He went from Madrid to Chelsea and immediately won the league.. A bad few months this season doesn't constitute a permanent decline in quality.
BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho
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He went from Madrid to Chelsea and immediately won the league.. A bad few months this season doesn't constitute a permanent decline in quality.
Just because you spent £175 and he spent £0 doesn't make you the better fan!
I don't really agree with him (I think Mourinho would be a good appointment for United), but in fairness to Twigginator, at least he is consistent with his opinion (on this matter at least). He hated Mourinho before and didn't want him to manage the club, and now, despite the reports suggesting that Mourinho will be taking over, he still feels the same about Mourinho. There are plenty of United fans on here that regularly criticised Mourinho's antics and brand of football, amongst other things, and who claimed that they did not want him anywhere near the club, that are now taking a completely different stance and who are now trying to make him out to be a loveable jerk, rather than the prick that he is.
It is pretty similar with Guardiola, plenty who wanted him are now saying that he can only do it when he has great players, that he is not as good as Mourinho and that they never wanted him, despite saying the opposite before it was made official that he will be going to City. It is not something that is unique to United fans, that is the fickle nature of football and the fans of pretty much every other club are similar. Still though, fair play to the people that are being consistent with their opinions and are not just changing it now because it looks like Mourinho will be taking over.
It is pretty similar with Guardiola, plenty who wanted him are now saying that he can only do it when he has great players, that he is not as good as Mourinho and that they never wanted him, despite saying the opposite before it was made official that he will be going to City. It is not something that is unique to United fans, that is the fickle nature of football and the fans of pretty much every other club are similar. Still though, fair play to the people that are being consistent with their opinions and are not just changing it now because it looks like Mourinho will be taking over.
It was always going to be hard to keep Pique happy. No chance could we have started him ahead of Rio or Vidic at the time. Whereas Evans was not only happy to be back up, Imo he had impressed more than Pique when he did play
Pogba situation remains a mystery though.
He didn't immediately win the league, he had a poor first season as well relatively speaking.
I think most who have wanted Mourinho have been fairly consistent in wanting him, spare a bit of wavering when he left Chelsea this time around.
What does money have to do with it? You forgetting the money Chelsea made whilst he was there.
Anyway Van Gaal has spent shitloads and we look nowhere near title challenges.
82 points and 4 points from winning the league is a poor first season ?
There are plenty of us out here that feel this way. I would personally have my eyes bleed watching United under Van Gaal's mind boggling philosophy than watching the same utter shite served up by a complete cockbiscuit like Mourinho!
What is wrong with some of you people?
I suppose you would tolerate him bringing in JT as club captain should the board be knee jerkingly short-sighted enough to bring this moron to OT?
Stopping Liverpool winning it makes me hold him in greater stead than winning it, to be honest.
Would be nice. I'm not sure how much it's a conscious plan though - I suspect that the attributes that make him successful also lead to burn-out after three seasons.
Bringing up how much money you spend...
I think that bar that Fulham match (I am not sure even if it was Fulham, but remember Anelka skinning him), he was quite good in his last season for us. Combined with his performances for Zaragoza the previous year, and his amazing technique, it wasn't difficult to predict how good he'll become. Obviously, it was difficult to give him a lot of matches, considering that Rio and Vidic were 2 of the best CBs in the world (together with Terry, Pyoul and Nesta), but I think that maybe the situation could have been managed better.
While I don't think that Evans played better than him (the following season), Evans was very promising too, which might have played a part in that decision.
Pogba's case is totally unexplained. We had a single good midfielder in our team. Everyone and its dog (including wingers in the end of their career, young right backs, Sir Tom of Cleverley, Anderson on his fourth consecutive last chance, and retired players) were getting matches in our midfield, but our most promising midfielder (heck, player) since Paul Scholes wasn't getting a game there. It was madness!
We would have someone who can go toe to toe with Pep but who out there can go toe to toe with Ranieri?
I don't think he would serve up the same shite as LVG. Mourinho has fielded teams who have been creative and scored plenty of goals at times although he is very pragmatic in his approach to some big games I agree. Who cares if he's a 'cockbiscuit'? If he wins trophies, which you would expect given his credentials combined with United's spending power, I would be happy.
After the two recent managerial debacles, (and yes I am considering LVG, who is still in charge, a debacle) I'm inclined to not get any hopes raised. The debate over Jose's track record and his pros and cons aside, I'd rather we wait for any manager that come in be judged on what he produces on the pitch before getting excited or dismayed.
Having said that, I'm glad that the board has decided to initiate this because Giggs would be a suicidal appointment. I know I might sound like I'm contradicting myself here.
Having said that, I'm glad that the board has decided to initiate this because Giggs would be a suicidal appointment. I know I might sound like I'm contradicting myself here.
I know....
. Its already been highlighted in another thread for folks to have a laugh . Must say , am embarrassed but hey ho!The sad thing is that a lot us are backing Mourinho as the new manager because we are simply out of options now. It's getting to the point of hiring him or naming Giggs as manager after Klopp, Ancelotti, and Guardiola were all names we could've gotten. I will always support the new manager but I still think it will be a sad day for the club that we hired Mou because we were basically pushed into a corner.
Massive contradiction. In other words you're just sitting on the fence. The decision makers don't have this luxury.
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Do you want a medal?
No no don't get me wrong. I am glad we are hiring him. But I don't dare to hope for good results despite his proven winner status.
Not thrilled, spent two seasons setting up the club in the opposite direction. Then there's the short-termism of Mourinho's previous methods and his massive failure last season with a better squad. Hopefully he'll have me eating my words.
I still somewhat hope we go for Pochettino in the summer instead but he might even want to leave Tottenham so yeah Mou might indeed be our only real option.
He was the one most on here wanted to take over from Fergie, that's for sure.
Others are probably seeing him as the best candidate for the job at this stage, so whether he's their actual top boy or not doesn't really matter.
Others again are seeing him as something close to a necessary evil at this stage.
I don't see many who have done a proper u-turn on him, i.e. people who positively loathed him who are now singing his praises. That rarely happens on here, even though people like to portray it as such.
It's a myth that Mourinho's sides play only tumescent defensive football which is awful to watch. What he is, is pragmatic. He'll set out not to get beat in certain games - just like Fergie did. But his aides have entertained. Nobody called them boring when they were scoring goals for fun last season. He recognised later in the year they were struggling and modified accordingly to get the title won. It's what good managers do.
In the PL the only side who have tried to play attacking football the sabe say the years is Arsenal - and it's left them soft in games against big sides and cost them titles.
Guardiola might crack it and get consistency and great play every week, but it's a tough prospect here - certainly tougher than anywhere else.
All in all some may not like Mourinho and I can understand why - although he's not a million miles from Fergie in my book in terms of attitude, desire and confidence.
Surely, as a fan you need to believe in your club and at the very least hope for the best?
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I blindly trusted Sir Alex when he appointed Moyes. The rest of your post pretty much convey my feelings on Mourinho.
Mate hoping for the best has been the tag line of our club since Moyes. But seriously yea I do hope for better which is why I'm pleased we've moved for Jose. I just don't think its going to be as rosy as I'd like to believeThe sad part of that is, Moyes wasn't 1st choice but SAF went the route of recommending the 4th choice manager having stated that he'd never again buy stop gap players....well, he went the way of appointing the managerial equivalent of Ralph Milne!
I was in that boat. Huge mistake getting Moyes obviously. If we had Mourinho right after Fergie I think we would be in a much better position now.
He looks a good prospect but isn't without risk. Overachieving at clubs is fine. Success when it's expected is much harder.
United have been backed into a corner and it's all spun out from mistakenly appointing Moyes. LVG was the only choice at the time with other top managers in jobs.
Mourinho is as close to guaranteeing challenging for honours as you can get. Obviously he comes with baggage - but hopefully he can settle down here and find a long term home. If not, at the very least he should get the club back to the top table in the short term.
3 years is about as long term as you're going to get!
I really don't like Mourinho but he clearly is a very good manager. Heart wouldn't touch him with a barge pole but head says he would probably be the best appointment we could make in terms of becoming genuinely competitive again.
I wish we had gone for Ancelotti, I've wanted him for years, but as it stands I'll grudgingly admit Mourinho is the best available man for the job and just hope if we do get him that he doesn't act like a total prick.
I wish we had gone for Ancelotti, I've wanted him for years, but as it stands I'll grudgingly admit Mourinho is the best available man for the job and just hope if we do get him that he doesn't act like a total prick.
The problem? what choice does the club have, its the same with pep, is it going to be has rosey for them? city are doing so bad, their only saving brace they are not has bad as us, just about better. So both city and united may very well not get what they want right away, city may not get the taste of what Barca fans have gotten between 2008-11, united fans may not get what chelsea got between 2004-06, but? we do not know. If Mourinho is on form and makes what I call common sense signings to our weakened positions, we may do something better than the garbage we have been served by both Moyes and VG, who have been some of the worst top flight managers at a top club
Sums up my thoughts too actually. Thanks!
His contract is until Summer 2017. Mourinho won't wait 18 months, he is not that desperate for United.
If things are going well, where would he leave to go to?
Yeah, terrible first season in which they were miles better than for the 3 before.
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