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BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho
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Sure, but they were working under different conditions. Fergie could have got 3 years without winning the league and do crap in Europe, and no-one would have think to sack him? If Mourinho didn't win the league or UCL in any season, there was a good chance he was going to be sacked. You understand the difference? One was brought here to built the club, the other was hired from those clubs to win trophies? Win trophies even in a higher rate than Fergie was doing.
Why on Earth I am wasting time with you though? You wanked yourself to death when we hired that fool as our manager, so of course, you won't like us to hire a decent manager.
Oh for sure I don't want Giggs anywhere near the manager's job. If it were between both, I would take Jose only for his experience and the fact he's won everything. Giggs needs to go away as I've said a million times, prove himself elsewhere. It would not be good for him to be thrown into this job - and worse for us.
Also, Giggs has an incestuous business relationship with Lim and probably would be very easily influenced by Mendes - even if indirectly. I mean, Giggs and co92 are no match for those kinds of bastards. I can also see Giggs putting his friends in key positions behind the scenes whether or not they have the skill to do the job. So appointing him would be bad in more ways than one. In effect, it would lead to Mendes/Lim or whoever else is co92 business partners put their mits into United and bleed it dry whilst probably leaving us with dross like at Valencia (as I've said).
My wish is that we give no manager too much power from now onwards and that there is someone else there that they will be accountable to, whilst that person looks to move on our footballing set up. That's all I'm trying to say. And I don't trust Jose to do this with integrity.
The team wasn't supposed to be built back, Moratti had no intention of spending money. Mourinho's and Inter's ambitions were completely different.
Mate no offense but you were posting the other day about not bothering watching the Stoke game, whereas I paid 45.00 to be there. There's a level of difference in our support to the club and I think I'm just more interested in the idea of Manchester United as some amazing romantic thing in my life whereas you obviously have different priorities.
Yeah Mourinho's ambitions were "Oh shit I don't have unlimited transfer funds.... I better feck off without having to deal with this mess."
Incredible.
He did finish 11th once, but my point isnt that he did.
Its that he was written off too. It got really bad at the time, with the 'shredding his legacy at every turn' article being the apex of it.
Well you can mock him for not winning trophies for years until recently, but Wenger did well to survive through the rise of City and Chelsea. A period which included his quality young players signing for rivals- not because of Arsene being shit, but because they were skint after building the new stadium.
He's certainly a better manager than City have had in living memory. Given the lack of investment Arsenal have put into their team until recently the one word you should describe AW as is astute..
While their purse strings have loosened quite a lot in recent years (which has shown on the pitch winning things, btw) Arsene isn't one to dump £16m on on an untalented donkey, as you seem to describe Welbeck
anyway, off topic..
If Mourinho is the next manager I'll expect results to pick up and better football than we've seen until recently this year. He likes to counter attack, which is when we're at our best as a club.
I hope he utilises the academy as there are talented players coming through (Even English ones, believe it or not Revan), but it's not an absolute deal breaker like some of his more aggressive actions in the past would be for me.
Inter got rid of Sneijder because of his wage, they literally forced him out of the club, it's not about unlimited fund, it's about a club who had no intention of replacing their retiring key players and on top of that wanted to get rid of all the big wages and valuable players.
Mourinho's ambitions aren't different to SAF's ambitions when he decided to join St Mirren in October because they were a more ambitious club.
Soccer Saturday has become a bit of a joke of a programme now. I stopped watching it a long time ago.
He finished 11th before he made Utd into the force it became. But afterwards such was his consistency it was considered a crisis when we finished 3rd.
Yeah I know you were joking but I honestly completely forgot about my tagline
all for gigsThreadmarks should be used in these threads as well. I gather only the first post is the only one of interest in this thread?
I hope it too. WOuld be very disappointed if he doesn't give at least some chances to Januzaj, Pereira, CBJ (English) and Wilson (English). I think that it would be more difficult for Wilson, cause Mourinho likes experienced strikers, but still.
However, it wouldn't be a deal breaker for me. We have had three good squad players produced from our academy in the last 20 years. So, it wouldn't be a that big deal if this continues, as long as we are successful in the pitch.
Perez maybe.. but he struggled with other major political players in the team, like Casillas, Ramos and Ronaldo. Galactico power is strong at the club. At United once Rooney goes.. no such issue.
Because he has a tendency to fall out with the entire squad which is a tad different than falling out with a player or two every now and then.
Maybe Mourinho will be able to tell us how to get twice what they're worth when we sell our players, rather than half.
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Now that I can live with.
As regards the vote, it's not a straight Yes/No answer. Not happy, no, but I would accept that now he's probably our best option.
Have I missed something? Everyone seems to be talking about this as though he's definitely going to be our new manager but all I've seen is a report on the BBC that there have been talks. Is everyone just assuming this is fact or was there something more concrete?
Even in other threads about players etc, it's "if Mourinho wants him" and the like....
Even in other threads about players etc, it's "if Mourinho wants him" and the like....
You must be new here.
you might have a point if we're not that far behind, say 2nd or 3rd after Fergie, but desperate times needs drastic measures. The next 2-3 years will decide the fate of Manchester United, whether it'll become THE United or another Liverpool in the making.
Maybe later when we're abit more settled we can entertain the romantism, but not now.
Besides, shifting the power to just anyone but Mou is not a guaranteed success, as I've said many times a bad DOF is far more dangerous, it's like a sleeping cancer you have no idea of the damage until it's too late, on the contrary giving everything to the manager has one key advantages i.e. you know when it's not going well and you can take action.
You won't be around when he's no longer manager. If he joined another club you'd be going and discussing that team. The rest of us will still be around and caring about Utd while you won't.
What players were rumoured to have caused problems for Moyes (and Van Gaal if there were any)? I remember reading about Ferdinand and Giggs, but Ferdinand is gone and Mourinho will probably get a different assistant (if I were Mourinho, I would not want him as my assistant). Were there any other players? All club have these types of players that have power in the dressing room and who like to throw their weight around. If Mourinho can start the job without these types of players, then he will be in a very good position. Not many managers get to start working at a new club with all of the heavyweights in the dressing room removed, even managers of small clubs have to deal with such players. That said, when some big players in the dressing room are removed, others take their place. When Raul and Guti were at the club, Ramos did not have much power in the dressing room. When they left, he took their place.
I guess we've got carried away then 
even the BBC are now saying it's just a rumour...
even the BBC are now saying it's just a rumour...Fergie wanted to keep Pogba, so not really the same.
Since when did solid evidence stand in the way of the caf declaring the second coming of Christ?
They are?I guess we've got carried away then
Moyes had all of SAFs squad intact. RVP, Rooney even someone like Hernandez had an ego. We had Evra, Rio, Giggs and the likes of Neville and Scholes off the pitch.The problem was every star player we had was past their peak and yet had a huge ego... so Moyes was put in a horrible position considering he had zero experience of dealing with that calibre of players.
Even Mourinho would have struggled that first year but he would have had the nous to get rid of all of em and bring in the right replacements. Someone like Evra could have stayed as he still had legs.
But yeah once Rooney goes... next manager is in a brilliant position. Klopp is fortunate that Gerrard killed off Rodgers and then left.
I dunno, the kind of cloud Mourinho tends to leave in his wake when things go wrong might just put us right back where we started post-fergie. A one-season wonder wouldn't stop people (those within football) looking at us like we are in terminal decline, we need some kind of consistent success over the longer term.
I think he desperately wanted to come here and when we made it obvious we didn't want him, which I think we did. He went back to Chelsea. I think he will love it at United and will behave. He will know exactly how the club will want him to carry out his job.
Exactly. As much as a lot of the fans are wary of his antics, and rightly so, we didn't really have much of a choice. He wants to manage us, there's no other real alternatives esp once Ancellotti went to bayern. We could try poch but that would be a riskier option esp given pep is going to be there across the town.
Again, my main point was to emphasize how Fergie came back from being written off , and facinf a massive low point in his career which included being knocked out of the UCL group stages in 2005, to taking lessons from that and going on to create his best ever side.
I'm not saying Fergie faced exactly similar situations. I'm showing an example of why it may not mean Jose's best days are behind him.
I even gave an even better example in Van Gaal who came back from his slump to reach a European cup final (that he unfortunately lost to Jose). That you've ignored.
Traditions has nothing to do with the matter. Having your own youths in the team makes sense irrespective of tradition. It's a cheap way of bringing talent to the team and considering that they tend to be more loyal to the average mercenary, youth talent are great in terms of players retention
However like anything else (ex buying players) the youth academy is a tool to success. The latter must remain the main aim and nothing else cause no one should be bigger then the club. Also like any other tool it must be used wisely. Most of the time its counter produce to retain average players who do not have the potential to become regular first team players(youth/imported player) as they will probably strip gameplay from youth players (youth/imported) who can. It happened with Pogba (Clev) and may happen again with Januzaj (Lingard)
You gave a good example with Phil. He was an average player however he was versatile. That skill could have been the one redeeming aspect needed to justify his place with us. However what tipped my balance against retaining him was his rash tackles in the box which knocked England us and nearly ruined our treble run (FA cup game against Arsenal). You can't have players like that in defense same as you can't have defenders whose can't defend or are all over the place. TBF SAF finally acknowledged that and moved him further away from defense. At this point I was in favour in keeping him and thought that we sold him too soon.
Finally you need to acknowledge that we come from different cultures. We don't mind laughing at our players especially those who show extreme traits or positions (ex over loyalty to a cause ex Zanetti and Chiellini or stupidity/chavness (ex Totti)) Its innocent banter that no one takes at heart. In matter of fact, sometimes players even join the banter themselves.
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