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Would you be happy to see Jose Mourinho become next United manager?

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To put another twist on this....

Some of you are condemning Mourinho for his eye poke and his treatment of the physio (two sides to every story etc) but, you make excuses for this man's behaviour









Now, I don't care. I love Eric like he was my own family. But, if some of you are giving it big ones about Mourinho's behaviour and that it's not right for us, perhaps you might want to revise your opinion on the great man himself
 
GiddyUp said:
Crazy, as if two of the shrewdest Irish men were going to give him 500million pound of horse sperm.
It's like your drunk boss told you at the Christmas party you could someday run this company and then marching in to his office the next morning and telling him to get out off that fecking seat or I will sue you.
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Especially when a share in Rock of Gibraltars racing career was a gift in the first place! He met his match in JP and Magnier that's for sure.
 
.Rossi said:
Laughably desperate? Have a word with yourself. If Mourinho was guilty of any of that, you'd be here waving it in everyone's faces.

I can face the facts that Fergie acted the cnut on many occasions, aswell as Mourinho. I don't know why some of you can't.
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I have already stated that I don't have a problem with Mourinho 's behaviour so keep your anger for ppl who actually have a problem with it.
However the poster gave you a couple of major points regarding Mourinho 's behaviour and in response you came up with several non relevant points compared to which Mourinho 's would be much more and worse (to only name a few: personal attack on Ronaldo in 2007 calling his education poor, personal attacks and digs on Wenger and Benitez, claiming there are new rules for the game when United got a decision in their favour in 2007, constantly throwing his players under the bus, publically commenting on Mata/Oscar stats claiming Mata has better stats because he plays in the middle when he was still a Chelsea player, calling Liverpool a small club when you are managing Chelsea of all places, constant moaning about referees, constant need to talk about his successes like Benitez...)
Again, that's all not a reason not to hire him as far as I am concerned, but most of that is worse than most of your points on SAF.
 
Minimalist said:
Whatabouterry

Makes for pretty shit discussion (and even still, actually tell us what you mean). And no off the top of my head I don't remember Mourinho doing much more than Ferguson (in terms of a count) even if some are 'worse'.

The point made is 100% correct. Ferguson was a downright unbearable tosser at times (nodoubtabouttha), loved by United supporters and yet here we are reading hypocrite after hypocrite talk about Mourinho like his behaviour is not 'befitting' of this club. Either be willing to criticise Ferguson (if we wish to say this club shouldn't have a manager like that anymore) or shut up about Mourinho.
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Read my post from a few minutes ago for examples, take a chill pill and then come back if you feel the need
 
united_99 said:
I have already stated that I don't have a problem with Mourinho 's behaviour so keep your anger for ppl who actually have a problem with it.
However the poster gave you a couple of major points regarding Mourinho 's behaviour and in response you came up with several non relevant points compared to which Mourinho 's would be much more and worse (to only name a few: personal attack on Ronaldo in 2007 calling his education poor, personal attacks and digs on Wenger and Benitez, claiming there are new rules for the game when United got a decision in their favour in 2007, constantly throwing his players under the bus, publically commenting on Mata/Oscar stats claiming Mata has better stats because he plays in the middle when he was still a Chelsea player, calling Liverpool a small club when you are managing Chelsea of all places, constant moaning about referees, constant need to talk about his successes like Benitez...)
Again, that's all not a reason not to hire him as far as I am concerned, but most of that is worse than most of your points on SAF.
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No it's not. It's the exact same.

Look at my post again. Fergie accused the FA of fixing the fixtures so United couldn't win the league and even threatened to send someone up to view them doing the fixtures for future reference.
Fergie launched loads of personal attacks on Wenger and Benitez and has done so recently in his latest books with Benitez again, along with the players that won him everything.
Fergie also said he knew we'd lose once Atkinson was a referee (Fair point though)
Fergie called Newcastle a "wee pointless club from the North east" and belittled Pardew for managing them.

Mourinho called Liverpool a small club did he?! Enough reason to hire him that is!

Btw, I have no anger at all tonight. Still buzzing off yesterday
 
.Rossi said:
No it's not. It's the exact same.

Look at my post again. Fergie accused the FA of fixing the fixtures so United couldn't win the league and even threatened to send someone up to view them doing the fixtures for future reference.
Fergie launched loads of personal attacks on Wenger and Benitez and has done so recently in his latest books with Benitez again, along with the players that won him everything.
Fergie also said he knew we'd lose once Atkinson was a referee (Fair point though)
Fergie called Newcastle a "wee pointless club from the North east" and belittled Pardew for managing them.

Mourinho called Liverpool a small club did he?! Enough reason to hire him that is!

Btw, I have no anger at all tonight. Still buzzing off yesterday
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You and your book comments, probably mainly regarding your hero Keane. Keane is also my all time favourite United player but the way he left and his bitterness afterwards left lots of points open which Fergie had the right to write about. Keane mostly has himself to blame for this.
But Fergie also praises him a lot. Same with Becks and RvN. Nothing bad, everything he wrote we already knew. In fact there was mostly high praise for both especially for Becks.
Fergie mostly played mind games whereas Mourinho used to do this but since his last return to the PL he has added personal attacks on managers, calling Benitez fat / pointing to his diet and Wenger a specialist in failure and all that. If he comes here he should focus less on that kind of stuff and instead more on player management and keeping them on his side
 
united_99 said:
You and your book comments, probably mainly regarding your hero Keane. Keane is also my all time favourite United player but the way he left and his bitterness afterwards left lots of points open which Fergie had the right to write about. Keane mostly has himself to blame for this.
But Fergie also praises him a lot. Same with Becks and RvN. Nothing bad, everything he wrote we already knew. In fact there was mostly high praise for both especially for Becks.
Fergie mostly played mind games whereas Mourinho used to do this but since his last return to the PL he has added personal attacks on managers, calling Benitez fat / pointing to his diet and Wenger a specialist in failure and all that. If he comes here he should focus less on that kind of stuff and instead more on player management and keeping them on his side
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Keane? You think I'm writing in this thread, about Mourinho, because of Keane? Keane is not my hero btw. He's just someone I have a lot of respect for, as an Irishman.

Fergie told Wenger to piss off back to Japan, scoffed at his ability as a manager in 1997 and said that Wenger was not intelligent. It's not exactly a million miles away from saying he's a specialist in failure

united_99 said:
Everyone basically. Incredible really.
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As for this, no one has been thrown under any bus. Some of us are pointing out the hypocrisy with people, taking some sort of nonsensical moral high ground over Mourinho's behaviour, when some of our lot have been guilty of things just as bad. Including my "hero" Roy Keane.

It's not throwing them under the bus, it's just facing facts. I've already said none of that bothers me because they were one of us and even said the will to win does things to people at the top
 
Bob Loblaw said:
I despise him but no one has really given a reasonable reply to why a manager would prefer Demba Ba and co to Lukaku or Oscar to De Bruyne.
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Good question, on a similar subject heres another why would a manager prefer Cleverley, Park and Rafael in midfield to Pogba.

I imagine the answer to both will probably be who the feck knows.
 
This thread is like a Summer transfer thread but during the fecking season. Getting really tedious seeing it every day at the top of the message boards. Save your Daily Express articles and ITK Tweets for July.

At the moment this is just a complete merry-go-round of no substance, being fuelled by anticipation and at times even desperation, rather than any remotely concrete news.
 
.Rossi said:
Keane? You think I'm writing in this thread, about Mourinho, because of Keane? Keane is not my hero btw. He's just someone I have a lot of respect for, as an Irishman.

Fergie told Wenger to piss off back to Japan, scoffed at his ability as a manager in 1997 and said that Wenger was not intelligent. It's not exactly a million miles away from saying he's a specialist in failure



As for this, no one has been thrown under any bus. Some of us are pointing out the hypocrisy with people, taking some sort of nonsensical moral high ground over Mourinho's behaviour, when some of our lot have been guilty of things just as bad. Including my "hero" Roy Keane.

It's not throwing them under the bus, it's just facing facts. I've already said none of that bothers me because they were one of us and even said the will to win does things to people at the top
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Well you mentioned twice here how he criticized his players in his book so of course I am mentioning the one he actually criticized (but praises him equally). What's the point in writing a book which is only full of praise? His 2nd autobiography was boring anyway, but at least we got some more insight in chapter's commited to few players
 
united_99 said:
Well you mentioned twice here how he criticized his players in his book so of course I am mentioning the one he actually criticized (but praises him equally). What's the point in writing a book which is only full of praise? His 2nd autobiography was boring anyway, but at least we got some more insight in chapter's commited to few players
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I was more referring to him saying he only ever managed 4 world class players, which was bullshit of the highest order.
The parts about Hargreaves was a bit out of order too and I don't like Hargreaves at all.
 
.Rossi said:
I was more referring to him saying he only ever managed 4 world class players, which was bullshit of the highest order.
The parts about Hargreaves was a bit out of order too and I don't like Hargreaves at all.
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Ronaldo and? Scholes/Giggs? Harsh thing to say but if Ronaldo is the benchmark then he might not be wrong
 
Pogba situation is not similar at all to the situations with De Bruyne and Lukaku at all. Pogba was a highly thought of young player but, he was not the best performing midfielder in our reserves that season. It was understandable that Ferguson was not willing to make him a consistent starter in midfield at 18 just because he asked him too. De Bruyne was someone who proved himself at Genk and Werder Bremen, Lukaku at Anderlecht, West Brom and Everton.
 
united_99 said:
Ronaldo and? Scholes/Giggs?
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Eric

Keeps It tidy said:
Pogba situation is not similar at all to the situations with De Bruyne and Lukaku at all. Pogba was a highly thought of young player but, he was not the best performing midfielder in our reserves that season. It was understandable that Ferguson was not willing to make him a consistent starter in midfield at 18 just because he asked him too. De Bruyne was someone who proved himself at Genk and Werder Bremen, Lukaku at Anderlecht, West Brom and Everton.
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Don't know about Lukaku....If Mourinho decided to let him go, it was a mistake alright.

De Bruyne though....Young player, demanding an automatic place in the first team. Not hard to see why he was fecked out. Fergie would have and has done the same. As would any manager with some bollix
 
.Rossi said:
I was more referring to him saying he only ever managed 4 world class players, which was bullshit of the highest order.
The parts about Hargreaves was a bit out of order too and I don't like Hargreaves at all.
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That was very strange to be honest, who were the 4 players btw i can't remember. Ronaldo, Giggs, Scholes, ???.

Especially strange as over the years he's said at different times Keane, Van Der Sar, Evra, Vidic, Neville, Ferdinand, Cantona, Schmeichel, Stam, Beckham, Robson etc. etc. were world class because well they all were.
 
stevoc said:
That was very strange to be honest, who were the 4 players btw i can't remember. Ronaldo, Giggs, Scholes, ???.

Especially strange as over the years he's said at different times Keane, Van Der Sar, Evra, Vidic, Neville, Ferdinand, Cantona, Schmeichel, Stam, Beckham, Robson etc. etc. were world class because well they all were.
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Ronaldo, Giggs, Scholes and Eric
 
MoBeats said:
Ok, getting sacked is much better.
Let's bring him in then, you've turned me.
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He got sacked by Chelsea after winning consecutive titles. He got sacked by Madrid after winning their first title in 7 years against what most people consider the best Barca side of all time, he got sacked the 2nd time by Chelsea 6 months after winning a title.

I'm not trying to convince you of anything. No matter how much you dislike him it doesn't mean you can re write history. There's plenty of valid arguments out there as to why people don't want him as manager without having to make things up.
 
Let's not try to pretend that the Pogba fiasco was anything close to acceptable. One of SAF's biggest mistakes.

Lukaku and De Bruyne are too. But of those 3, I'd want Pogba most. And he went for nothing. And we had a shit midfield.
 
GiddyUp said:
If Chelsea can get 50 mil for David Luiz Ed can get at least 60 for De Gea. We are selling our best player after all, a truly world class keeper with 15 years ahead of him.
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Chelsea seem to always do well when selling. We don't. We pay high and sell low excluding Ronaldo. I don't think I would sell DDG for 60. Who is obtainable on his level?
 
Bastian said:
Let's not try to pretend that the Pogba fiasco was anything close to acceptable. One of SAF's biggest mistakes.

Lukaku and De Bruyne are too. But of those 3, I'd want Pogba most. And he went for nothing. And we had a shit midfield.
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But, there is a great deal of hindsight with Pogba. Pogba had not proved anything yet when he left Manchester United. De Bruyne and Lukaku proved to be good players before Mourinho was rid of them.
 
Bastian said:
Let's not try to pretend that the Pogba fiasco was anything close to acceptable. One of SAF's biggest mistakes.

Lukaku and De Bruyne are too. But of those 3, I'd want Pogba most. And he went for nothing. And we had a shit midfield.
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How can Lukaku be a mistake if Diego Costa came in and won the title for Chelsea. Jose didn't think he was ready to carry the goal scoring burden for a team with ambitions and Lukaku wanted regular football. If you look at Lukaku's performances, Jose was right.

Does anyone think that Rashford will be our first choice starter under Van Gaal next season?
 
"Remember: Favour creating smaller, more focused threads over massive, bloated, months old threads. No to megathreads!"

Is this anywhere near a megathread yet?? :eek::wenger::eek::wenger:
 
Not really worried if Fergie was as bad as Mourinho, more interested in seeing if Mourinho can be a good as Fergie.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
But, there is a great deal of hindsight with Pogba. Pogba had not proved anything yet when he left Manchester United. De Bruyne and Lukaku proved to be good players before Mourinho was rid of them.
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Yeah but didn't Fergie opt to play one of the Silva twins in centre mid when we had the option to play Pogba who was doing very well in the reserves? I think that was the straw that broke the camels back.
 
If Lukaku and De Bruyne didn't buy into the team ethos then I have no issue with Mourinho moving them on.

You could just as easily use Courtois as an example to prove that if the player is good enough and has the right attitude he will get his chance, even at the expense of a club legend like Cech.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
But, there is a great deal of hindsight with Pogba. Pogba had not proved anything yet when he left Manchester United. De Bruyne and Lukaku proved to be good players before Mourinho was rid of them.
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And Tom Cleverly proved feck loads..
 
POF said:
If Lukaku and De Bruyne didn't buy into the team ethos then I have no issue with Mourinho moving them on.

You could just as easily use Courtois as an example to prove that if the player is good enough and has the right attitude he will get his chance, even at the expense of a club legend like Cech.
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I'm not sure Courtois is a good example to use for having the right attitude.
 
The mention of Courtois makes me wonder if he isn't part of the answer behind De Bruyne, he slept with De Bruyne girlfriend after all.
 
Hammerfell said:
I'm not sure Courtois is a good example to use for having the right attitude.
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He is a good example of Mourinho picking a young player over a very good experienced player and one he had great affinity for.
 
JPRouve said:
The mention of Courtois makes me wonder if he isn't part of the answer behind De Bruyne, he slept with De Bruyne girlfriend after all.
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Hadn't heard that. Sounds like he's the perfect candidate for the next Chelsea captain.
 
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