What past? The past where he ruthlessly sacked Moyes and sold ferdy Evans Fletcher and all? He has always done whatever was required of him.
BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho
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What past? The past where he ruthlessly sacked Moyes and sold ferdy Evans Fletcher and all? He has always done whatever was required of him.
He'll look more incompetent if he leaves a clearly failing manager in place.
If he doesn't sack him and things don't improve he will look an even more incompetent idiot.
Made a mess of the Moyes sacking, gave him a 6 year contract and fecked some transfers up. Not saying it was all his fault, Moyes played a part but I have no faith in Woodward or the board. To me, they are indecisive and Woodward is the face of it.
Yeah I agree, I'm just trying to rationalize from Woodward's point of view, rather than most fans on here.
Yup. I've thought so for a long time now.
"Doesn't fit" isn't the right choice of words but conversely the assumption he'll automatically lead us back to glory is very presumptuous.
There have been enough mistakes and dramas over the last few years to warrant some doubt over his suitability.
Moyes' contact I doubt he had anything to do with it . It probably was set up by Fergie and Gill before they left. plus he was in his first year. Since then they have done whatever was required. Gave the manager his signings irrespective of cost, gave us sponsors and deals to give us more revenue. Pretty much whatever they should be doing they did.
I'm convinced Van Gaal is staying. He's steadied the ship again so I think that'll be enough for Woodward.
You can't keep someone because he is a bit of a mate, surely not. I just worry it is exactly what will happen, that Giggs will then come in fail miserably and we will go into serious freefall. Only good thing then would be the value will drop and someone will buy the Glazers out.
The BBC report on it a while back did make me think otherwise but it has since died of death.
wouldn't that be nepotism? that's hardly ever a logical reason to keep someone in the job
Yeah, it's my worst fear as well; the club trudging along with misplaced romanticism with Giggs instead of having legitimate ambition in going after the proven, perennial winner in Mourinho.
The decision on who the next manager will be will make or break this club. If we feck it up, again, then we will be left behind.
5 wins out of 6 - could Jose do better!!?
Sorry couldn't resist WUMming the hysterical ones, heartfelt apologies
Sorry couldn't resist WUMming the hysterical ones, heartfelt apologies
I've not seen anything that suggests Mourinho isn't already lined up. The foreign press have been hot on it, Acquire me on Redcafe has too, he hasn't revealed a job elsewhere despite sounding certain he's back in July.
I think the club are playing it right, not disrupting our season making a rash statement now, leaving him in no man's land like with Audrey at City.
There would be nothing to gain saying we're changing at the end of the season, while we're still in the hunt in 2 competitions, albeit it one of them being the Arsenal trophy of top 4.
I am currently in malta for work and whilst watching the Utd game last night I met a guy who owns a restaurant in Manchester town centre that players and staff go to quite frequently.
He said that he was told a while back that a retainer has already been paid to mourinho and he is definitely coming. He showed me texts on his phone from some players (not on that topic) and pictures of him with some of the players so no reason to doubt his story.
Don't flame me! just passing on what I heard
He said that he was told a while back that a retainer has already been paid to mourinho and he is definitely coming. He showed me texts on his phone from some players (not on that topic) and pictures of him with some of the players so no reason to doubt his story.
Don't flame me! just passing on what I heard
And if this is the case then we really do have problems because Giggs is not the way to go.
My mate at Boojums said the same thing
Like I said on the previous thread, if VG stays and they go ahead with their massive master plan that so many former players and fergie himself jerk off on and have visioned for years, it could take us years to recover. The fact they are putting the clubs future on the line on some former player who has managed the club for 4 games, and united looked inept under giggs under those final few games says it all about the delusional state of the club, VG is the face of that deluded state the club is in. By the time we recover, spurs, arsenal, city, chelsea, liverpool all could be well and truly miles ahead of us, while we live in a prehistoric time, trying to be like Barcelona who appoint former players. The board should be ruthless and making big decisions, before we are well and truly left behind, which our rivals are already setting the plans in motion, while we hover and do nothing
This is every United fans worst fear. Its Mourinho or bust. Fergie and his cronies better realize this sooner and not get carried away by a few flukey victories in past couple of weeks. The rot that has been set in by LvG the fraud needs to be rooted out !
I do find it funny that people buy into the notion that Woodward doesn't know anything about football.
Appointing Moyes was a more intelligent footballing decision than making LvG the manager. Woodward was right to appoint the former.
They're the same people that think they know how to run a massive football club
And how did you come to this conclusion?
They've literally done it hundreds of times.
Funny that isn't it.
Especially since he has been a football executive for more than 10 years and that he is a football fan.
Yea but he doesn't know shit, whereas people on here are qualified to critique his job performance.
Somebody mentioned that he is perfectly capable of being ruthless. So hopefully he can be again.
I can understand when people with the benefit of insight judge his work but it is extremely arrogant to think that without insight we would be able to take better decisions.
Or that he can't learn things that are the divine right of football-fans-only to know.
Look at the squad Fergie left. It was suited to Moyes' style of play.
During Moyes' season, our goal output was fine. The issue was the leaky defence. But if you look at his past Everton side, you'll see that he'd previously proven himself to be very good at organising that side of things. Moyes' problem was that the big egos at United didn't believe in him... that's where he failed. In footballing terms, he was the best man to get the side set up both attacking-wise and defending-wise, given the squad that Fergie had left him. It was an intelligent decision in that respect. He simply failed on a human level because he lacked personality.
LvG, on the other hand, is totally ill-suited to the squad. Our players can't play tiki-taka, least of all our captain. It took him 6 months to get any sort of cohesion but even now we're barely a functional side. From a footballing point of view, he was (and is) the wrong man for the wrong group of players. The whole obsession with 'modern football' is killing us at the moment. There's no footballing sense to having LvG be the Manchester United manager.
Looking at managers purely from a perspective of 'how much they've won' is a really superficial way to decide things. Whenever I see someone criticise Woodward's football acumen in appointing Moyes or praise him for selecting LvG, I assume the poster in question lacks footballing nous himself. It's fair enough to criticise Woodward for failing to foresee that Moyes was a bad man-manager, but that's something he has huge amounts of experience of in the boardroom. It was a gamble that didn't pay off, not a lack of knowledge about the game.
What's wrong with people. Mourinho is a perfect fit for this club and the closest thing to Alex Ferguson you will ever see. My God people get a grip. He is one of the top three managers in the world and wants to manage this club. You do realize the league will have some class managers next season and you feckers want to go in to battle with Ryan Giggs.
Woodward didn't pick Moyes. That decision was made when Gill was still in charge.
Being able to organize a midtable team doesn't mean much. He struggled against the top teams and the stats for his away record against the top 4 says a lot about how his tactical ability and suitability for a top team. Things like that and the fact he had won nothing in his entire career should have made it obvious that the 'big ego's' you would find in a title winning team wouldn't believe in him. Also I don't see how the squad was more suited for Moyes than it was for Mourinho who has been able to win CL with lesser squads than that.
Moyes was picked over Mourinho which was a stupid decision. At the time of Moyes sacking there weren't many options other than LVG and he was the best option and Woodward isn't to blame for him not delivering. I don't think you can question anyone's footballing nous if you thought Moyes was an intelligent decision. The guy was an obvious disaster from day one.
Moyes was a great builder of defences. The United defence refused to listen to him and that became the Achilles heel of his tenure.Woodward didn't pick Moyes. That decision was made when Gill was still in charge.
Being able to organize a midtable team doesn't mean much. He struggled against the top teams and the stats for his away record against the top 4 says a lot about how his tactical ability and suitability for a top team. Things like that and the fact he had won nothing in his entire career should have made it obvious that the 'big ego's' you would find in a title winning team wouldn't believe in him. Also I don't see how the squad was more suited for Moyes than it was for Mourinho who has been able to win CL with lesser squads than that.
Moyes was picked over Mourinho which was a stupid decision. At the time of Moyes sacking there weren't many options other than LVG and he was the best option and Woodward isn't to blame for him not delivering. I don't think you can question anyone's footballing nous if you thought Moyes was an intelligent decision. The guy was an obvious disaster from day one.
Mourinho had already chosen Chelsea by that point. Moyes was the best suited man for the squad that Fergie left behind, from a footballing point of view. If the players had been professional about it, they would have seen past the lack of hype.
If Moyes' plan to build his great defence was to show Ferdinand and Vidic videos of Jagielka and make Fellaini into a defensive midfielder then I doubt this great defense was on the horizon.
Fergie chose to retire in decemeber 2012. He stated that Moyes phoned him about his Everton contract in Feb 2013 and he advised not to sign a new contract (as he was who he had picked after meeting Joel Glazer in new york). I doubt Mourinho was locked in at Chelsea that early. It's obvious he was passed over for long term Moyes
No one here has had the playing or managerial experience of David Moyes so no one here can possibly criticize him. And no one here has had the playing success of Wayne Rooney so obviously, no one here can possibly criticize him. You know what How about we shut down the site how dare us to have opinions about Football related matters. We should just wait for the authorities in Football to tell us what to think.
Fergie was a massive twat, there's a reason so many hate him. Bit like Mourinho funnily enough.
He is in a no win situation on here.
If he doesn't listen to football people, he is a dick and should be sacked. If he does listen to football people and they want Giggs, they are dicks and he shouldn't listen to them, so he is a dick for listening to them. He can't win with some unless the answer is Jose then he is a god.
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