Anyone who thinks O'Neill and Keane are the answer to our prayers really should slow down before they click post reply. I like them both but this is Manchester United.. we have suffered enough from appointing incompetent managers.
BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho
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Anyone who thinks O'Neill and Keane are the answer to our prayers really should slow down before they click post reply. I like them both but this is Manchester United.. we have suffered enough from appointing incompetent managers.
I think his Chelsea side also still hold or held the record for most goals scored in the epl - without Ronaldo isn't it?
He's definitely not everyone's cup of tea. Hell, after that eye poke I sort of "wrote him off". I'm not a big fan of his persona, but football wise & to arrest our regression and challenge the others again, I wouldn't be against him coming in.
There are a lot of reasons to dislike mourinho - but saying he's a defensive coach isn't one of them. His sides usually brush 90% of their opponents aside. It's the other 10% where he usually goes ultra defensive, for various reasons.
Ancellotti?
That's precisely what I mean Red. The fact that they haven't made a decision IS incompetence.
Definitely so.
Each season he's won the league with Chelsea (Mourinho) here in England he's had them #2 out of 20 teams in goals scored, with a usual goal difference of +40, the exception to this rule seems to be 2015 when both Liverpool and City scored over 100, with Mourinho's Chelsea being #3 in goals scored behind them.
Compare that to LvG (44 goals, GD +13) who has us competing with the likes of 16th placed Bournemouth's 43, and 17th placed Sunderand's 44, it's a bit of a stretch to simply lump LVG & Mourinho together. Lets not bother to compare his time at Real either.
I haven't checked this, but are you saying he guided them to champions but never as top goal scorers?
Any title winning formation is a good formation
How can a defensive coach bags 100 teams goals?
How can a defensive coach bags 100 teams goals?
I am saying the teams he's managed have always been between #1st-3rd in their respective leagues for goals scored in every season he's started and finished.
Van Gaal has us tied for 10th/11th competing with the likes of Swansea, Bournemouth and Sunderland for goals scored.
I'm not going to proclaim Mourinho plays attacking football, he's safety first particuarly in big games, but his teams have ALWAYS scored plenty of goals.
Man United to wait on Mourinho decision
Jose Mourinho has been asked to wait until the end of the current Premier League season for the long-expected formal talks with Manchester United over succeeding Louis van Gaal as manager. Though Mourinho has been informed that he is top of the club's list of potential appointments, he remains without a contract or an offer of employment.
United have been in contact with Mourinho's representatives since shortly after the Portuguese's December exit as Chelsea manager. They have not, however, communicated any clear intention to dispense with Van Gaal's services, leaving Mourinho to reject approaches from a number of overseas suitors as he awaits the board's decision on the underperforming Dutchman.
In an effort to secure Mourinho in the longer term, United's executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward floated a proposal in which the Portuguese would take over from Van Gaal in 2017, at the end of the incumbent's three-year contract. Mourinho, who wants to return to football as early as possible, dismissed the idea.
It is understood that United's hierarchy remains split on the way forward, the nine-man PLC board electing to wait until the end of a second underwhelming and divisive campaign under Van Gaal before acting. Carlo Ancelotti, Pep Guardiola and Mauricio Pochettino have all been considered as alternative appointments, but all are now committed to new contracts elsewhere.
United won 1-0 at relegation-threatened Norwich City on Saturday in Van Gaal's 100th match as manager, pushing his squad to within a point of a Champions League playoff place. Club officials have repeatedly underlined the importance for Van Gaal's future of qualifying for European football's premier club competition, and the 64-year-old has also gained capital by reaching the FA Cup Final.
Ahead of the Norwich match, Van Gaal stated that the importance of avoiding defeat in the club's remaining competitive fixtures. “I cannot afford it and Manchester United cannot afford it,' he said. “But in sport you can win and lose. It's hard to accept, but it is the truth.”
Though Mourinho is confident that his choice to reject a mid-season offer from Real Madrid in the hope of securing his preferred vacancy in the Premier League will ultimately be rewarded, he is also aware of significant opposition to his appointment. Whether the serial trophy winner will accept any eventual offer from United will depend on the degree of control and support the Old Trafford hierarchy are ready to present to him.
Woodward's failed attempt to secure Mourinho for 2017 is a clear indicator that United's embattled chief executive has moved away from the club's stated plan of promoting Van Gaal's assistant Ryan Giggs into the manager's seat next year. In common with many of United's playing staff, Giggs has struggled with the Dutchman's methods and is said to be considering whether his managerial career would be better served by leaving the club he has been a part of for almost 29 years.
Jose Mourinho has been asked to wait until the end of the current Premier League season for the long-expected formal talks with Manchester United over succeeding Louis van Gaal as manager. Though Mourinho has been informed that he is top of the club's list of potential appointments, he remains without a contract or an offer of employment.
United have been in contact with Mourinho's representatives since shortly after the Portuguese's December exit as Chelsea manager. They have not, however, communicated any clear intention to dispense with Van Gaal's services, leaving Mourinho to reject approaches from a number of overseas suitors as he awaits the board's decision on the underperforming Dutchman.
In an effort to secure Mourinho in the longer term, United's executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward floated a proposal in which the Portuguese would take over from Van Gaal in 2017, at the end of the incumbent's three-year contract. Mourinho, who wants to return to football as early as possible, dismissed the idea.
It is understood that United's hierarchy remains split on the way forward, the nine-man PLC board electing to wait until the end of a second underwhelming and divisive campaign under Van Gaal before acting. Carlo Ancelotti, Pep Guardiola and Mauricio Pochettino have all been considered as alternative appointments, but all are now committed to new contracts elsewhere.
United won 1-0 at relegation-threatened Norwich City on Saturday in Van Gaal's 100th match as manager, pushing his squad to within a point of a Champions League playoff place. Club officials have repeatedly underlined the importance for Van Gaal's future of qualifying for European football's premier club competition, and the 64-year-old has also gained capital by reaching the FA Cup Final.
Ahead of the Norwich match, Van Gaal stated that the importance of avoiding defeat in the club's remaining competitive fixtures. “I cannot afford it and Manchester United cannot afford it,' he said. “But in sport you can win and lose. It's hard to accept, but it is the truth.”
Though Mourinho is confident that his choice to reject a mid-season offer from Real Madrid in the hope of securing his preferred vacancy in the Premier League will ultimately be rewarded, he is also aware of significant opposition to his appointment. Whether the serial trophy winner will accept any eventual offer from United will depend on the degree of control and support the Old Trafford hierarchy are ready to present to him.
Woodward's failed attempt to secure Mourinho for 2017 is a clear indicator that United's embattled chief executive has moved away from the club's stated plan of promoting Van Gaal's assistant Ryan Giggs into the manager's seat next year. In common with many of United's playing staff, Giggs has struggled with the Dutchman's methods and is said to be considering whether his managerial career would be better served by leaving the club he has been a part of for almost 29 years.
So how is it supposed to be longer term from 2017 as opposed to this summer? What am I missing?
How do you know we haven't made a decision? The club have made no comment and the press are reporting every variation of this story.
Facts are nobody on here knows what decisions have or haven't been made.
I fully expect Mourinho to be United manager next season.
Going in to a new season coupled with Jose Mourinho and Champions League football could be the starting point of a successful era for the club.
Woodward is such a spineless tool.
I've seen this posted repeatedly over the last few weeks and it's very confusing. How is Woodward not sacking a manager the media, fans and in all likelihood some senior players wanted out spineless exactly? It seemed like the whole pissing world wanted Mourinho in December. The BBC were doing multiple specials on our demise every fecking week. Yet since January, despite having a huge injury list for much of it, we've managed to crawl ourselves back into the Champions League race, got to a cup final and seen the emergence of Rashford, Mensah, Borthwick-Jackson and Lingard.
The board clearly felt LVG had more chance of getting top four than a new manager coming in to a squad they didn't know, low on confidence and riddled by injuries, and it looks like they could well be proved right. Despite all this we still have the tedious moaners bleating on about how everyone at the club is incompetent for not publicly announcing Mourinho and undermining our current manager and ruining the rest of our season in the exact same way our fecking rivals up the road have done.
Mourinho coming into a club with CL football off the back of an FA Cup win having had months to prepare for the job with targets identified and creating the buzz his appointment will bring is a much better environment than what he'd have been greeted with in December, and if that does happen then the board deserve immense credit for not kowtowing to the masses and the immense pressure the the media put on them. We're three games away from this happening. If it does then we're in fantastic shape to push on, something you wouldn't think reading these forums.
What's suggested in the article above makes no sense. If there's a master plan at work which involves Giggs taking over once LVG's “foundation” work is done – well, fair enough: Crazy scheme, most would say, but at least it would be logical enough, given such a scheme, to let LVG see his contract out.
But keeping him for a final season in order to hire Mourinho – who actually wants the job here and now – would be plain lunacy.
But keeping him for a final season in order to hire Mourinho – who actually wants the job here and now – would be plain lunacy.
If we keep LVG and not appoint Mourinho then you might aswell write off next season as a whole, we are only going to go backwards
That December/January run had nothing to do with injuries. Also Van Gaal was the guy who stuck with Jones. He got rid of Evans, Rafael and Hernandez. He made the squad smaller despite us having more fixtures this year.
44 goals in 36 games is embarrassing.
44 goals in 36 games is embarrassing.
Mentally preparing for it now, can't see this board sacking him when we scrape past City into 4th and win the FA cup.
Asking Mourinho to wait until 2017 so that LvG can have another year and he can save face in not sacking him is the very definition of a chickenshit more concerned with themselves than the club. Had we gotten rid of LvG in December we might well have gotten a huge boost from not having players diminished under his shitty ideas and we could have even challenged, instead we have limped along and are still in with a chance of scraping top 4 not because of LvG but in spite of him as City have botched chance after chance to shake us off, that's pure luck reliant on the failures of others, not successful work on our part.
I think a win on Tuesday puts us behind only Leicester in the form table post January, all this whilst getting to a cup final and fielding multiple youngsters Mourinho would never have done. I disliked LVG before it was hip, I was completely against his appointment and was lamented on here because of it, but keeping him for the remainder of the season was the right thing to do.
As for the 2017 story, it's obvious the club are trying to be seen as doing things the right way and wait until the end of the season before 'officially' beginning talks. You have the biggest manager on the planet unemployed since November and not seriously being linked with any other clubs except ourselves. When he is linked with another club it gets denied. When another manager gets linked to us, it's denied. Neither ourselves or Mourinho have denied him coming to us though. He's coming. Quite why people are having panic attacks about it is a mystery.
I think if Jose had taken over in January we'd be talking about more than top 4 going into next Sunday. LvG has fluked his way to this point through the failures of others and the exuberance of kids he played not through great awareness but because he gutted the squad.
I wish I had your confidence but after Moyes and then LvG I don't have any faith in the United board to remove LvG if he scrapes top 4 and gets the cup.
Agree the article seemed a bit all over the place. If there's no decision and such uncertainty with whether or not he'll be appointed, then why say in the article that Mourinho's confident? That makes no sense to me. How can that uncertainty make someone feel confident?
Especially someone who wants to get back to work by June? How many more options will be there for him by the time United take their sweet time to make up their minds. Nothing makes sense..See this is sensible and yes the board would be doing the right thing here. I just think a lot of fans, myself included, don't have any confidence in the board.
Don't know what table you've been looking at, but last year Mourinho's Chelsea finished #2 in goals scored with 73, behind City on 83. Liverpool had 52.
I didn't a few months back but the profile of the players we're linked to, the stories about 40 new scouts and a DOF and the academy signings/revamping make me think we're getting our act together. I'm conflicted on Mourinho, but I do think a change needs to be made and as Pochetino is staying he'll have to do. Let's hope he's not finished and is still as motivated to prove people wrong as he was when he first came to England.
I wish I had your confidence....... the only thing is that the season ticket sales etc are not going well; I'm sure the club knows what's being said on social media; plus the Adidas CEO was critical of our boring play - I just can't see the United executives ignoring all of that even if they want to keep VG.
And yes I share some concerns on Mourinho, but he's the one available and I honestly think he will at least be motivated to prove people wrong.
I like LVG as a person, but I feel he's done as much as he's capable of with us, and to go into next season with him is just not logical.
Top 4 and a FA Cup would be a beautiful send off for LvG.
It would as long as he's being 'sent off'
I don't but it would not surprise me one bit. To be fair to you, I am losing it a little.
I can't take no more of this shite under Louis.2 weeks to go
OK. I think it's interesting that the 3 times Jose has won the league he never finished with most goals scored but always had fewest goals against. He's primarily defensive-minded - as you would expect of a LVG protege.
But he usually finishes with the 2nd or 3rd highest goals scored, he doesn't win 1-0 every game.
His 2010 Chelsea team scored 103 goals on route to winning the league. Too defensive my hairy sack.
*error already been pointed out before any other late comers jump on*
If van Gaal cannot win 3 matches in a row against such average teams, he is bloody useless.
Mourinho was winning the treble with Inter in 2010. It was Ancellotti at Chelsea then.
He did break the Spanish goal scoring league record at Real Madrid though. Scored more than Barca in each season I think
Ffs, of course he was, still though the myth of Jose being too defensive is bullshit all the same.
You might want to check that (never mind your hairy sack).
Mourinho is not defensive. His teams play like a machine. Not much joy to watching them. A bit like watching Germany. Efficient.
No romance and swagger.
No romance and swagger.
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