Agree with that. I don't buy the line that he'd already decided to go to Chelsea. I don't believe it at all. SAF wanted Moyes and he made sure we ended up with him. That's all there is to it.
BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho
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No they didn't, don't make shit up.I guess we've got carried away theneven the BBC are now saying it's just a rumour...
Might be because there is nothing on the skysports website about it
When did Jose fall out with the entire squad though?
I'm pretty certain he will be our manager.
But we all know how we will play it from here on. We won't announce him for months and the fans will start to panic it won't happen. Van Gaal will be asked about it tomorrow and claim he doesn't have a clue what they are talking about and he wants to see out his contract, causing more confusion and a meltdown.
The clubs needs to announce it as soon as it happens. It is apparently 'close' now but they will probably wait till the season is over like they did with Van Gaal.
But we all know how we will play it from here on. We won't announce him for months and the fans will start to panic it won't happen. Van Gaal will be asked about it tomorrow and claim he doesn't have a clue what they are talking about and he wants to see out his contract, causing more confusion and a meltdown.
The clubs needs to announce it as soon as it happens. It is apparently 'close' now but they will probably wait till the season is over like they did with Van Gaal.
What are you talking about? I watched the entire game, and haven't missed a single game this season. You're nuts. Although, your comment doesn't surprise me. You've been talking out your arse for months, now.
Great news. I'm a big Mourinho supporter. I love his style and his accomplishments speak for themselves.
Hopefully the news is true and we've seen the last of LVG after the season.
Hopefully the news is true and we've seen the last of LVG after the season.
In the thread before the Stoke game you were telling someone that they shouldn't bother watching the game, and you don't know why you're tempted to watch.
"WUM alert" should have told you something.
I said I don't blame him for not watching. I'm not going to argue about who's a better fan. I'm not insecure.
Oh, I know. That last comment was a bit annoying, though. Questioning someone's support should never be a joke. There are some lines one should not cross.
There was an article I just read where they ask if Mourinho would be the right man 'in light of the rumours'. I very much want it to be true so I'd prefer that people don't jinx it too much or get my hopes up until there's something more concrete
If it's true then these "talks" shouldn't have been leaked to the press while VG is still manager. It's unfair on him and United should know how to behave by now. They've been around long enough and this behaviour (if true) is just tacky.
That depends, I always thought United was different, but if it was just because it stumbled upon SAF and turns out to be just another rich club going nowhere my interest will probably fade. But I can't promise I won't comment on Mourinho's performances.
None of Mourinho's teams have had any real emphasise on bring through youth players. Who says the United board won't ask Mourinho about his plans in this situation?
Well if you don't want people to question your support, don't congratulate people for not watching the game and say you don't know if to watch it. I mean I'm not twisting your words, you talked about not watching the game.
I spent over 175.00 going to watch United on Tuesday night and you're telling people not to watch the game.
Shouldn't inter be budget too
You're privileged enough to be able to do that, good for you. Don't deride others for not having similar opportunities though, that's just bad form.
Not sure the big power house teams will be bringing kids through. They might have young players in their sides, but most will be brought in from other lesser clubs academies when near finished articles. The big clubs have to be successful so will no longer give kids time to develop in the first team or they will be left behind. Also we have some good kids, not outstanding kids.
At the moment I'm a student living off whatever I can. I walked to Old Trafford and while I was there didn't spend a penny. A large portion of that money was an £80.00 Bastian shirt that I will hopefully be reinbursed for. I am not in any way especially privileged and I don't normally bring it up, but when we've got someone who congratulates others not watching the game wishing for me to call a suicide prevention hotline then it's going to irk me.
Real, Chelsea, other teams he usually wasn't long enough for it to happen.
Even if Real wasn't the entire squad, half of it is usually enough to get a team to under perform severely.
I swear that I have seen you bringing it up more than the entire other Caftards combined. And there are hundreds of people here who go to OT regularly.
Yeah I've got bloody tickets off half of them.
We're going nowhere currently. Appointing Mourinho could either see us continuing to go nowhere or improve. Given you've no vested interest on what's best for Utd it won't affect you.
I did, with good logic.
They were players who were part of our academy and promoted to the first team. We didn't develop them since they were 10 but they spent time there adjusting and learning. As I said the academy is supposed to give you good footballers who you have to turn into a top players. Beyond that, it can't do more. Just like Woodward can't do more than deliver us Di Maria when he is asked to give us one of the best creative footballers. Beyond that, LVG has to make the most of the footballer he's been given. Over the last 15 years, in terms of footballing talent, the academy or our youth system has given us Brown, Oshea, Pogba, Rossi, Fletcher, Pique, Welbeck, Januzaj and Periera. Loads of talent and good footballers there for us to make the most of. Maybe we need to make better use of what it gave us, and maybe we can improve what it actually did give us, but the notion that it is failing us, or "atrocious" is illogical.
His Inter spell was as long as the one at Madrid. So was his first Chelsea spell.
The players he supposedly fell out with at Madrid were still perfoming. Ronaldo for example. The one that didnt was Casillas, and Mourinho was vindicated on that one as he dropped him, and it was proven that he was finished even after Mou had left.
The Chelsea players he fell out with havent improved post Mou. One of those (Hazard) has even come out admitting that he sent a text to Mourinho basically admitting that he let him down and apologizing for his poor form.
Joae isnt a saint. But some of the accusations leveled against him are simply not true.
Doubt LVG wants to stay longer than his contract. He's old and wants to retire soon.
We do, but the first and most important step is to ensure the post-Fergie drought doesn't start to grow.
He may not leave clubs in brilliant shape, but it's exaggerated how much he ruins them... generally nothing too long-term or structural. Here's what his recent clubs have won in the 3 seasons after he left:
Chelsea: 1 Premier League, 2 FA Cups
Inter: 1 Coppa Italia
Real (2 seasons): 1 Copa del Rey, 1 Champions League
...it's a lot more than we've managed post-Fergie!
Then good riddance really.
For some of us, the last three years under Moyes and Van Gaal have been absolute torture, but at no point have we decided to adjust our interest just because we didnt like what was going on. Thats just being a fairweather fan.
To you , we might just be another rich club, and you'll only truly be happy when we hire a manager that pleases you. For the rest of us, whether Kenny Daglish or Sir Matt is manager, this is not just another club.
Follow Van Gaal to AC Milan instead.
That's a matter of opinion. At least the choice for Van Gaal was the choice to take the club in a certain direction by a specific approach. And it wasn't the easy choice, it was a bold choice.
It won't affect me as much, but it will affect me in the sense that I won't care as much and therefore not enjoy the PL as much. But in the 25 years of the PL I've never hoped United would lose a match and that can't be said of all appearently unconditional supporters here.
Pique was 17 when we signed him. That is just a year younger than Ronaldo and Rooney (at the time we signed them). In that aspect, he is product of our academy around as much as them (or Cesc/RVP at Arsenal). Rossi was 17 too and spent one year in academy. Pogba was a couple of years younger though, so likely we had an important part on developing him.
Still, the role of the academy is to produce players for the first team. Ours hasn't been doing so. We have produced Fletch, O'Shea and Brown who have been quite good squad players (in Fletch's case he was awful in the first few years, but in the last couple of years he reached almost Carrick's level). That is it. We produced a few average ones in Welbeck and Evans who were more shit than good for most part and then we get rid of them, neither of them exactly proving to have been that great, and a few very shit ones like Cleverley, Gibson, Eagles etc.
So yep, since the class of 92, we have produced 3-5 good squad players, and no world class player (or a level below that), which in my opinion is quite atrocious. On the other hand we poached 2 players with world class potential and they left because of lack of chances given, and an another great players who left for the same reason. While I could understand Rossi (we had many great attacking players), not giving chances to Evans and Pogba wasn't very nice to do.
This could set us back a few more years, as Mourinho has lost it since the Madrid job and it could turn out to be as bad an appointment as Moyes. As much as I don't appreciate LVG's philosophy I would rather have him continue than have Mourinho as our manager
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I don't think he ruins clubs, but my hope is that he comes here, realises he's running out of big clubs to manage and decides to make a home for himself rather than carry with his previous MO.
yeah after his team was amongst the highest spenders, in his second season there and then completely collapsed in his third season.
his last great accomplishment was with Inter Milan in terms of his being there really being an influence and making a difference in the trajectory of the club and that was six years.
It was the wrong choice.
You may not have but their motivation in thinking that is because they believed that it could lead to one step back and two forward. If one defeat meant better long term results then it would be worth it would it not?
So Pogba does count. Pretty great talent to give to the first team. I'd count Pique as well, to an extent, given he spent some time there unlike Ronaldo and Rooney.
Wrong. The role of the academy is not to provide the first team with players that it will then ensure become great footballers. It is to provide the first team with footballers that are talented enough for the first team to use, and that's what it has done. Fletcher, Brown, Oshea, Pogba, Rossi, Evans, Welbeck, Januzaj and Periera is good set of talents to give to the first team. It is not the academies fault that we fecked up Rossi or Pogba, or couldn't take Welbeck to refine his finishing. And it's not the academies fault that we were so good when some of them broke through that we had EVEN better players. Any other team would be over the bloody moon to have a Rossi in their team at such a low cost. But we had even better players. To hold that against the academy is wrong.
For example, it's now given us a top top talent in Januzaj. It can't do more than that. We as a football club have the responsibility to ensure that top talent becomes a top player. You can't put the burden of delivery of a talent, his early development as well as his development from 19 to 25 on the academy.
No world class player, yes. Well, one, actually in Pogba. And it wasn't the existence of the academy that messed that up.
Anyway we can agree to disagree. I consistently see the academy give us a good supply of talented footballers. Everyone wants the generation Barca and Bayern have recently got, but they won't have that for a long time now either. It only happens in phases.
What is wrong with some of you people?
you are right, i have changed the level of certainty. it won't necessarily happen but i think there is a high probability this will end in more failure
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