BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho

Would you be happy to see Jose Mourinho become next United manager?

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Kag said:
That FA Cup/top four comment was more of a general comment aimed towards the kind of people that persist with pretending that the people in charge at the club are infact totally stupid. Not necessarily you, for which I apologise.

But come on. Of course nothing is official, but it's been the worst kept secret in football for months. Van Gaal has behaved like a man heading for the retirement door for months, even more so in the past week. The BBC (triple sourced) have confirmed that there's been contact with Mourinho. The club has briefed nothing to the English press with regards Van Gaal and future job security.

Numerous journalists have stuck their necks on the line and stated that an outline agreement is in place for the summer, most notably (and recently) a high profile Portuguese paper. Bedy Moratti's remarks added fuel to the fire. Mourinho himself has stated that he'll be in a new job come the summer. Mourinho himself (you would think) would take the United job in a heartbeat.

The club has actively sought to push back the renewal deadline for season tickets. The club is, by all accounts, undergoing big transitions throughout the academy and scouting departments. Why would it go to all of this effort and expense when the current manager is struggling to challenge for top honours? Particularly when an outstanding candidate (one who has been extensively linked to the club) is available and overwhelmingly popular amongst an increasingly agitated fan base.

There's more to the Mourinho saga than mere white noise. There's actually a lot of evidence to suggest he will be our next manager, and it isn't just a case of an arrogant gut feeling. Ultimately, I need to caveat all this by saying I could be completely wrong, I'm incredibly confident that Mourinho will be here come July and have been since around February.
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Can't really argue per se with any of that; I mean I hope that's the case.

The thing is though, no journalist has really said anything other than 'Mouriho is coming' - as in, no actual sources, quotes etc. The latest stories today are that he has officially signed in the last 48 hours, but come on, I thought he had 'officially signed' months ago. The journalists are running around writing nothing factual and it's all unsubstantiated drivel, for the most part, anyway.

I guess I'm just extremely sceptical about the whole thing and I have been from the start. It's how I interpret things; for example, some say LvG looks a dead man walking but to me, he actually comes across calm and almost smug. You can google LvG staying and you will find plenty of articles and you can google Mouriho to United and find a hell of a-lot of stuff. The fact that there's still plenty of stories about LvG staying makes me wonder.

I'll reiterate this again; logic would say that LvG should be got rid of once the season ends and Mourinho - who clearly wants the job - should come in. But ask me am I confident of it happening and I'll say no. I don't know why, call it a gut feeling, or maybe I've become so disillusioned by the whole LvG reign that I can't see past it.
 
Mister_Stubbs said:
Nothing I read on a fans forum will convince me why a double act of two failed managers would be a better choice than a serial winner.
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OK. I thought you might be interested in a different view, but if you're happy with your own entrenched position then never mind. Btw, noone would call Jose a success based on this season. I think he broke down mentally. How would you explain it? And I really don't get the Jose / Manchester United connection at all.
 
United have still not come out and said Van Gaal will see out his contract, have they? I know they don't have to issue the dreaded vote of confidence, but the constant speculation is not being countered.

I wonder if Van Gaal has agreed to go and the preparation work is being done with input from the new manager?

I dunno. This thread is driving me crazy I think...
 
DenisIrwin said:
OK. I thought you might be interested in a different view, but if you're happy with your own entrenched position then never mind. Btw, noone would call Jose a success based on this season. I think he broke down mentally. How would you explain it? And I really don't get the Jose / Manchester United connection at all.
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Winning?
 
SirBobbysCombover said:
Let me get this straight, you want oneill and Keane to lead the club, over a proven elite level multi continent manager, based on the fact you don't like the man?

I remember a few old fans back in the day who didn't like fergie or his attitude, they thought he was the wrong man for the role.

Madness still prevails amongst our fans I see.
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I'm not about to engage in a discussion with someone that assumes I'm mad as a starting position.
 
It's a bit weird how confident, to the point of becoming angry when someone suggests otherwise, some people are about Mourinho coming in.

I mean, I've said all along that I strongly believe that we will not appoint Mourinho, and I've seen nothing to suggest that Van Gaal will not be here next season yet, let alone that Mourinho is next in line, but I wouldn't be going around calling out anyone who disagrees, because I obviously don't know.

Unless these chaps have some serious links to the club that we're all unaware of then I don't see how they can be so certain and so offended if others disagree. I hope they're right! But I doubt it.
 
It reminds me of the day everyone thought Stan Collymore was coming through the door and it turned out to be Andy Cole.
 
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United have still not come out and said Van Gaal will see out his contract, have they? I know they don't have to issue the dreaded vote of confidence, but the constant speculation is not being countered.

I wonder if Van Gaal has agreed to go and the preparation work is being done with input from the new manager?

I dunno. This thread is driving me crazy I think...
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The club will not make any statement about LVG because his job depends on where we finish. It will make no sense for them to back him for him to now finish 5th and not win the FA cup. Guillem Ballague said the club have been denying a deal with Mourinho to journalists in private. Amy Lawrence was on TV on Thursday saying the same thing.

I am inclined to believe the club's stance of no decision being made to be true. Even Di Marzio, who everyone is banking their hopes on says there's nothing signed on paper. A verbal agreement doesn't mean shite.
 
Sky1981 said:
You're rewriting history dude, Ronaldo can be frustrating at times but it's not due to his ineptness, it's more about being selfish (while he's not at that godly level yet to be selfish), go ahead and dig old thread about him and people will say he's the most exciting players in a long time.

Definitely heaven and earth different between Memphis who lost the ball looking stupid and can't stop trying, he got worse as our campaign goes by while Ronaldo and DDG shows steady improvement.

waiting and patience is good, should we kept Luke Chadwick? Bebe? Dong Fangzhuo? Because hey maybe after 5 years in the league they finally found their tools of the trade and becomes the BPOTW
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It's exactly what happened. He had good sparks here and there but overall was very hit and miss till the post World Cup season (06/07) when he suddenly went up a gear. Till then he was extremely frustrating. It was selfishness but more madness thinking that he can do everything on his own.

Plus he didn't get worse at all. Definitely more positive games since he was benched and then was given a rare start against Arsenal and midtjylland and all. Definitely more well drilled and disciplined. He definitely deserves another season at the very least.
 
Acquire Me said:
Im 100% certain. LvG will leave the build ingen and José Mourinho will be our next manager. Im laughing at the clueless people who says its not done. It was done months ago.
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You're either well informed and ITK, or the biggest troll to ever grace these boards since I've been here.
 
Loon said:
United have still not come out and said Van Gaal will see out his contract, have they? I know they don't have to issue the dreaded vote of confidence, but the constant speculation is not being countered.

I wonder if Van Gaal has agreed to go and the preparation work is being done with input from the new manager?

I dunno. This thread is driving me crazy I think...
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Nope. He's gone at the end of the season.
 
Acquire Me said:
Im 100% certain. LvG will leave the build ingen and José Mourinho will be our next manager. Im laughing at the clueless people who says its not done. It was done months ago.
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I like you Acquire Me, but we're not all 5. Nobody knows for sure what's happening except for a small group. That's if anything is even decided yet at all. If you're right and Jose is 'done' then it would probably only be Woodward, Arnold, Mended and Mourinho (and family) who know and it would be very hush hush.

Anything read on Redissue or from the journalists you trust is mostly going to be guesswork until it's time for people to know
 
People can think whatever they want but the bare fact is that United have not once even manged to give the vote of confidence to LvG or has denied the talks with Mourinho inspite of months of speculation. For me, this in addition to the fact that mostly every media in Spain, England and Portugal have went with Mourinho makes me think it's a done deal.
 
KM said:
People can think whatever they want but the bare fact is that United have not once even manged to give the vote of confidence to LvG or has denied the talks with Mourinho inspite of months of speculation. For me, this in addition to the fact that mostly every media in Spain, England and Portugal have went with Mourinho makes me think it's a done deal.
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This is the most telling, usually we're quite quick to derail a non-story.
 
GiddyUp said:
Fair enough but what about his treatment of the senior players. All you Van Gaal supporters go on about youth but totally ignore the senior players and lack off.
You do know he is retiring in 12 months. Judging by his two seasons what could he possibly do to get us above a Pep City, Klopp Liverpool, Poch Spurs or Wenger Arsenal. You are forgetting these very important factors in you're blindness of giving the kids a few more games. What is stopping Rashford, Martial or TFM wanting to leave if we fail to get top four next season?.
Woodward is willing to splash the cash but would any world class player want to come and play under Van Gaal and then possibly Giggs?. Not a fecking chance, we were lucky to get Schweinsteiger and I bet he's looking forward to a new manager after being thrown under the bus by Van Gaal a couple of times. If Van Gaal was 15 years younger no top 10 team would touch him after these last two seasons and the money spent. Open you're ears guys.
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I don't really consider myself an lvg fan by the way

Not that you were to know, but I would have been one of the more critical of him and woody last summer and last season. I didn't see any direction and their business was scatterbrained. I thought the window was pretty awful whereas most on here were hailing it as the best ever

It really wasnt until he started playing the kids that he won me around. I don't know how he fell into this situation, by chance or whatever. But the fact is, he is standing by them and the this group coming through is about the closest I have seen since the early to mid 90's.

I would sacrifice another year without a title challenge for sure if it meant all the young lads got played again next season
 
RORY65 said:
Ferguson was regularly a massive twat like Mourinho and they're both serial winners but I must have missed the bit where Ferguson fell out with everyone in his squad and the board after 2 and a bit years in every job and left with an unhappy, tired squad delighted to see the back of him.

I have no issue with a manager being here for only 2 or 3 years, that is the norm now, and although Mourinho's football and antics tedious I could get over that quickly enough. The problem I have (well, apart from not wanting Jorge Mendes' influence to grow any greater than it already is) is that he won't just leave in 2 or 3 years but that he'll take at least 12 months to fix the squad that Van Gaal has created, we'll then probably have a really good second season but his pattern everywhere is that it then collapses. He won't just leave after 2 or 3 years, it's that his track record suggests we'll be way worse than we are now when he does.
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The difference between the two is that Ferguson was quick to spot and get rid of potential trouble makers long before they became trouble. It was an acquired skill and Mourinho is somehow too loyal to his players and hasn't enjoyed an ounce of the power that Fergie had wherever he has worked.
 
If anything, Mourinho's biggest issue in management seems to be that he trusts his players too much. The more trust he gives them, the more betrayed he feels when they let him down.

It's probably the single biggest difference between Mourinho and SAF. If someone was going against the grain SAF would boot them out the door without a second thought, and that backfired more than once.
 
AltiUn said:
This is the most telling, usually we're quite quick to derail a non-story.
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Are we, really though? I'm not calling you out specifically, but I'd love to see more examples. I recall us, maybe at two or three occasions, dispelling rumors through the website and Twitter, but I think these were far away from each other in terms of time.
 
KM said:
People can think whatever they want but the bare fact is that United have not once even manged to give the vote of confidence to LvG or has denied the talks with Mourinho inspite of months of speculation. For me, this in addition to the fact that mostly every media in Spain, England and Portugal have went with Mourinho makes me think it's a done deal.
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It still hinges on where we finish in my opinion. Top 4 (and an FA cup) could save him so the board aren't going to show their hand either way.
 
Taxx said:
Are we, really though? I'm not calling you out specifically, but I'd love to see more examples. I recall us, maybe at two or three occasions, dispelling rumors through the website and Twitter, but I think these were far away from each other in terms of time.
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We came out and denied the meeting with Guardiola in Paris
 
I think United are handling the situation very well. Van Gaal is a great coach who has achieved great things in his career. He's also a pretty decent guy.
The club is leaving him to manage, and will be monitoring the progress (choke) and will obviously make a call at the end of the season, with all things considered.
Mourinho is also a good friend of Van Gaal's, so neither would like to be in the uncomfortable position of knowing that it is public knowledge Mourinho is taking over.
Personally I think Mourinho was approached before Christmas, but United are being courteous to Van Gaal to let him see the season out before Woody puts his arm around him.
 
Leftback99 said:
It still hinges on where we finish in my opinion. Top 4 (and an FA cup) could save him so the board aren't going to show their hand either way.
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Nah Mourinho and his camp are too smart to leave a deal of this magnitude this open ended, if we have approached him and he agreed he wouldn't left himself that vulnerable. That precontract is real imo and Van Gaal's fate was sealed months ago.
 
peridigm said:
You're either well informed and ITK, or the biggest troll to ever grace these boards since I've been here.
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In fairness, he probably isn't a troll. Maureen to United is highly likely, the main story peddled by anyone who peddles stories, and has been for months now. It's that or nothing, really - with "nothing" meaning LVG stays.

He's supposedly friendly with OGS's wife or whatever it is - extremely shitty ITK credentials, but there it is. He's gone all in on that. If it doesn't happen, he'll look like an utter twat. But it ain't trolling, I've no doubt he's sincere as such.

Anyway, at best, he has "predicted" what millions of people have been thinking for a good while now. Even in the best of circumstances he won't emerge from it as a proven ITK, just as one of the millions who thought it was a done deal. If I were him, I'd simply shut the feck up - because he doesn't offer anything remotely compelling. What he claims is either self-evident or false. And he - obviously - doesn't back it up with anything whatsoever.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
In fairness, he probably isn't a troll. Maureen to United is highly likely, the main story peddled by anyone who peddles stories, and has been for months now. It's that or nothing, really - with "nothing" meaning LVG stays.

He's supposedly friendly with OGS's wife or whatever it is - extremely shitty ITK credentials, but there it is. He's gone all in on that. If it doesn't happen, he'll look like an utter twat. But it ain't trolling, I've no doubt he's sincere as such.

Anyway, at best, he has "predicted" what millions of people have been thinking for a good while now. Even in the best of circumstances he won't emerge from it as a proven ITK, just as one of the millions who thought it was a done deal. If I were him, I'd simply shut the feck up - because he doesn't offer anything remotely compelling. What he claims is either self-evident or false. And he - obviously - doesn't back it up with anything whatsoever.
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Thanks for summing it up better than I could.
 
itso 7 said:
Nah Mourinho and his camp are too smart to leave a deal of this magnitude this open ended, if we have approached him and he agreed he wouldn't left himself that vulnerable. That precontract is real imo and Van Gaal's fate was sealed months ago.
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Which is why the rumours of penalty clauses if he doesn't sign a deal make sense.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
In fairness, he probably isn't a troll. Maureen to United is highly likely, the main story peddled by anyone who peddles stories, and has been for months now. It's that or nothing, really - with "nothing" meaning LVG stays.

He's supposedly friendly with OGS's wife or whatever it is - extremely shitty ITK credentials, but there it is. He's gone all in on that. If it doesn't happen, he'll look like an utter twat. But it ain't trolling, I've no doubt he's sincere as such.

Anyway, at best, he has "predicted" what millions of people have been thinking for a good while now. Even in the best of circumstances he won't emerge from it as a proven ITK, just as one of the millions who thought it was a done deal. If I were him, I'd simply shut the feck up - because he doesn't offer anything remotely compelling. What he claims is either self-evident or false. And he - obviously - doesn't back it up with anything whatsoever.
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That definitely needed to be summarised. My bet is that it's just pure guesswork and not exactly groundbreaking guessing either.
 
“I felt during part of last season that the country wanted Liverpool to be champion,” he starts out. “The media, the press: a lot was to put Liverpool there. Nobody was saying they were in a privileged situation because they didn’t play Champions League. Nobody was speaking about a lot, a lot of decisions that helped them win important and crucial points. And I felt that day was a day that was ready for their celebration.

“I used the word with my players. I said – we are going to be the clowns, they want us to be the clowns in the circus. The circus is here.Liverpool are to be champions.”

I interject: “You weren’t having that, were you?”

He fixes me with a look "no"
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:cool::cool:
 
I'm an ITK... I know what Mata is revealing.

Spoiler. It's nothing to do with Jose and the new kit.

It's cool though.
 
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