BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho
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Hopefully this saga will finish soon.
Couple of years too late, but still the best choice post Fergie.
Couple of years too late, but still the best choice post Fergie.
At the very least, this is going to be interesting!
Who does he buy?
Who does he keep?
How does he line the team up?
Who will he fall out with?
The manchester derby is about to be 100x more crazy.
Who does he buy?
Who does he keep?
How does he line the team up?
Who will he fall out with?
The manchester derby is about to be 100x more crazy.
I think that would be a disaster.
That's assuming Giggs is even willing to play caretaker again. I'd turn it down if I were him; far more likely to go wrong.
How dyou figure? It's a gamble, certainly, but we have to gamble at this point if we we want to nick 4th place and stay in the Champions League this season. I cannot see us doing it with Van Gaal for the rest of the season, so might it not be worth throwing caution to the wind and taking the shackles off for the last few months?
How many titles and trophies have we won in those last 15 years with these squad players?
Cause United doesn't have the club footprint and style in their game for that to work like Barcelona or Chelsea? In the last couple of years we had 2 managers with completely opposing styles and now appointing a new one that has no style at all for couple of months and who hasn't got any experience even coaching the u21 squad will be better? I just can't see it.
Appointing Giggs would be a disaster. I expect him to beat Neville's record at Valencia in the league if that happened.
I think a large part of our troubles recently have been down to injuries and Giggs will be dealing with the same squad. If we can keep Carrick and get Bastian back to rotate him, I think we'll do enough in the remaining 13 games.
Aside from City away it's a pretty good fixture list. Arsenal and City are both struggling for form too.
Giggs is just a bad idea all round.
Thanks to SAF as shown in last 2.5 years, make it 3 because we won't win shit this year either and we're likely not to qualify for CL.
I agree with your insinuation, Brown, Fletcher, O'shea and Evans have been instumental in our titles.
Gotta love this philosophy.Less than a week after someone from our academy scored against Chelsea and is having a break through season.
It's a perfectly reasonable philosophy. If players from the youth set up get special treatment then you're accepting subs-standard, and the club will only go one way.
It's a balancing act. Players need to be given a chance but they also need to be good enough in the short to medium term to take the place of the player who has the shirt they want. At a club like United that's very difficult - as it is at most top clubs because the vast majority of those players won't be good enough to replace the players in front of them long term.
I reckon LVG has agreed to leave at the end of the season.
We have to move on with the times mate.
United is a big commercial machine and funds won't be an issue, you have to burn millions to be on top in todays game.
Sure upbringing youth and winning cups and titles with players from the academy is all nice and romantic, but surely if there's a better talent available(or even more developed at the current state) I can't see a reason why not buying him off and embedding him into the system.
Would you say no to Benzema/Ibrahimovic type of striker right now just to keep developing Wilson in the first team?
Well that would be a stupid thing to expect. Given Giggs has managed the first team to victories before and everyone keeps saying how bad our squad was back then.
Chelsea have a club footprint?? Did you watch pre and post-Mourinho Chelsea? It's not about style at this point; for all the talk of tactics and philosophy, football is ultimately played inside the players own heads. Removing Van Gaal might just relieve a lot of pressure, and allow them to just play without thinking to much. It might go horribly wrong, certainly, and perhaps 3 months is too long to leave a caretaker in, but from my memory we played with a great deal more swagger after we sacked Moyes. I don't see why we couldn't get the same effect again.
Really? Like 4 games in which he won 2 of them lost one and drew one? That's some experience. Why not appoint Phill Neville then? He has even greater experience and is class of 92 and all..
I was referring to Mourinho's first tenure and Grant after him. IMO they played very similar to what under Mourinho. The core players as well were there for a long long time.
As for United - 3 years, 2 managers, completely different style and squad overhaul, can't really see much relevance there.
I can't wait for us to go back to being a team of cnuts managed by a cnut in the good way instead of the very bad way.
I'm saying he's won games as caretaker before so why would his record be worse than Neville's this time? People say this squad is better after all. Hit me with your reasoning.
Where has he said that Giggs should be appointed on that experience only?
You said that you expected Giggs to do worse than Neville's record at Valencia which was rightfully pointed as bollocks by acnumber9
Me too.
I do wonder where we'd be right now if Jose came in straight after Fergie' retirement. Maybe it's best that he comes in now, as the storm is settled down and we actually have talented footballers at the club, unlike the squad filled with declined superstars and squad players only SAF could get something out of. Plus the added pressure of succeeding the greatest manager of all time.
Giggs had 4 games as interim with the championship all but over which he won 2. This time round it's a third of a season to go, our form is questionably the same as it was under Moyes tenure(at the end of it). I'm not sure both interim periods are comparable at this point. With LvG we won 4 out of 17 recently. Giggs was his assistant manager during that time, it's fair to say he shared some of the same ideas, now being an interim somehow will turn things round?
4 games is nothing really as interim. Neville also won games in the cups with Valencia. As said this time round there's 1/3 of the season left to be played, there will be even more pressure. Winning at home to Norwich and Hull that were 16th and relegated in the final standings? I'd say that's not very useful in this case.
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I agree. They way its all panned out is ideal for us to sign Mourinho. The only other manager worth approaching at this point is Pochettino. As it stands unless Pochettino is seriously interested I want us to sign Mourinho now.
Bottom line is if we hire him now we will finish top four. We don't have any such guarantees with LVG. Woodward needs to act now instead of hoping for a miracle.
Bottom line is if we hire him now we will finish top four. We don't have any such guarantees with LVG. Woodward needs to act now instead of hoping for a miracle.
He was after Griezmann and Stones last summer, but he only got Pedro and Djilobojdi.
I' m guessing he will try them both again this summer, considering we need players on their positions.
I agree. They way its all panned out is ideal for us to sign Mourinho. The only other manager worth approaching at this point is Pochettino. As it stands unless Pochettino is seriously interested I want us to sign Mourinho now.
Bottom line is if we hire him now we will finish top four. We don't have any such guarantees with LVG. Woodward needs to act now instead of hoping for a miracle.
Bottom line is if we hire him now we will finish top four. We don't have any such guarantees with LVG. Woodward needs to act now instead of hoping for a miracle.
*IF* this happens, I'm still saying if, I wonder if the truth regarding any approach when Fergie left will come out? The true story.
"Yes, I cried. I cried bitter tears as I placed pins in my David Moyes doll..."
"Yes, I cried. I cried bitter tears as I placed pins in my David Moyes doll..."
Giggsy must be on his way in the summer then if Rui Faria is also coming in. Would be interesting to see how well he does at another club.
I think Jose would have handled the declined superstars much better. Case in point is Terry's form in the championship season last year.
I want Jose in charge. But can he not bring Rui Faria along, I hate the sight of that guy.
I hope these new back page stories are true, would love to see Mourinho as our manager, even if it is a 3 year contract to start. I really believe he's the only man who can win us the Premier League title once again.
That being said I feel a bit sorry for LVG and all the stick he's been taking from the press. I hope he goes out on a high by winning us the Europa League or FA cup.
That being said I feel a bit sorry for LVG and all the stick he's been taking from the press. I hope he goes out on a high by winning us the Europa League or FA cup.
Good point. I'd say Evra might have also stayed if Jose came in. Vidic and Ferdinand did look done though, but perhaps Jose' system might have benefited them, just as it did Terry.
answer my question. How many titles and trophies have we won with so called squad ability players in the last 15 years.
He could've also brought in Ibrahimovic instead of Falcao, given their relationship.
The other positive notion is that if we divide Chelsea's season in two last year in the beginning they were free flowing team that scored a lot but also conceded some on the way. In the Spring - exactly the opposite and they went on that run to win the championship.
So far neither LvG, nor Moyes showed any flexibility when things are not going their way and the results are subpar.
Smugger than LvG's? That is some achievement.
That's extremely optimistic...
Answer my question. Interestingly a frenchman has been able to work out what I was insinuating.
But again, answer the actual question
Just thinking, wouldn't Giggs be a good choice to run the academy rebuild. Get Eric Harrison involved in an advisory capacity.
Mr Durst?
Jose could have had us challenging for title in 2013-14 I believe. He could have attracted more and better players than Fellaini as well to strengthen the squad.
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