BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho

Would you be happy to see Jose Mourinho become next United manager?

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SirBobbysCombover said:
Big business and the stock price rule this club, no way would they sack van gaal mid season and watch share price plummet.

Jose is coming, end of season, share price will rise and tickets will sell on back of this, stop worrying Jose is coming.
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I just hope the club don't announce that LvG is stopping the day after season ticket deadline day. They might just get a nasty shock as I think fans will just tell them where to stick their season tickets and will apply for tickets depending on the oppostition. If that happens it will be a lot of guaranteed money not coming into the club. The rubbish games might have an half empty stadium.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Course we haven't. Leicester winning the league will have shocked the big clubs and they will retool big time. Chelsea and City will have new top class managers. Liverpool have Klopp who will have a big clearout. Arsenal get top 4 year in year out. Then we have LvG, who unless you are under 21 nobody wants to play for.
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Exactly. Other clubs will be tooling up and we cannot, cannot get left behind with a lunatic who's happy with us creating 1-2 chances a game.
 
Ticket sales are no longer a priority though nearly all the money in football is from tv and sponsorship deals.

On topic though he will leave this summer, we'll finish 5th and hopefully win the FA cup but the loss of CL football and just the whole negativity around the club is more than enough to see him feck off.
 
Maradona10 said:
Ummm...
  • Mou was sacked too early, he won them the league title ffs, he should never have gone, it was the players genuinely not giving a feck. He is the most succesful manager in their history.
  • Arsenal have never been "poor", they have won F.A. cup twice recently, play the best brand of football, always get to top 4 and do decently in champions league. If you call that poor we have been atrocious. The Man's won them trophies, why would you sack him?
  • City useless season? Are you on drugs? They already had their next manager sorted last year and they have got to the semi finals of champions league this year and are one goal away from a final.
  • You suspiciously miss out on Rafa benitez being sacked by madrid and allure to making fun of madrid.
My point is none of the examples you gave are right. LVG has been given 2 years and has fluked his way to an f.a. cup. While playing a brand of football getting worse every day. He had injuries so he played youth and now takes credit of the same, while making excuse of the same injuries that give him credit of giving youth a chance. Then he complains of players quality, while buying all the players that have been shit. He should have been sacked earlier not for one bad month but for his whole tenure, which is a clusterfeck.
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do you have any idea what my point was? My point was that one bad month doesn't mean you get the sack. He actually got over from that and we had better results which saw us improve a little bit at least.

His tenure had been fine till December. Not great but nothing out of control. We were still in and around the top 2 around December (when we played Leicester in November end it was 1st vs 2nd). Then we had a bad month with injuries and our results suffered. So no it wasn't a total mess before that like you claimed it to be. We didn't play good football but does anyone care about good football if we don't win? (I don't even know why you brought up Benitez. It was obvious that I was critiscizing their sacking method, and why would I need to mention them in that?)

Are you seriously saying Wenger was successful for Arsenal ? He was the one who fluked the FA Cup in 2014. Seriously, even their own fans want him sacked for years and you say he is good. Well done.

As for mourinho, it was his job to keep his players motivated. If he didn't do that of course he is to blame. Players aren't blameless but it's the job of the manager to manage his team. If he doesn't then he is the one in fault.

City has been totally wasted this season against even a remotely strong team. They haven't won against any of the top 6 team. They spent a lot on defence and yet their defence conceded 4 goals three separate times this year. In the league they have been very bad.

LvG will rightly get sacked this season end but there was no replacement either for us. I don't want Giggs or someone like that who would have been worse.
 
Castia said:
Ticket sales are no longer a priority though nearly all the money in football is from tv and sponsorship deals.

On topic though he will leave this summer, we'll finish 5th and hopefully win the FA cup but the loss of CL football and just the whole negativity around the club is more than enough to see him feck off.
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If the team continue the downward spiral, the sponsorship deals will soon get smaller and more insignificant. If other clubs start overtaking us it won't be long before TV decides to show other games rather than ours. If fans decide to buy fake United shirts then Adidas will soon be complaining as they will not be recouping all the money they have ploughed into United. If the football stays the same and we are not progressing a lot of people will cancel their MUTV subscriptions, more and more money not coming into the club. It will mount up. Sponsors want to be associated with a winner.
 
Rednotdead said:
And you know this because....................?
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You asking this question after these posts:

Rednotdead said:
No decision has been made yet. The Mourinho camp is beginning to get edgy.
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Rednotdead said:
Mourinho has other offers, but significantly he's not making a decision on them yet. He's waiting for Utd. The decision hasn't been made yet.
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Rednotdead said:
I don't know why people still think Mourinho coming here is a done deal. it's nothing of the sort.
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Rednotdead said:
People need to calm down. No decision has been made yet, despite Mourinho and his camp trying to encourage the club to make one. It may be made before the Cup Final but for obvious reasons it won't be communicated (if it needs to be) until after that.
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Is pretty funny.
 
itso 7 said:
Cheers mate.

Expectations are too high when you're too shit and need to cover your arse after making a catalogue of poor signings and ill advised clear outs. The decisions made in the last two summers have led us to this point.

Chelsea had to react to end a situation that had turned toxic, Arsenal are Arsenal whilst City shot themselves in the foot by making Pellegrini a lame duck manager. Teams like Madrid, Bayern and Barcelona are at the level we should aspire and working to be at - the same teams that wouldn't allow a clown like Van Gaal to continue after the depths he sunk the club to.
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Madrid sack managers who are successful. That's not what I want to be. Barca sacked martino who was obviously the wrong manager only end of season. Thankfully that league isn't competitive enough to lose a lot but still.
 
prath92 said:
Madrid sack managers who are successful. That's not what I want to be. Barca sacked martino who was obviously the wrong manager only end of season. Thankfully that league isn't competitive enough to lose a lot but still.
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We aren't sacking successful managers though, far from it. Nobody wants that. We just want a successful manager and the last two clowns aren't it.
 
Rado_N said:
What's his nonsense got to do with it?
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Is it not obvious, no? The poster you quoted is doing the exact same as him, just a different stance; i.e. speaking about things in a certain manner when no one actually has a clue.
 
Robbie Boy said:
Is it not obvious, no? The poster you quoted is doing the exact same as him, just a different stance; i.e. speaking about things in a certain manner when no one actually has a clue.
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Yes, and then ignoring people asking for the basis on which he is making these assertions whilst at the same time demanding explanations from others.
 
Rado_N said:
Yes, and then ignoring people asking for the basis on which he is making these assertions whilst at the same time demanding explanations from others.
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The exact same as 'acquire me', and yet he has gotten away with his shite talk until very recently. It's best to ignore anyone that speaks about this issue with absolute certainty, for obvious reasons.
 
prath92 said:
You mean how we had a bad month where we also had an injury crisis? I'm betting most big teams won't sack someone after that. Chelsea sacked mourinho in December even though they were poor since September. Arsenal haven't sacked Wenger for years worth of poor results. City had a useless season and they still didn't sack pellegrini. No top team in the PL is going to sack a manager due to a bad month. Especially given the circumstances injury wise. And no, that's not lowering our expectation. We make fun of Madrid fans when turn on their own players (like Casillas and even Ronaldo) but there are a lot here who does exactly that.
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One bad month of
PSV 0-0
Leicester 1-1
West Ham 0-0
Wolfsburg 2-3
Bournemouth 1-2
Norwich 1-2
Stoke 0-2
Chelsea 0-0

Team vs Norwich
Man Utd: De Gea (6), Jones (6), Smalling (7), Blind (7), Young (5), Carrick (6), Fellaini (5), Depay (5), Mata (6), Martial (7), Rooney (6).

Team vs stoke
De Gea (7), Jones (6), Smalling (6), Blind (4), Young (6), Carrick (6), Herrera (6), Mata (6), Fellaini (5), Depay (4), Martial (5).

Team vs psv
De Gea; Darmian, Smalling, Blind, Rojo; Schneiderlin, Schweingsteiger; Lingard, Rooney, Memphis; Martial

Team vs Wolfsburg
Manchester United: De Gea; Varela, Smalling, Blind, Darmian; Fellaini, Schweinsteiger; Lingard, Mata, Depay; Martial.

I don't think you can blame that month on the injury crisis. Apart from Bournemouth with a makeshift defence I think we had strong teams in most games. All those managers you mention
have actually achieved something at their clubs and bought themselves the time.
 
Robbie Boy said:
The exact same as 'acquire me', and yet he has gotten away with his shite talk until very recently. It's best to ignore anyone that speaks about this issue with absolute certainty, for obvious reasons.
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I've never believed for one minute that acquire me knows anything. It was the hypocrisy of rednotdead that struck me.
 
Rado_N said:
I've never believed for one minute that acquire me knows anything. It was the hypocrisy of rednotdead that struck me.
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Ah fair enough. I guess I'm just amazed that this 'acquire me' lad had gotten away with his tedious rubbish until a-few people have started to call him out in recent weeks. I have just ignored anyone that speaks about LvG being gone as a certainty / Mourinho coming in as a certainty. We all have our opinions and expectations on the matter, but there's really no need for anyone to speak about either topic as though it's concluded.
 
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Paul the Wolf said:
I think we should all ignore all those people whon think they know anything...

and there was ....... SILENCE!!
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So you believe some chap that has barked the same 'Mourinho is coming' line for months know, without any evidence to substantiate his claims? Ok, good for you so. There's a huge difference between a detate as to why / why not people believe Mourinho is coming vs some lad who has offered nothing insightful whatsoever, apart from the classic 'Mourinho is coming' line which he posts about a thousand times a day.
 
Robbie Boy said:
So you believe some chap that has barked the same 'Mourinho is coming' line for months know, without any evidence to substantiate his claims? Ok, good for you so. There's a huge difference between a detate as to why / why not people believe Mourinho is coming vs some lad who has offered nothing insightful whatsoever, apart from the classic 'Mourinho is coming' line which he posts about a thousand times a day.
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why are you doing this to us! leave us in our safe space!!!
 
Robbie Boy said:
So you believe some chap that has barked the same 'Mourinho is coming' line for months know, without any evidence to substantiate his claims? Ok, good for you so. There's a huge difference between a detate as to why / why not people believe Mourinho is coming vs some lad who has offered nothing insightful whatsoever, apart from the classic 'Mourinho is coming' line which he posts about a thousand times a day.
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I didn't say that, I didn't say which side , people who say he's definitely coming and those saying LvG is definitely staying

In my opinion which is not based on any inside knowledge , only logic, is that LvG will leave after the Cup Final, win or lose, and Mourinho will take over
 
Rado_N said:
Yes, and then ignoring people asking for the basis on which he is making these assertions whilst at the same time demanding explanations from others.
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Oh, that's strange. I don't see those who assert that Mourinho is a "done deal" being challenged in this way.

I'm not claiming to be any better informed than anyone else. If I were I would say so. I'm simply forming an opinion on the basis of circumstantial evidence. I may turn out to be right, I may turn out to be wrong. So may others, though I doubt they'll be criticised in the same way.
 
Robbie Boy said:
The exact same as 'acquire me', and yet he has gotten away with his shite talk until very recently. It's best to ignore anyone that speaks about this issue with absolute certainty, for obvious reasons.
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If you feel you've got anything to criticise me for, at least have the courtesy to do it directly to me not indirectly to others.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
I didn't say that, I didn't say which side , people who say he's definitely coming and those saying LvG is definitely staying

In my opinion which is not based on any inside knowledge , only logic, is that LvG will leave after the Cup Final, win or lose, and Mourinho will take over
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Well that's not what you said in your post, to be fair. You said 'people who think they know anything'. The thing is, none of us definitively know anything.

Yes you're 100% right, logic absolutely says that he has to go. I personally have a bad feeling about the whole thing and feel there's a big chance he will stay on. But that's based on nothing more than how I feel on the matter. As I said, at the moment no one knows anything and all we have are our opinions and expectations on the matter. My hope is that LvG fecks off; my expectation is 70% he will end up staying / 30% he will go and Mourinho will come in. Only time will tell but it bugs me when people speak about this in a matter of fact way.
 
Rednotdead said:
If you feel you've got anything to criticise me for, at least have the courtesy to do it directly to me not indirectly to others.
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Sorry what? Have a look back through my posts. My original point was that you had done nothing different than what 'acquire me' does, but you have the opposite stance.

My huge criticism of you would be if you are actually trying to justify LvG staying on.
 
Robbie Boy said:
Sorry what? Have a look back through my posts. My original point was that you had done nothing different than what 'acquire me' does, but you have the opposite stance.

My huge criticism of you would be if you are actually trying to justify LvG staying on.
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I'm simply playing devil's advocate as to why no decision has been made yet about Van Gaal/Mourinho whereas some people think it has. I have no more actual information than anyone else.
 
Rednotdead said:
I'm simply playing devil's advocate as to why no decision has been made yet about Van Gaal/Mourinho whereas some people think it has. I have no more actual information than anyone else.
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Yup, and I don't disagree with that at all. You did appear to be speaking definitely, though which is why you were probably pulled up. I actually agree with you and I personally don't feel any decision has been made but again, that's just how I feel on the matter.
 
Someone will be managing us next season. Until our players collectively grow a pair, it won't really matter who.

The lack of work rate and desire on show far too often this season is being glossed over with all the manager talk. The REAL difference Rashford et al brought was not incredible skill, it was a willingness to leave it all on the pitch for the shirt.
 
Nogbadthebad said:
Someone will be managing us next season. Until our players collectively grow a pair, it won't really matter who.

The lack of work rate and desire on show far too often this season is being glossed over with all the manager talk. The REAL difference Rashford et al brought was not incredible skill, it was a willingness to leave it all on the pitch for the shirt.
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I agree that the players need to take some of the blame. There seems to be a sense of apathy with them, that they are happy with their lot, happy with the wages, happy with living in Manchester, playing in a nice big stadium, lots of sponsorship stuff. A bit of drive from them wouldn't do any harm.
 
Robbie Boy said:
Yup, and I don't disagree with that at all. You did appear to be speaking definitely, though which is why you were probably pulled up. I actually agree with you and I personally don't feel any decision has been made but again, that's just how I feel on the matter.
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Surely everybody who posts on here is simply posting an opinion, unless they claim to have a specific source. I've never claimed any specific source, should I have to add a disclaimer to every post that it's only my opinion?
 
Rednotdead said:
Surely everybody who posts on here is simply posting an opinion, unless they claim to have a specific source. I've never claimed any specific source, should I have to add a disclaimer to every post that it's only my opinion?
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Well when you post things like "No decision has been made yet", then yeah, that appears to be quite conclusive as opposed to your opinion.

And nope, not everybody in here is stating their opinion; there's one clear ITK banging around the place.
 
Robbie Boy said:
Well that's not what you said in your post, to be fair. You said 'people who think they know anything'. The thing is, none of us definitively know anything.

Yes you're 100% right, logic absolutely says that he has to go. I personally have a bad feeling about the whole thing and feel there's a big chance he will stay on. But that's based on nothing more than how I feel on the matter. As I said, at the moment no one knows anything and all we have are our opinions and expectations on the matter. My hope is that LvG fecks off; my expectation is 70% he will end up staying / 30% he will go and Mourinho will come in. Only time will tell but it bugs me when people speak about this in a matter of fact way.
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Exactly, that's what I meant by SILENCE
 
Attila said:
I don't think anyone actually believes aquire me
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Believes what? That he believes Mourinho is coming? Yes, I do believe that. I don't think he's been posting to that effect for months just to wind people up.

He's stated plainly enough that he's been told something - by someone. He can't prove anything, though, so he shouldn't have been going on about it to the extent he has - which many of us have now told him.

But I don't think he's a WUM or a liar, and if Maureen is announced as our new manager I'm sure he'll provide some more details. For him to do so now would be pointless: What he knows doesn't amount to proof of anything, so posting it would only lead to further attacks on him. Better to keep quiet about it all and wait for something official. I repeat that the latter is what he should have opted for to begin with - but there you go.
 
Robbie Boy said:
Well when you post things like "No decision has been made yet", then yeah, that appears to be quite conclusive as opposed to your opinion.

And nope, not everybody in here is stating their opinion; there's one clear ITK banging around the place.
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I did say "unless they claim to have a specific source"
 
Chesterlestreet said:
Believes what? That he believes Mourinho is coming? Yes, I do believe that. I don't think he's been posting to that effect for months just to wind people up.
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Nope, there's plenty that believe that Mourinho is coming that don't have to quote numerous people every single day saying "Mourinho is coming". There's a difference between someone having an opinion and someone claiming to know something; and that chap is certainly in the latter.

I personally think he knows nothing and he started on this conquest months ago and can't back out now. It's nothing more than opinion and if it happens, he's hardly going to be seen as a prophet. Your pragmatic way of looking at it is just plain wrong, imo.
 
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