Do you think so? Then why not appoint the man they contacted in December or so? Do you think it is to do with Giggs?
The rumblings are Giggs will leave end of this season.
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Do you think so? Then why not appoint the man they contacted in December or so? Do you think it is to do with Giggs?
The rumblings are Giggs will leave end of this season.
I think that they like Van gaal and would like to see him stay. And for that reason they are going to give him as many opportunities as they can.
Good grief. must be his manerisms then. Cause he has no clue about what Manchester United is all about...and it would seem neither neither does the board.
I don't think they wanted to appoint mourinho so soon after a humongous failure at Chelsea. Plus there may be a possibility of mou himself choosing to take over afresh in the summer so that he can start from scratch instead of having to do salvage job
It's only my opinion, on why they didn't sacked him in December. It's perfectly possible that since then they decided to go with Mourinho next season
think Jose's character would have been a big part of why he was not appointed after Fergie and those same concerns still do exist.
My gut feel is this may have something to do with Giggs being the eventual manager..after Mourinho, but Mourinho may not want Giggs as his No. 2.
I really don't want Jose here. He learnt his trade under LVG. He is defensive. His teams are boring. Sound familiar? He crashed and burned with Chelsea this season in the most spectacular way. Isn't that a bit of a concern??!!
He crashed after getting them several doubles and 3 league title.
We crashed with 4th and 5th and 7th
Do you honestly think we'll win anythinf with giggs? Poch is a bottler considering he's up against leicester and had several chances to go past them but he lost/draw
To be honest, I think anyone suggesting Giggs as Manchester United manager now is absolutely stupid. I want O'Neill and Keane.
Ed is not stupid but he is not experienced in running a football club especially like United. But the problem is that whilst the Glazers rate him, you are right that he is still a puppet so if the Glazers want to save that 5 m and think 4th is good enough, there is nothing we can do except have to support the club through another traumatic year again. Not looking forward to it.
Interesting membership is auto-renew unless you tell them.
I dont think 5m is the issue here. Wr lost more than that on adm alone, and memphis is 25m down the drain.
But that seems to be the plan with LVG staying for another year from influential figures at the club by rumors.
I'd be interested to know what you and others think is the issue. To me, it's clear that Glazers are happy if we are Arsenal (i.e. get 4th every year, go to last 16 or 8 in the CL and get the odd cup here and there).
Like I said, all this we hate the way we play bullshit a lot of people go on and on and on about is just that. If we were on top of the league and in the CL semis this would just be a grumble.
Rumor is the big plan all along was having LVG build foundation for Giggs taking over. Therefore top 4 is bare minimum.
I respect those who want Giggs to succeed as the next manager. It seems the board and others within the club also have seen something of him to suggest he has what it takes. Did he have something to do with Martial coming to us?
I for one think he needs experinece elswhere.
For now we need tried and tested at the top. Mourinho is the best.
I for one think he needs experinece elswhere.
For now we need tried and tested at the top. Mourinho is the best.
So the plan is to create a squad that plays VG ball which routinely comes in 4th and no higher. Then have Giggs come in and miraculously we step it up?
That doesn't hold ground. The glazers has been generous in money department, compared to hicks and gillet that is scrooge.
250m for an honest businessman is no small joke,, they're not oil sheiks. They could have spent less and pocket the money but they dont, dont they?
I really believe they too want united succesful and winning trophies.. And they have done the best any ceo or owner can possibly do without a hindsight.
Tbf to them nobody expected lvg to be this bad
Picking Moyes and O'Neill over Mourinho would be pretty amazing
We outsiders don't know all the detail. Just rumor. And top 4 is bare minimum for LVG to keep the job in case you mistook my previous post. I am not Pro- unproven Giggs. Just answer your question with the rumor that makes most sense why LVG can survive all this time.
I don't know. You make some good points but whilst we are looking at a 250m (gross spend note though) or 1xxm (net spend plus vast trimming on the salaries too) transfer outlay over 2 years, this is in the context of a 1 billion (and rising) business asset. Of course they do want success and trophies but all evidence available to the fans seem to indicate that it's good enough if VG gets 4th this year. Maybe you are right they didn't expect VG to be this bad. My point though is that they is really nothing which shows next year will be better and, again my view, is that if we have another shi* show of a year next year we will lose fans and sponsor support. So if the Glazers do not make a move, when a clear upgrade in Maureen is available, that will tell us alot.
Do you think Abramovich was perhaps a little disappointed with his choice after winning the title last season? I wonder what his advice to the Glazers would be about taking Jose on?
Maybe you are right mate. But I didn't mean to snap at you, it's just that I'm frustrated like the majority of folks here. I don't dislike VG as a person but want him to go so desperately.
I do, as it happens, believe we'd be doing better now had we stuck by Moyes. We'd have wasted a lot less money for sure. I'm not suggesting we bring him back though. Besides, you're implying that Moyes and O'Neill are similar. They're really not. Do some research.Picking Moyes and O'Neill over Mourinho would be pretty amazing
When compared to Mourinho they are
Do you not think it a tad unfair to use a sample of 6 months of a coaches career, to judge him versus an entire decade + being available?
I'm not pro-Mou, though I'd prefer to see him in over LvG (there's a serious lack of viable candidates available IMO). I'm literally just curious. Because I've heard this brought up against mourinho quite a bit on here.
No chance. Moyes was abysmal, and he had a team of champions.
No. They are both, perhaps, more attack-oriented than LVG and his protege Jose. That's about as far as it goes. They've both had very different experiences, employ very different tactics and have had very different levels of success. There is no really valid way to say Moyes and O'Neill are similar. You can, however, say LVG and Jose are very similar indeed. They are both defensive, for a start. I don't understand how the Caf can have, as their main gripe with LVG, the fact that he stifles creativity and is boringly defensive and yet clamour for Jose to take over. But then... I don't think most football fans are particularly intelligent.
Me? Personally I believe it's a combination of two things:
1. Jose's losing interest in chelsea, knowing that it's not or never to manage United
2. The players not being arsed
It's like Jose's asking to be sacked, he couldn't have ask to quit to a russian mob can't he?
I really don't think he could possibly be that bad by himself, it's 10 years of top football vs. 1 year of slump.
It's not unfair at all. It's extremely relevant, being the latest thing on his CV.
O'Neill and Moyes are both mediocre managers though. We shouldn't be hiring that caliber of manager
OK. That's your opinion and you're welcome to it. I and many other would differ - SAF among them.
Fergie picked Moyes!
Most premier league goals from a team in the league. Who managed that side?
Defensive my arse and you have to cheek to call others unintelligent. Dummy
I'm not going to revisit the Moyes thing again. Just to say... ANYONE would have failed taking over from SAF. ANYONE.
I think Jose has or had the la liga record with his Madrid side as well!
But yeah, because he shuts up shop in a few big games - like SAF did as well, some would peddle this myth like its fact. & still call the rest stupid.
I'm not alone. If you look you will find one or two (possibly more) others calling his management style defensive.
He had Ronaldo. He had arguments with Ronaldo, wanting him to be more defensive. SAF, on the other hand, told Ronaldo to concentrate purely on attack.
I think Jose has or had the la liga record with his Madrid side as well!
But yeah, because he shuts up shop in a few big games - like SAF did as well, some would peddle this myth like its fact. & still call the rest stupid.
Moyes wasn't a failure he was a disaster. I think should the next manager to come post SAF finished in the top four, managed to address the squad needs and looked like he knows what he was doing I'm sure he would have been given a chance.
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