BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho
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Yep. His first Chelsea side blew everyone else away. Robben, Duff, Joe Cole, Lampard....They came to Old Trafford, attacked and absolutely wiped the floor with us
Yeah I remember his first Chelsea team playing good football and scoring lots of goals. Won 4-2 against Barcelona at Stamford bridge in a really good game. Also a period of them just hammering everyone during Christmas
Biggest myth going that his teams are boring. That 04-07 Chelsea team were exceptional
...and the manager was...?
His 2010 Chelsea team? What?
Keep reading
He was not the manager.
Do you not think he now knows this after being pulled on it already?
This has been corrected like 2 posts below the one you quoted
You didn't keep reading did you?
Nope. Haven't read the thread. All I am seeing is "His 2010 Chelsea team"
Jose is clearly not an attacking manager but he is not as conservative as Van Gaal. He is only in the big games which is fine with me.
The edited post was not showing up for me. Many people seem to think that Jose was manager in 2010 when he wasn't. His Madrid team had a similar record although they did have Ronaldo. Despite all that his Chelsea teams did not have any problems scoring goals.
This really reminds me last summer when Schneiderlin was the muppet dream and reporter after reporter claimed that Arsenal are going to beat us to him. Especially after we announced Schweini. I remember @Sam being extremely moany about the whole thing before that weekend before the tour happened.
It's hard to remember Sam not being moany, TBH.
Yeah this reminds me of Schneiderlin. So much smoke and then when it goes quiet people start to doubt and the odd clueless journo even throwns in a constrasting story.
When, the only reason it went quiet was because outlets like the BBC aren't just going to keep spouting the same thing over and over to prevent muppet doubts (even then Di Marzio has done just that). Be patient.
When, the only reason it went quiet was because outlets like the BBC aren't just going to keep spouting the same thing over and over to prevent muppet doubts (even then Di Marzio has done just that). Be patient.
Yes of course. But we are not getting the results are we?
We are getting a 4th place challenge every season, 1 goal per game, boring football and a manager who openly admits that this is his target.
And for those who say Mourinho will be similar to LVG: last season, Chelsea won the league title (something that LVG cannot do) and scored 73 goals (we have scored 44).
Some people want results. Some want entertainment. Some want both. Right now, we have neither.
We dont have great results, but FA cup final and chance of CL isnt end of the world is it.
You're right I actually meant the 2014 table, not 2015.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013–14_Premier_League
but ya, always #1-3 in goals scored.
The very definition of lowering standards. First step on the slippery road down once we start settling for a "chance at the Champions League while being ok with not great results". Spare me the bullshit.
how is it lowering standards? You do know how the real world works right? People think Guardiola/Jose means instant trophies. Thats not how life works. Fergie is irreplaceable the sooner people understand that the better. Has LVG made a lot of mistakes? Yes. But taking over the mess Moyes left wasnt going to be easy. So its not lowering standards its being realistic. But whatever makes you sleep at night dreaming of Jose.
All the good manager plays like a machine. A rigged winning machine.
It's much better than whatever horny once a month machine lvg is
Here is being realistic: I don't expect Jose to win instant trophies. Not with the shite that's been clouding this club with Giggs and Louis. What I do expect and realistically can hope for is Jose imprinting his winner's attitude on the team. Jose isn't one to think "we are doing great if we are in top 4 and have a chance at the Champions League". It's win or broke. Like Fergie. This will get us back to being serious challengers and putting the fear factor back on our side.
Here is lowering expectations: It's ok that we have a shot at making CL and are in the FA Cup final although we have some disgraceful and shocking problems on the pitch and a season of crap performances and results.
Unacceptable. Not after the amount of money he's spent. Not for a club that is champion pedigree and aims to win a title. Not when you look at teams like West Ham, Leicester and Spurs who have managers who started the same time as Louis and didn't have a grace period for transition.
100% correct.
Arsenal, Chelsea, City. Just as shite. LVGs fault too?
LVG's football is conservative. It doesn't matter whether it's away to City or home to Norwich. The team is set up to keep the ball, wear down the opposition, score a goal and then defend the lead.
Mourinho's football is not at all conservative, it's pragmatic and adaptive. Where the opponents are inferior the aim is to destroy them in both the football played and the scoreline. Where the opponents are equal or superior, the aim is to frustrate them, play against their weaknesses and maximise the points taken.
SAF's approach was identical to Mourinho's, especially the latter years.
Mourinho's football is not at all conservative, it's pragmatic and adaptive. Where the opponents are inferior the aim is to destroy them in both the football played and the scoreline. Where the opponents are equal or superior, the aim is to frustrate them, play against their weaknesses and maximise the points taken.
SAF's approach was identical to Mourinho's, especially the latter years.
How many players played for both Jose and SAF?
Jose had a big argument with CR7. He wanted him to track back more.
SAF told CR7 to just concentrate on attack.
You're talking as if that is a horrible thing to say for a manager.
Yeah I remember his first Chelsea team playing good football and scoring lots of goals. Won 4-2 against Barcelona at Stamford bridge in a really good game. Also a period of them just hammering everyone during Christmas
Big Sam
A torn in the side of Wenger and MouHe didn't have Rooney and Tevez to take all the burden off of Ronaldo. Not forgetting Fletcher, Hargreaves and Park.
Chelsea had Jose shifted for it, something most people accepted even after winning them the league again last season. City would have had Pellegrini shifted finishing 4th or 5th if they didn't already lined up Pep. Arsenal, yes we are becoming Arsenal. That is lowering expectations.
I kind of assumed you'd see the difference. That's what I was getting at. Do you see that?
To be fair, and going on a tangent - Mourinho's spell at Madrid coincided with a return to greater emphasis on team ethic, rather than individualism in the highest level of football - with Barcelona's high pressing possession tactics (starting with Messi upfront - and running through the spine and out wide), Dortmund's brand of gegenpressing that dismantled Madrid, and arguably the most dominant side of the three year window, Bayern Munich.
eg. One of the biggest differences between Bayern in the 2011/ 2012 season (where they lost the European Cup final at home) and 2012/ 2013 (where they won the Big Ears) was the transformation of the likes of Robben and Ribéry from rather egoistical, at times frustrating individuals to gritty 'parts of the whole' - especially in terms of recovering lost balls, being more assertive in 50/50 situations, pressing up front, filling voids, counterpressing in wider areas, and supporting Lahm/ Alaba in the defensive game.
José demanded greater workrate from not just Cristiano, but Özil in the #10 position aswell - to supplement Benzema up front. And one might argue that Madrid would have had a greater chance to win the European Cup if the players (specifically Ronaldo and Özil) were more willing to chip in with the defensive work instead of being all woe is me, and concertrating on just the attacking game. Their left flank in particular - with Cristiano and Marcelo, was almost suicidal at times, and those details can cost you in the big moments. Fergie allowed greater freedom to Ronaldo because we had Tevez and Rooney to provide graft in the final third, as well as the likes of Fletcher, Park, and Hargreaves - who were like duracell bunnies in midfield and provided great tactical flexibility to a team.
Except that paying LVG for a year would be nothing if we keep missing CL spots and wasting more money for the squad which will lead us nowhere. That in turn damages our brand and reputation massively to pull more sponsors or players to go back to being good.
All these narratives with boards are content with being shit while all they want is money makes no sense. They won't get money for long if the team is shit.
The payout is 5m. Its chump change for us. Its definitely not the money.
It is not just the money, it is the logistics of a sacking and the position not being complete untenable (players have appeared to not be switched off from him, hasn't started acting like a prick and burning bridges and relationships). Similar to continuing on with a bleeding leg wound rather than losing your whole leg. Continue on and get to the aid station (end of the season) or drop to the floor and bleed out completely.
I agree DEC was the time to sack him, but that it is not a decision to be made lightly in any case with proper cause.
And I don't understand why you cite them at all. Who cares who else has become shite. The only thing we need to be concerned with is ourselves. And we have let ourselves start to become like Arsenal if we start saying "a chance at 4th and the CL is not so bad". What we need to do is ensure that the win-all-or-nothing mentality is back, as it was in Fergie's time. Jose has that mentality.
If you were teaching a class of students would you tell them that getting a 60% was "not so bad" if all the rest of the classes were scoring the same if you knew they could do better? Absolute not.
So, because we didn't win the league, we shouldn't bother with 4th because it's beneath our dignity?
We didn't set out this season aiming for 4th but we are where we are and we should aim for the highest finish we can achieve. Now that it's 4th, we should be putting all our effort into achieving that rather than sitting around moaning it's not good enough.
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