BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho

Would you be happy to see Jose Mourinho become next United manager?

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GiddyUp said:
Hold on one second, twelve years ago Mourinhos name would of been mentioned along side all the promising managers but now that he has won silver everywhere he has gone he's just not risky enough for our fairytale. You could easily put AVB name amongst these managers, how did that turn out at Chelsea and Spurs. With this thinking Alex Ferguson wouldn't be considered today because of his attitude and the trophys he won with Aberdeen. Should Manchester United not hire the best manager out there?.
The most successful manager hands down of the last 15 years is ready to become our manager. If fans of this club would prefer a magical story that may have a happy ending as long as our risky new manager can magically replicate what the best manager in sports achieved then that's fair enough. There is a wonderful story happening right now in Leicester City, you could jump on that bandwagon since you don't really care if this team loses or plays like shite. If you don't want to lose face in front of other supporters you could also start supporting FCUnited, the plucky lower leagues would be right up you're ally. Me, I will continue to support Manchester United and will scream and shout until the right decisions are made and we start kicking arse again.
The craziest thing about this disagreement is people want us to replicate what Ferguson achieved but don't want a Ferguson. The closest person in football to Alex Ferguson is Jose Mourinho. But no, people want to continue with a magical yarn where the club need to run from the ball at midnight in case people call them out for wanting success, where they would rather have a talking mouse as manager than a vicious lion. I want United to take back the fecking kingdom but others would rather we live on the outskirts of the forest and raise our young.
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Great post and i agree with everything but I didnt say that I dont want Mourinho here, though I understand that it might look like that. I just feel that the reason Mourinho will end up here is because of the lack of planning and bad decisions and even lack of football knowledge in the administration. I will welcome Mourinho and hope he proves to be the best antidote to Pep
 
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A "typo".
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I don't think it was a typo though from what I have heard. It is very early on in the renewal cycle admittedly but the fact they have already pushed back the date and are offering stupid crap incentives like free scarves shows that they know they are struggling.
 
that crystal palace game attendance must have been a real eye opener for the board. I'll be renewing but making them sweat for it. Forever being nagged about credit card payments all season leaves a sour taste. People will renew, but the season isn't over and we have a cup final, yet they expect STs bought aswell
 
Kag said:
The club has already decided what's going to happen and Mourinho will be our next manager. It's clear as the day. What staggers more is that people like yourself can't see what's staring you right in the face.

The idea that the powers at be in the boardroom are waiting for Van Gaal to win the FA Cup final/finish in the top four is a narrative of incompetence I find to be ludicrous.
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Well said.
 
Kag said:
The club has already decided what's going to happen and Mourinho will be our next manager. It's clear as the day. What staggers more is that people like yourself can't see what's staring you right in the face.

The idea that the powers at be in the boardroom are waiting for Van Gaal to win the FA Cup final/finish in the top four is a narrative of incompetence I find to be ludicrous.
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To be honest, the idea that van Gaal is still in a job is ludicrous, and the idea that Moyes was appointed over Mourinho is also ludicrous. Anything can happen with this board.
 
JohnnyKills said:
I also agree. Great point about people not wanting a Ferguson, very neatly put.

In fact you can go further: people are opposed to Mourinho yet we've had someone just as arrogant, rude and controversial in charge for the past two years. LVG shares all Mourinho's drawbacks and wins far fewer trophies.
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Ferguson was regularly a massive twat like Mourinho and they're both serial winners but I must have missed the bit where Ferguson fell out with everyone in his squad and the board after 2 and a bit years in every job and left with an unhappy, tired squad delighted to see the back of him.

I have no issue with a manager being here for only 2 or 3 years, that is the norm now, and although Mourinho's football and antics tedious I could get over that quickly enough. The problem I have (well, apart from not wanting Jorge Mendes' influence to grow any greater than it already is) is that he won't just leave in 2 or 3 years but that he'll take at least 12 months to fix the squad that Van Gaal has created, we'll then probably have a really good second season but his pattern everywhere is that it then collapses. He won't just leave after 2 or 3 years, it's that his track record suggests we'll be way worse than we are now when he does.
 
GiddyUp said:
Exactly, he has had the majority of his coaching time under two failed managers and now some people expect him to take what he has learned and use it while managing the same club as the two failed managers. What the hell is going on in people's minds?
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There is no logic in that thinking.
 
Kag said:
The club has already decided what's going to happen and Mourinho will be our next manager. It's clear as the day. What staggers more is that people like yourself can't see what's staring you right in the face.

The idea that the powers at be in the boardroom are waiting for Van Gaal to win the FA Cup final/finish in the top four is a narrative of incompetence I find to be ludicrous.
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I think to believe that Woodward and the rest of the board have a clear plan is giving them credit they've done very little to deserve. From what it looks like to me, Woodward would like to find a reason to keep Van Gaal and if we finish strongly (i.e. make 4th and win the cup final) then I would expect him to remain. It's not a very good way of running a club where our future could be decided by one dodgy refereeing decision or a flukey result but this is the same board that appointed David Moyes, leaked his dismissal before telling him and who didn't sack Van Gaal in December.
 
RORY65 said:
Ferguson was regularly a massive twat like Mourinho and they're both serial winners but I must have missed the bit where Ferguson fell out with everyone in his squad and the board after 2 and a bit years in every job and left with an unhappy, tired squad delighted to see the back of him.
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What happened with Inter and Porto. Did he not win the treble/double with these teams (CL, League, Cup)?
And who is the reigning EPL Champion manager?
Mate, if you want a club which is playing happy families, then hire Giggs. We'll get 8th-10th place, but all our players will walk around with big smiles on their faces.
After 3 barren seasons, I want a return to winning ways.
 
TrustInJanuzai said:
Except that for every one of the players you mentioned there's a David silva, David De Gea and of course Cristiano Ronaldo etc. Players adept at different rates and the premier league is one of the hardest leagues to adapt to, I feel like if everyone had your attitude we would buy and sell 10 players each year and they would likely suffer the same as most of our players have this year. There's also something in football where the team helps to bring out the best in players, for 3 seasons we have had a group of individuals on the pitch, when we become a team with coherent tactics and a clear vision those players will improve dramatically. Football is never black and white but in my opinion the best things come to those that wait.
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De gea, ronaldo, they're not world class player when they first come, but they're far from useless. Ronaldo was a big hit even from early stages, de gea made a few error but ironed it out after being dropped for a few games.

Memphis has been stinking the team for 1 whole season.
 
I'll never understand why Sky Sports are taken seriously. 'Sky sources' basically means Twitter.
 
GiddyUp said:
I would be appalled if that is the case. If it was though I think we would hear it from the Mourinho camp. They are not messing around and if there was no deal in place we would of heard it. The guy can command as much money he wants even though I doubt that is his motivation so I can't imagine he would be using this club as leverage in negotiations with another team.
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Your pretty good at putting 2 + 2 together to get to 5. Jose has probably only 2 places to go, back to Real Madrid, if the Zindane project does appear to be working, or to us if LVG goes and the board deviate from the Giggs succession. There is nobody out there other than those 2 who would even entertain paying him what he was on at Chelsea. It appears non of the other big clubs have shown an interest, so why would he be able to demand what he wants.
 
RORY65 said:
Ferguson was regularly a massive twat like Mourinho and they're both serial winners but I must have missed the bit where Ferguson fell out with everyone in his squad and the board after 2 and a bit years in every job and left with an unhappy, tired squad delighted to see the back of him.
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Yup, they seem really happy he's going...
 
RORY65 said:
Ferguson was regularly a massive twat like Mourinho and they're both serial winners but I must have missed the bit where Ferguson fell out with everyone in his squad and the board after 2 and a bit years in every job and left with an unhappy, tired squad delighted to see the back of him.

I have no issue with a manager being here for only 2 or 3 years, that is the norm now, and although Mourinho's football and antics tedious I could get over that quickly enough. The problem I have (well, apart from not wanting Jorge Mendes' influence to grow any greater than it already is) is that he won't just leave in 2 or 3 years but that he'll take at least 12 months to fix the squad that Van Gaal has created, we'll then probably have a really good second season but his pattern everywhere is that it then collapses. He won't just leave after 2 or 3 years, it's that his track record suggests we'll be way worse than we are now when he does.
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We're not back to the third season myth again are we?

In his first spell at Chelsea he came second in the league, reached the CL semis and won the cup in his third season. He didn't get a third season at Porto or Inter because he'd moved to bigger clubs, on the strength of a quite brilliant second season. At Real Madrid in his third season he came second in the league, reached the final of the cup and was one goal away from reaching the CL final.

Only at Chelsea has his third season proved disastrous.
 
Sky1981 said:
De gea, ronaldo, they're not world class player when they first come, but they're far from useless. Ronaldo was a big hit even from early stages, de gea made a few error but ironed it out after being dropped for a few games.

Memphis has been stinking the team for 1 whole season.
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What are you talking about? Everyone raved about Ronaldo because he was dribbling like crazy. He was always the most frustrating player of the time. He used to do a trick every 2 seconds and go from a good position to the corner flag.
 
Robbie Boy said:
I never said a word about finishing fourth or winning the FA Cup so you're barking up the wrong tree with that one. Obviously we won't know anything until the end of the season; I mean, that's just obvious. I'm not one of the ones saying that they expect an announcement if / when we don't get top four.

I love your arrogant confidence on something you know nothing about other than the speculation that takes up every back page. It's quite something Kaggy, I'll give you that. Lets hope the board make the obvious choice and appoint the clearly brilliant Mourinho. Until I hear something official, I'll remain sceptical. I'm sorry but Kag from RedCafe just isn't a strong enough definitive, for me.
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That FA Cup/top four comment was more of a general comment aimed towards the kind of people that persist with pretending that the people in charge at the club are infact totally stupid. Not necessarily you, for which I apologise.

But come on. Of course nothing is official, but it's been the worst kept secret in football for months. Van Gaal has behaved like a man heading for the retirement door for months, even more so in the past week. The BBC (triple sourced) have confirmed that there's been contact with Mourinho. The club has briefed nothing to the English press with regards Van Gaal and future job security.

Numerous journalists have stuck their necks on the line and stated that an outline agreement is in place for the summer, most notably (and recently) a high profile Portuguese paper. Bedy Moratti's remarks added fuel to the fire. Mourinho himself has stated that he'll be in a new job come the summer. Mourinho himself (you would think) would take the United job in a heartbeat.

The club has actively sought to push back the renewal deadline for season tickets. The club is, by all accounts, undergoing big transitions throughout the academy and scouting departments. Why would it go to all of this effort and expense when the current manager is struggling to challenge for top honours? Particularly when an outstanding candidate (one who has been extensively linked to the club) is available and overwhelmingly popular amongst an increasingly agitated fan base.

There's more to the Mourinho saga than mere white noise. There's actually a lot of evidence to suggest he will be our next manager, and it isn't just a case of an arrogant gut feeling. Ultimately, I need to caveat all this by saying I could be completely wrong, I'm incredibly confident that Mourinho will be here come July and have been since around February.
 
RORY65 said:
I think to believe that Woodward and the rest of the board have a clear plan is giving them credit they've done very little to deserve. From what it looks like to me, Woodward would like to find a reason to keep Van Gaal and if we finish strongly (i.e. make 4th and win the cup final) then I would expect him to remain. It's not a very good way of running a club where our future could be decided by one dodgy refereeing decision or a flukey result but this is the same board that appointed David Moyes, leaked his dismissal before telling him and who didn't sack Van Gaal in December.
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I think that they had a clear plan. Van Gaal for three years, then Giggs to take over the mantle. The project has failed, really. I would be staggered if Woodward, the bloke in charge of the biggest football club on earth, responsible for its on-the-field and (more importantly?) financial success, would be willing to gamble on its future on the basis of a flukey winning goal at the end of the season. He either believes that Van Gaal/Giggs are the right men or he doesn't. Woodward himself can't afford another poor season.

We're re-structuring all across the club. I find it bizarre that some people think we can be so meticulous on one hand, but completely ambivalent on the other.
 
Kag said:
That FA Cup/top four comment was more of a general comment aimed towards the kind of people that persist with pretending that the people in charge at the club are infact totally stupid. Not necessarily you, for which I apologise.

But come on. Of course nothing is official, but it's been the worst kept secret in football for months. Van Gaal has behaved like a man heading for the retirement door for months, even more so in the past week. The BBC (triple sourced) have confirmed that there's been contact with Mourinho. The club has briefed nothing to the English press with regards Van Gaal and future job security.

Numerous journalists have stuck their necks on the line and stated that an outline agreement is in place for the summer, most notably (and recently) a high profile Portuguese paper. Bedy Moratti's remarks added fuel to the fire. Mourinho himself has stated that he'll be in a new job come the summer. Mourinho himself (you would think) would take the United job in a heartbeat.

The club has actively sought to push back the renewal deadline for season tickets. The club is, by all accounts, undergoing big transitions throughout the academy and scouting departments. Why would it go to all of this effort and expense when the current manager is struggling to challenge for top honours? Particularly when an outstanding candidate (one who has been extensively linked to the club) is available and overwhelmingly popular amongst an increasingly agitated fan base.

There's more to the Mourinho saga than mere white noise. There's actually a lot of evidence to suggest he will be our next manager, and it isn't just a case of an arrogant gut feeling. Ultimately, I need to caveat all this by saying I could be completely wrong, I'm incredibly confident that Mourinho will be here come July and have been since around February.
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Don't want to dampen anyone's hopes (I'm as anti-LVG as anyone) but there's an alternative narrative here. The remodelling of the academy and scouting systems could have been done at LVG's instruction (he is, after all, a recognised expert in the field of youth development). There've been plenty of reports saying LVG is staying (although admittedly not from anyone as copper-bottomed as Di Marzio). The BBC have confirmed contact, but nothing more. The club has briefed nothing to the press about Mourinho. And LVG has apparently taken an active role in planning the club's summer tour.

I hope Mourinho comes but there's certainly two ways you could spin the evidence gleaned thus far.
 
I still believe nothing is done.
Anyway, people should take their minds of this until something is announced.
 
I really don't want Jose here. He seemed to suffer a mental breakdown before Chelski sacked him. He has no connection/affection with/for Manchester United. He would be here today gone tomorrow and we'd be looking for another replacement soon anyway. Besides, if I'm honest, I just don't like the guy. Giggs is, for me, a non-starter. I see Celtic have been urged to "open the purse" and try to sign up the ROI double-act of O'Neill and Keane. That would be my dream team too and I don't understand why there is seemingly no traction for that story in the press or here.
 
JohnnyKills said:
Don't want to dampen anyone's hopes (I'm as anti-LVG as anyone) but there's an alternative narrative here. The remodelling of the academy and scouting systems could have been done at LVG's instruction (he is, after all, a recognised expert in the field of youth development). There've been plenty of reports saying LVG is staying (although admittedly not from anyone as copper-bottomed as Di Marzio). The BBC have confirmed contact, but nothing more. The club has briefed nothing to the press about Mourinho. And LVG has apparently taken an active role in planning the club's summer tour.

I hope Mourinho comes but there's certainly two ways you could spin the evidence gleaned thus far.
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There's merit to all of that, no doubt. I genuinely don't believe any of that to be the case, but it's plausible all the same.
 
DenisIrwin said:
I really don't want Jose here. He seemed to suffer a mental breakdown before Chelski sacked him. He has no connection/affection with/for Manchester United. He would be here today gone tomorrow and we'd be looking for another replacement soon anyway. Besides, if I'm honest, I just don't like the guy. Giggs is, for me, a non-starter. I see Celtic have been urged to "open the purse" and try to sign up the ROI double-act of O'Neill and Keane. That would be my dream team too and I don't understand why there is seemingly no traction for that story in the press or here.
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Nonsense, Jose since his days at Porto (even despite the over celebrated goal celebration) has always been respected and has showed a great affection towards Manchester United and Sir Alex Ferguson.

I can't see no white text so I assume you aren't joking. Judging by your username I guess the only reason why you'd want them two is because of their nationality and nothing more seeing as neither have a record worthy of managing this football club. Also the fact people complain about Jose antics yet you'd want Roy Keane at the club, the mind boggles.
 
Mister_Stubbs said:
Nonsense, Jose since his days at Porto (even despite the over celebrated goal celebration) has always been respected and has showed a great affection towards Manchester United and Sir Alex Ferguson.

I can't see no white text so I assume you aren't joking. Judging by your username I guess the only reason why you'd want them two is because of their nationality and nothing more seeing as neither have a record worthy of managing this football club. Also the fact people complain about Jose antics yet you'd want Roy Keane at the club, the mind boggles.
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There are a couple of threads on the "Talking Reds" message board on the official website where someone calling himself gav81 has rather eloquently argued his case against concerns such as yours. I only mention that because I couldn't put it better myself and am hesitent to plagiarize or copy&paste. Maybe have a read?
 
JohnnyKills said:
Don't want to dampen anyone's hopes (I'm as anti-LVG as anyone) but there's an alternative narrative here. The remodelling of the academy and scouting systems could have been done at LVG's instruction (he is, after all, a recognised expert in the field of youth development). There've been plenty of reports saying LVG is staying (although admittedly not from anyone as copper-bottomed as Di Marzio). The BBC have confirmed contact, but nothing more. The club has briefed nothing to the press about Mourinho. And LVG has apparently taken an active role in planning the club's summer tour.

I hope Mourinho comes but there's certainly two ways you could spin the evidence gleaned thus far.
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Remodeling of the academy and scouting, and planning the pre season tour are business-as-usual activities of any incumbent club manager. They do not indicate anything other than the manager carrying out his contractual work.
 
I still believe LvG will survive with a top 4 finish. Top 3 was most likely the target, but 4th will do for Woody and the board, coupled with an FA Cup and they will most likely see this as a good season.
 
DenisIrwin said:
There are a couple of threads on the "Talking Reds" message board on the official website where someone calling himself gav81 has rather eloquently argued his case against concerns such as yours. I only mention that because I couldn't put it better myself and am hesitent to plagiarize or copy&paste. Maybe have a read?
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Nothing I read on a fans forum will convince me why a double act of two failed managers would be a better choice than a serial winner.
 
DenisIrwin said:
I really don't want Jose here. He seemed to suffer a mental breakdown before Chelski sacked him. He has no connection/affection with/for Manchester United. He would be here today gone tomorrow and we'd be looking for another replacement soon anyway. Besides, if I'm honest, I just don't like the guy. Giggs is, for me, a non-starter. I see Celtic have been urged to "open the purse" and try to sign up the ROI double-act of O'Neill and Keane. That would be my dream team too and I don't understand why there is seemingly no traction for that story in the press or here.
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Let me get this straight, you want oneill and Keane to lead the club, over a proven elite level multi continent manager, based on the fact you don't like the man?

I remember a few old fans back in the day who didn't like fergie or his attitude, they thought he was the wrong man for the role.

Madness still prevails amongst our fans I see.
 
DenisIrwin said:
I really don't want Jose here. He seemed to suffer a mental breakdown before Chelski sacked him. He has no connection/affection with/for Manchester United. He would be here today gone tomorrow and we'd be looking for another replacement soon anyway. Besides, if I'm honest, I just don't like the guy. Giggs is, for me, a non-starter. I see Celtic have been urged to "open the purse" and try to sign up the ROI double-act of O'Neill and Keane. That would be my dream team too and I don't understand why there is seemingly no traction for that story in the press or here.
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Don't know what's funnier, calling them 2 the dream team or actually wanting them over Mourinho. :lol:
 
prath92 said:
What are you talking about? Everyone raved about Ronaldo because he was dribbling like crazy. He was always the most frustrating player of the time. He used to do a trick every 2 seconds and go from a good position to the corner flag.
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You're rewriting history dude, Ronaldo can be frustrating at times but it's not due to his ineptness, it's more about being selfish (while he's not at that godly level yet to be selfish), go ahead and dig old thread about him and people will say he's the most exciting players in a long time.

Definitely heaven and earth different between Memphis who lost the ball looking stupid and can't stop trying, he got worse as our campaign goes by while Ronaldo and DDG shows steady improvement.

waiting and patience is good, should we kept Luke Chadwick? Bebe? Dong Fangzhuo? Because hey maybe after 5 years in the league they finally found their tools of the trade and becomes the BPOTW
 
DenisIrwin said:
I really don't want Jose here. He seemed to suffer a mental breakdown before Chelski sacked him. He has no connection/affection with/for Manchester United. He would be here today gone tomorrow and we'd be looking for another replacement soon anyway. Besides, if I'm honest, I just don't like the guy. Giggs is, for me, a non-starter. I see Celtic have been urged to "open the purse" and try to sign up the ROI double-act of O'Neill and Keane. That would be my dream team too and I don't understand why there is seemingly no traction for that story in the press or here.
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Does SAF has any connection/affection with manchester United back in 86??

If the board at that time following your logic we won't ended up with SAF, we'd ended up with some senior ex player going into management.
 
DenisIrwin said:
I really don't want Jose here. He seemed to suffer a mental breakdown before Chelski sacked him. He has no connection/affection with/for Manchester United. He would be here today gone tomorrow and we'd be looking for another replacement soon anyway. Besides, if I'm honest, I just don't like the guy. Giggs is, for me, a non-starter. I see Celtic have been urged to "open the purse" and try to sign up the ROI double-act of O'Neill and Keane. That would be my dream team too and I don't understand why there is seemingly no traction for that story in the press or here.
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On the contrary, he has shown nothing but respect and admiration for United many a time.

So you're going to use one bad season as evidence of a game breaker regarding one of the most decorated managers out there and argue that we should do a dual-management strategy consisting of un-proven un-elite personnel. Right.
 
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