I guess I always make it clear on this topic that it is just my opinion. There's too much definitive talk in this thread.
BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho
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I guess I always make it clear on this topic that it is just my opinion. There's too much definitive talk in this thread.
I am going to keep my mouth shut for a while, since I do understand that the cocky and over excited me was plain stupid. I still believe Mourinho will be our new manager. I got some information that I believe is genuine and I got super excited to say the least. I want to stress that this is not wum and I will tell you guys what I was told later.
I will get my coat now
I will get my coat now
Telling us where the information came from would be a start.
In this article : http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...before-making-old-trafford-move-a7011141.html
What do you think is meant by "Mourinho wants assurances about the stability at the top of the club. The self-styled Special One wants to be sure the structure is already in place for him to succeed at Old Trafford"?
What do you think is meant by "Mourinho wants assurances about the stability at the top of the club. The self-styled Special One wants to be sure the structure is already in place for him to succeed at Old Trafford"?
I think at Chelsea he had problems with Emanolo. Emanolo apparently offered to resign when Mourinho got the job
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The following year, when Andre Villas-Boas replaced Ancelotti, Emenalo moved into the technical director role he has held ever since. In that job he has overseen transfers and largely built the current Chelsea squad.
Of course, his record is mixed. Mourinho was less than impressed with this summer’s activity, leading him to feel that it was difficult for him to succeed in the current structure of the club. Chelsea signed Baba Rahman and Papy Djilobodji, but failed to do a deal for John Stones.
This Chelsea squad is largely of Emenalo’s construction, which is why it should be no surprise that he unequivocally sided with the players over Mourinho on Thursday night. He is the only former player in a senior position at the club and that instinctive link with the squad is important."
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...s-power-grew-at-stamford-bridge-a6779371.html
But how does that relate to Utd? We don't have a "sporting director" or the like, there's nobody (in a football sense) overseeing the manager.
Maybe we have people at the club persuading the manager to sign a player for business reasons rather than footballing. Shirt sales etc.
Some of Abramovich's inner circle appointments are just ludicrous.
Well apparently we have two members of the board who don't want him at club and want giggs. Could be worried about interference.
Maybe he wants someone with more experience in signing players than Woodward so bring in Andrea Berta as sporting director etc
Yes, a definite possibility.
All speculation of course but I would suspect he wants someone he trusts in as a DoF - that may or may not be Berta. I would also hazard a guess that he wants assurances on SAFs involvement.
Not sure what you mean by “pragmatic” but I'm not giving some sort of general benefit of the doubt to anyone who makes ITK claims on here – that's not what this is about. I just happen to believe this particular bloke is honest as such – based on my dealings with him on here. Could he be lying? Sure he could. It would be extremely naïve to deny the possibility. But I don't think he is.
Yes.
Conversely though, me being suspicious, he could be preparing the ground for if we keep Van Gaal - he'll claim he turned us down because everything wasn't in place for him to succeed.
That could be true but I think its more to do with Jose's image of being in control - "they want me, not me wanting them" type idea. Ego's everywhere.
Well you insinuated that it was merely his opinion when it's abundantly clear (and a running joke now) that he seems to think he has some sort of inside information which he has freely admitted. He has posted numerous times in here that Mourinho is unequivocally coming here; that's not opinion, that's claiming to have some sort of inside information, which he most likely (99% sure) doesn't have. If you are going to make these sort of claims on a daily basis without anything to support your unsubstantiated claims, then expect to be eventually called out on it.
For what it's worth, he seems like an ok chap and I don't think he's a WUM as-such; I just fail to see how he hopes to benefit from all of this.
Plus he knows he'll need allies, people beholden only to him, if he gets the job...not the most optimistic of beginnings even if he does get it.
Woodie has been very good at getting obtainable targets the last few seasons. Jose will already have a list of must haves & I'd wager all of them won't be the likes of Muller or Bale. They will be players to play the role he wants from them & may well not be superstars.
I think all the top managers want to exert control - Ferguson done it for years so its not surprising. Guardiola is (apparently) off the chart and wants to micro manage everything.
True but José knows that he's not unanimously wanted at United; this would be poor ground for even accepting the job.
I think this case is very well publicised, however, is any manager ever a unanimous candidate? Not everyone was convinced of Ferguson, not everyone was convinced by LVG and certainly not Moyes. Game of opinions and all that. I'm not so certain its a bad thing but I get the point you're making.
He wants control and given the shitfest that's been served for the last few years I can't blame him.
Huh? Then I must have expressed myself poorly. What you say there is obvious and has been obvious from the very beginning - I've never said otherwise.
What I said was that I don't think he's a liar or a WUM. By that I don't mean that he's just an honest Joe offering his opinion - obviously not. He's an honest Joe who believes in a particular ITK story - that's my meaning.
The alternative is that he's an attention seeker who's just made up some bollix to play the ITK card - which is what several people in this thread are more or less directly accusing him of - but I personally don't think that is the case. Which I have now made clear, hopefully.
Fair enough, maybe I misinterpreted what you were saying. I just got the impression that you were saying it is merely his opinion which it clearly isn't as he has attempted on several occasions to claim the information that he has, makes Mourinho to United a 100% certainty. That's not opinion anymore, that's clearly an attempt at being ITK on the matter and quite frankly, I found it tedious.
People are only after recently calling him out on his claims as I guess they are getting bored of it too. I mean, if you have a source (I really doubt he has), just say it or else stop posting the same line every single day; i.e. "Mourinho is definitely coming". To be fair to the guy, he has just posted that he has come across too cocky on the matter, which most likely started to rub people up the wrong way.
Anyhow, I still don't get why he went all in on this one as the benefits for him are zero, zilch and he has more chance of looking like a fool than being hailed as some prophet (you actually alluded to this in an earlier post).
Precisely - but to me this is an indication he is sincere: He's been a member here for many years, and has much more to lose from this - reputation wise - than the other way around.
Anyway, as a general point it's clear that he shouldn't have banged on about it without providing any evidence - and people were rightly annoyed at this, which he has now admitted himself.
As for whether he has a source or not, I'm sure he'll comment on that himself when the time is right. There may be valid reasons for not going into details about the exact nature of such a thing - but, again, if you can't or won't do that, you shouldn't be posting about it at all.
Yeah agree with all of this really.
So if I'm understanding that article correctly, the boardroom is still 'divided' on Mourinho. He now wants assurances (quite right too) on our structure i.e. who's likely to be involved in his business. Then mention of Giggs/Neville - is this the hold up? Are we trying to force another manager to take on one of the class of 92?
If Woodward and Glazers plus Arnold are the ones making the decision, why don't they just go ahead with who they want instead of trying to massage everyone's ego? Just do the right thing for the club. I don't get this at all. Have Woody and Co got no balls or what?
The whole thing is a farce. Quite frankly, if they are fecking about like this and I were Mourinho, I would tell them to kiss my ass live on SkY
If Woodward and Glazers plus Arnold are the ones making the decision, why don't they just go ahead with who they want instead of trying to massage everyone's ego? Just do the right thing for the club. I don't get this at all. Have Woody and Co got no balls or what?
The whole thing is a farce. Quite frankly, if they are fecking about like this and I were Mourinho, I would tell them to kiss my ass live on SkY
I only see his post once some one ask or quote him to give his opinion, other than that he become complete silence about this topic.
So I can't blame him for positing this, he is not back-tracking his claim.
Now I think its up to us to believe it or not, but he has done good thing as keeping as low as possible in this topic.
As per his motive I don't know, May be he got Supper excited from his friend's news and want to share then realize he can't give source or may be just another WUM, but personally I also don't think he is WUM and also look like not following this topic,
If Mourinho became our Manager I do like to heard his side of story also. I do think he should share as well.
He has over 100 posts in this thread and has said on numerous occasions that "Mourinho is coming to United" which is pretty definitive. He has claimed to have a source on numerous occasions but never actually revealed anything more.
Anyhow, I think he has been discussed enough at this point. He said he will post more when Mourinho is revealed so lets see how all of this plays out.
TBF whether you believe him or not (probably better not to believe ITKs on the internet) he did say he would reveal the information about the source when its announced from the get go.
In reality, no explanation will satisfy people on here. He could have a direct line to Ed Woodward and people will just call bollocks on it anyway. I think plenty of people know people in the media with good contacts that say Mourinho is on his way. Whether that's inside info or just spreading stories with a particular goal in mind probably won't be entirely clear until later on.
Aye, but it's probably best not to post "Mourinho is coming" on a near daily basis while saying you have a source, if you aren't willing to offer up any further information. It was only a matter of time before people started to get irritated by the same posts over and over again without anything further being added.
That's what the papers have been claiming since December. It can't be literally true, unless there's a divide between Woody and the owners (or Arnold and Woody - or whatever). None of the people thought to be anti-Maureen are on the board.
What they refer to is almost certainly the old "fact" that Charlton and Fergie don't want Mourinho. And they probably don't know this either - it's a rumour based on nothing substantial other than one comment by Charlton made months before Fergie retired.
It's possible that certain people don't want Mourinho, but they're not our actual decision makers. To what extent the owners (still) listen to Fergie, is unknown (to me, at least) - but I doubt they'd allow an actual "division" to form. If they want Maureen, they'll hire Maureen - they won't be sitting around worrying about pissing off Fergie. They're ruthless people, as often pointed out.
Which I have no issue with. He should probably have let it at that and not posted "Mourinho is coming" at every given opportunity. It added nothing to the debate in here whatsoever.
All I can say is that this conjecture is so exhausting. The fact his continued presence is generating so much grief and anger amongst truly passionate fans reflects the what a unpopular and inapt choice this guy is for the post. I honestly cannot imagine how he can last for another year. Another dismal run next year will impute Ed as well and he will have no excuses. Surely he must see what a stupid decision it is to stick with LVG.
Yeah, I'd agree with that. Tbf, there are a couple of people on here who genuinely know a few things, or at least might hear certain stuff whether that's from media people who've gotten it from a source or whatever and they wouldn't dream of posting it in here for fear of being abused and/or hounded for info. So, yeah, I don't fully get it myself but regardless I'm not sure people are going to be any happier when he does.
Couldn't agree more. He shouldn't even still be here, let alone next season.
Mourinho mouthing off to the press to keep his name out there today.
"I have lost my title to Leicester City"
What should be a simple and gracious gesture of congratulations comes across as cocky and arrogant from the man responsible for the fact Chelsea had the poorest title defense since our Moyes season.
"I have lost my title to Leicester City"
What should be a simple and gracious gesture of congratulations comes across as cocky and arrogant from the man responsible for the fact Chelsea had the poorest title defense since our Moyes season.
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Yes hes a cnut, but I hope he comes to United to win "his" title back
Very true, especially if Mourinho doesn't come. However, if he does come, I doubt anyone will really care as there will be a massive sense of joy and relief around here that LvG is gone and hopefully things will be about to get much better.
First off, im not usually the first to defend Jose Mourinho but you should take into consideration how he speaks english before commenting like this. Yes he is arrogant but he also has a peculiar way of speaking english just like LVG. Many on here batter LVG on how he communicates too.
The PSV game we had almost 8 or 9 shots on target. We had lots of sitters missed by martial Memphis and Lingard. Couldn't really blame anyone for that game. It's just one of those games that could just as easily have ended 3-0 or so to us.
I think Wolfsburg game saw darmian injured halfway through the game? and we had to bring on CBJ for his first European game. Fellaini hadn't started a game for a couple of months and suddenly he starts alongside schweini and Carrick who aren't very mobile themselves.
I think injuries played a big part and the teams we played with unfortunately were also going to some good form (Bournemouth had beaten Chelsea the previous week we played them and Stoke had destroyed city just couple of weeks earlier). It was a horrible month.
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