BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho

Would you be happy to see Jose Mourinho become next United manager?

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If we don't get top 4 there's no chance of him being here next season and he knows it.
 
itso 7 said:
That alone should be a sackable offense, the fact that the achievement of such a low target could save his job speaks volumes about our standards and the paucity of bravery, decisiveness and vision at the upper echelons of the club's management. A wanker like Moyes wouldn't even get an interview at other clubs of our size, Van Gaal wouldn't survive that December shitfest and Giggs wouldn't be a serious candidate - the fact that all of these occured is bizarre and is evidence of the malaise besetting this great club.
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All fair points.
 
itso 7 said:
That alone should be a sackable offense, the fact that the achievement of such a low target could save his job speaks volumes about our standards and the paucity of bravery, decisiveness and vision at the upper echelons of the club's management. A wanker like Moyes wouldn't even get an interview at other clubs of our size, Van Gaal wouldn't survive that December shitfest and Giggs wouldn't be a serious candidate - the fact that all of these occured is bizarre and is evidence of the malaise besetting this great club.
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I can see from that where Van Gaal gets his "expectations too high" comment from. It implies that any Utd manager who doesn't win the title should be sacked.

You win titles by building and perfecting a squad, and that takes time. If Mourinho is here next year and doesn't win the title in his first year is that a sackable offence? Will it be the same for the next incumbent? And the next? Are we turning into Real Madrid?
 
itso 7 said:
That alone should be a sackable offense, the fact that the achievement of such a low target could save his job speaks volumes about our standards and the paucity of bravery, decisiveness and vision at the upper echelons of the club's management. A wanker like Moyes wouldn't even get an interview at other clubs of our size, Van Gaal wouldn't survive that December shitfest and Giggs wouldn't be a serious candidate - the fact that all of these occured is bizarre and is evidence of the malaise besetting this great club.
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You mean how we had a bad month where we also had an injury crisis? I'm betting most big teams won't sack someone after that. Chelsea sacked mourinho in December even though they were poor since September. Arsenal haven't sacked Wenger for years worth of poor results. City had a useless season and they still didn't sack pellegrini. No top team in the PL is going to sack a manager due to a bad month. Especially given the circumstances injury wise. And no, that's not lowering our expectation. We make fun of Madrid fans when turn on their own players (like Casillas and even Ronaldo) but there are a lot here who does exactly that.
 
It will be very strange of he wasn't fired. He didn't meet target, the board will question that considering the financial outlay.
 
Rednotdead said:
What's the target he didn't meet then?
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Believe the target this year was top 3/a title challenge.

My understanding was the 3 year plan after finishing 7th with Moyes was:

Year 1 - top 4
Year 2 - title challenge
Year 3 - title winners
 
Riz said:
Believe the target this year was top 3/a title challenge.

My understanding was the 3 year plan after finishing 7th with Moyes was:

Year 1 - top 4
Year 2 - title challenge
Year 3 - title winners
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Yep.
 
prath92 said:
You mean how we had a bad month where we also had an injury crisis? I'm betting most big teams won't sack someone after that. Chelsea sacked mourinho in December even though they were poor since September. Arsenal haven't sacked Wenger for years worth of poor results. City had a useless season and they still didn't sack pellegrini. No top team in the PL is going to sack a manager due to a bad month. Especially given the circumstances injury wise. And no, that's not lowering our expectation. We make fun of Madrid fans when turn on their own players (like Casillas and even Ronaldo) but there are a lot here who does exactly that.
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Ummm...
  • Mou was sacked too early, he won them the league title ffs, he should never have gone, it was the players genuinely not giving a feck. He is the most succesful manager in their history.
  • Arsenal have never been "poor", they have won F.A. cup twice recently, play the best brand of football, always get to top 4 and do decently in champions league. If you call that poor we have been atrocious. The Man's won them trophies, why would you sack him?
  • City useless season? Are you on drugs? They already had their next manager sorted last year and they have got to the semi finals of champions league this year and are one goal away from a final.
  • You suspiciously miss out on Rafa benitez being sacked by madrid and allure to making fun of madrid.
My point is none of the examples you gave are right. LVG has been given 2 years and has fluked his way to an f.a. cup. While playing a brand of football getting worse every day. He had injuries so he played youth and now takes credit of the same, while making excuse of the same injuries that give him credit of giving youth a chance. Then he complains of players quality, while buying all the players that have been shit. He should have been sacked earlier not for one bad month but for his whole tenure, which is a clusterfeck.
 
Riz said:
Believe the target this year was top 3/a title challenge.

My understanding was the 3 year plan after finishing 7th with Moyes was:

Year 1 - top 4
Year 2 - title challenge
Year 3 - title winners
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And you know this because....................?
 
This attitude started with Moyes saying we're a "good club".

And now this from Van Gaal.
 
Rednotdead said:
I can see from that where Van Gaal gets his "expectations too high" comment from. It implies that any Utd manager who doesn't win the title should be sacked.

You win titles by building and perfecting a squad, and that takes time. If Mourinho is here next year and doesn't win the title in his first year is that a sackable offence? Will it be the same for the next incumbent? And the next? Are we turning into Real Madrid?
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From United's official website last April...

http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-F...ted-masterplan-falls-into-place.aspx?pageNo=2

“I have a period of three years and I would be pleased to give a championship or a title in those three years, but maybe we can do that next year.”
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The guy is a complete revisionist now telling us our expectations were too high.

He set the bar at a title and he said, and I quote, "maybe we can do that next year.”

So save me it takes time and perfecting. He said that was the expectation last April and he got a whole summer to put that into action.

Honestly I just deleted a list of issues I have with him. How is he still in a job? His arrogance and inability should of got him fired long ago... :( .
 
Rednotdead said:
And you know this because....................?
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I think that it's been stated by him and not only in the first year that during his first year, CL is a must. He met the target. Now that we won't get it (yes, I know, it's still 'to be decided'), even if there's no gradual progress expected by the board as far as the league position is concerned, surely the target from the first year of his tenure applies, therefore he's supposed to get us CL football.

We won't get it, cnut gets sacked, we don't have to pay anything as a recompensation as he didn't meet the target, everybody's happy as long as we get Mou.
 
Kostur said:
I think that it's been stated by him and not only in the first year that during his first year, CL is a must. He met the target. Now that we won't get it (yes, I know, it's still 'to be decided'), even if there's no gradual progress expected by the board as far as the league position is concerned, surely the target from the first year of his tenure applies, therefore he's supposed to get us CL football.

We won't get it, cnut gets sacked, we don't have to pay anything as a recompensation as he didn't meet the target, everybody's happy as long as we get Mou.
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There are a few on here who'd be happier keeping LVG and sliding down the table.
 
Remember when at the start of his first season he talked about it taking 3 months to get his philosophy up and running? Now we're "in transition" heading into his final year of a three year deal. The man is a complete fraud.
 
Rednotdead said:
And you know this because....................?
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Well because it's been outlined at various stages throughout Van Gaal's tenure. In his first season we all know CL qualification was his target. Woodward's presentation to shareholders this year outlining we were expecting a top 3 finish (year 2). And since he's come in he's talked about his 3 year plan to deliver the league title (year 3).
 
Mister_Stubbs said:
Is Rednotdead not coming up with every excuse for him to stay or am I reading his comments wrong?
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I haven't made any excuse for him staying. I have no particular axe to grind. It's just that I can see why no decision has been taken yet on whether he stays or goes.
 
LeftyBlaster said:
:lol: Based on the showing from the last 2 years? Be realistic. You honestly think he has a chance? Not in hell.
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Course we haven't. Leicester winning the league will have shocked the big clubs and they will retool big time. Chelsea and City will have new top class managers. Liverpool have Klopp who will have a big clearout. Arsenal get top 4 year in year out. Then we have LvG, who unless you are under 21 nobody wants to play for.
 
If the target was to challenge for the title, then he should be sacked regardless of what happens with the FA Cup final.

If the target was to make top 4, then the board who hired him are more incompetent then he is and we are in for a lot more trouble.

This club should be challenging for trophies every year. That is the expectation. Anything less, like pretending top four is a success, particularly in a season where teams above us has been slightly less crap than we were, is just ridiculous. Add to the above the money spent, and proven managers on the move / moving, and it seems like a no-brainer to me.
 
JohnnyKills said:
All fair points.
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Cheers mate.
Rednotdead said:
I can see from that where Van Gaal gets his "expectations too high" comment from. It implies that any Utd manager who doesn't win the title should be sacked.
You win titles by building and perfecting a squad, and that takes time. If Mourinho is here next year and doesn't win the title in his first year is that a sackable offence? Will it be the same for the next incumbent? And the next? Are we turning into Real Madrid?
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Expectations are too high when you're too shit and need to cover your arse after making a catalogue of poor signings and ill advised clear outs. The decisions made in the last two summers have led us to this point.
prath92 said:
You mean how we had a bad month where we also had an injury crisis? I'm betting most big teams won't sack someone after that. Chelsea sacked mourinho in December even though they were poor since September. Arsenal haven't sacked Wenger for years worth of poor results. City had a useless season and they still didn't sack pellegrini. No top team in the PL is going to sack a manager due to a bad month. Especially given the circumstances injury wise. And no, that's not lowering our expectation. We make fun of Madrid fans when turn on their own players (like Casillas and even Ronaldo) but there are a lot here who does exactly that.
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Chelsea had to react to end a situation that had turned toxic, Arsenal are Arsenal whilst City shot themselves in the foot by making Pellegrini a lame duck manager. Teams like Madrid, Bayern and Barcelona are at the level we should aspire and working to be at - the same teams that wouldn't allow a clown like Van Gaal to continue after the depths he sunk the club to.
 
How dare he even insinuate that our expectations as fans are far too high. We are Manchester United, the supposed biggest club in the world. We should be aiming to be the best not also rans.
 
You might gather I am one of my rants. We need a nasty bastard playing for us, yes a Roy Keane type and yes we need a nasty manager. Someone who will drive this team on, not keep patting them on the head and telling them how well they have done. Someone who wants to get us back to the top. This manager and team are quite happy with how things are, they get paid good money why wouldn't they be and there is always someone who wants to fawn over them. What more could you want.
 
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