BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho

Would you be happy to see Jose Mourinho become next United manager?


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There's really more than one side regarding KdB, his personality. Mourinho didn't let him go because of poor judgement of his abilities on the picth.
KdB actually proves my humble opinion that if the club is well chosen, it's very beneficial to play at a young age at smaller clubs with European football before moving to the big guns.
 
I bumped into a Chelsea supporting mate this morning who was spiting nails about how Mourinho got rid of De Bruin over some minor slight to his ego. Said we'd be mad to hire him.

Oh and Fergie never did something like that... *cough*Pogba*cough*
 
This is so true. When we beat Barca before winning the Champions League in 08, that 2 legged semi was the most Mourinho tactics i've ever witnessed. But guess what? We ended up winning the Champions League. If we want to be successful, we have to have a manager who is tactically astute, and that will include being a bit reserved against the better teams. Its obvious. Mourinho isn't Tony Pulis. His teams often score a lot of goals and play some very good football. but occasionally, needs must, just like when Fergie was here.
And when we played two finals against them we looked like cavemen with stones against a modern army. A team needs to be realistic and know the limits before a match, but at the same time needs to evolve and add resources to his game permanently. And Mourinho doesn't offer too much in that sense, he's mainly a pure competitor. If he finally comes he will get results for some time, if there's no guarantee there's a high probability at least. But after that we'll have to build from a basic point again while the bigger clubs keep evolving every year around the same football concepts, reinforcing their systems even with different managers.

It was a similar situation when SAF retired, we won the league but the structures couldn't be more primitive. But it doesn't legitimate others to do the same, nor means we should accept it as the best possible thing just because Ferguson did it in that way. Because it's very common here, when someone says something negative about Mourinho somebody jumps the next second "B...but but Fergie did it too!". Fantastic then, now l will accept it while I applaud with my balls.

We're paying for the lack of development in the last years and we should learn from that, not do the same mistakes. This 'win at all costs' mentality without deep and permanent evolution is pure garbage, bread for today and hunger for tomorrow. If we develop properly as a team, that cost will be very low. In our current situation we need a very aggressive management to be contenders, and this will have consequences the next years, it won't be for free. The only reason I find to accept Mourinho is the desperation and feeling of chaos I feel around the club, but mainly inside. They don't have a clue of what to do, after three seasons of failure the money from sponsors is in danger, the club loses his value, his credibility and every time is more difficult to attract good players.

A pair of seasons with a good competitor like Jose will add some calm and normality, and from that point it will be easier to build something if the club uses that time to build better structures inside. But I'm sure that if we sign Mourinho he will hide our miseries behind his figure while he's here, and after that all the problems will appear on the surface again, and I won't blame Jose if it happens. I hope I'm wrong but unless the club is sold to a more professional group of people, reaching any kind of excellence is just an uthopy.
 
Re Point 1: I'll see your Pogba and point out the Pogba was 18 when he moved to Italy. KDB was 22 which is a huge difference. Can you name one player over the age of 20 that SAF let go and that player went on to become one of the best players in the league?

Re Point 2: Mourinho's trophy haul is second to Guardialo's if you look at number of years. And I would add he is second to SAF over the long term.

At this point Mourinho is a risk because of how things ended with RM and Chelsea. And that suggests his judgement and people skills are getting worse. Too many of you are thinking this is the same Mourinho of 10 years ago. Hiring Mourinho could end in disaster and then we are back looking for another manager in 2 or 3 years. Great.

Re Point 1: I'm sorry, but I'm not moved by the the fact that Pogba was a teenager when he left United that Ferguson didn't mishandle Pogba. Ferguson played Rafael in midfield instead of Pogba, which was ridiculous management. No one ever said Ferguson was perfect and his gobs of trophies overwhelms his mistakes, but if you're going to drill down on the handling of young players Ferguson was far from perfect, as demonstrated by his mishandling of Pogba. But we're talking about Mourinho and even if we can condemn him for letting KDB go, Mourinho still comes out ahead with his cabinet full of trophies. And right now United need trophies more than they need to worry about how Mourinho handled KDB.

Re Point 2: Guardiola isn't an option so it's silly to bring him up in this conversation. But even then what Guardiola has done he's done with a vastly more talented side -- including the greatest player of this generation and arguably the greatest footballer of all time -- than Mourinho. Mourinho won the CL with Porto, of all clubs. He consistently beat Ferguson first with Porto and then with Chelsea. Any manager alive today will be "second to Ferguson" but unless the idea is to bring Ferguson back we can only consider alternatives to Ferguson. Guardiola and Ancelotti are not options available to us.

Your last point is a sound one. Mourinho IS a risk. Maybe he has lost his mind and is drifting into early stages of dementia or perhaps just paranoia. I wouldn't object to putting Mourinho through a psych exam to see if he is falling prey to a mental illness. But I seriously doubt he is. What's much more likely than Mourinho suffering a mental illness is that he arrived to summer training with players who were out shape, physically and mentally, and he was in a no-win situation. It is believed -- but neither one of us can know if it's true -- that Carneiro had an affair with one or more Chelsea players. Such a belief is poison in the mind of a manager and given that belief his reaction to Carneiro, while still indefensible, becomes somewhat understandable. I have zero fear whatsoever that Mourinho would intimidate or sack United's medical staff. But Mourinho is nevertheless a risk. While it's likely he won't have a problem with the medical staff he might disgrace the club in some other way, either through criticism of referees or something else we can't even imagine.

What it comes down is what kind of risk we're willing to take. Would we rather risk hiring a manager who's never coped with this level of intensity and attention around the world, always being compared to what "could have been" under Mourinho? Or do we go with a proven CL and EPL winner knowing that the risk is that he might disgrace the club with an off-color remark?

Ferguson and Mourinho are in the end not all that different from each other. Ferguson was tough on his players and at times made club supporters cringe, but he won trophies. United need to win trophies again.
 
Guardiola is more of a risk in the Premier League than Mourinho.

Giggs is more of a risk than Steve McClaren.
 
To hell with Mourinho, I'm all about Simeone for the next few minutes.
 
Sam Wallace who I think is a good journo is once again insisting we've made no real attempt to hire him. James Ducker saying the same thing and saying PSG are interested. Can't see them sacking Blanc though.
 
Sam Wallace who I think is a good journo is once again insisting we've made no real attempt to hire him. James Ducker saying the same thing and saying PSG are interested. Can't see them sacking Blanc though.

They might sack Blanc since they can't progress past the quarters in the CL.
 
Mourinho would die of boredom if he went to PSG, it's just not the kind of move he'd make. Not at this point in his career, anyway.
 
I think PSG will give Blac another season, especially if they win the cup.
Mourinho would die of boredom if he went to PSG, it's just not the kind of move he'd make. Not at this point in his career, anyway.
Might not have a choice.
 
Sam Wallace who I think is a good journo is once again insisting we've made no real attempt to hire him. James Ducker saying the same thing and saying PSG are interested. Can't see them sacking Blanc though.
I think the board are not agreed on him so they got him, via a gentleman's agreement/pre-contract , on hold just in case. However if PSG dismiss Blanc I can see us going for him whilst PSG get Mourinho which would possibly leave everyone satisfied.
 
I think the board are not agreed on him so they got him, via a gentleman's agreement/pre-contract , on hold just in case. However if PSG dismiss Blanc I can see us going for him whilst PSG get Mourinho which would possibly leave everyone satisfied.
I don't see that many United fans being satisfied with the appointment of Blanc, tbh. To my mind that'd leave us with a weaker manager than Arsenal, City, Spurs, Chelsea and Liverpool.
 
Sam Wallace who I think is a good journo is once again insisting we've made no real attempt to hire him. James Ducker saying the same thing and saying PSG are interested. Can't see them sacking Blanc though.

Wallace and Ducker know nothing. Woodward just feed bogus news. How would Ducker know exactly that PSG are interested?
 
I think the board are not agreed on him so they got him, via a gentleman's agreement/pre-contract , on hold just in case. However if PSG dismiss Blanc I can see us going for him whilst PSG get Mourinho which would possibly leave everyone satisfied.
Castles is a joke but is quite close to the Mourinho camp. He too keeps saying we've made no real attempt to get Mourinho. My own opinion is that Ed has simply told Mourinho's camp(Mendes) to inform him of any developments. In the mean time, I think Ed is looking for a consensus candidate the entire board can agree on. Sam Wallace piece which is basically a spin on Mourinho and his record with youth players says Mourinho doesn't think a concrete approach from us is coming.
 
Wallace and Ducker know nothing. Woodward just feed bogus news. How would Ducker know exactly that PSG are interested?
If you read their articles, there aren't speaking from the clubs point of view. Rather they're speaking from Mourinho's.
 
Wallace and Ducker know nothing. Woodward just feed bogus news. How would Ducker know exactly that PSG are interested?

Myself and one or two others said it last night as soon as the final whistle went....You can be almost 100% certain they read forums like this, looking for a story.

I've seen it countless times. Some poster will upload a YT video of some unknown player and within two days, some journo has it that "United are interested in player X"
 
I'd trust foreign news outlets on anything to do with Mourinho before I'd trust sourceless wonders like Ducker and Wallace.
 
LvG will be here next season. Can't see Mourinho going to a smaller club and certainly can't see him becoming Portugal's coach at the moment.

PSG it is

With unhappy players (if recent rumours are true), unhappy supporters, and sponsors that demand results, LvG will not be here next season.
Smaller club? If you think Unitd is smaller than PSG, you are probably the only one, and you don't understand how to measure the size of a club.
Mourinho has been fired in his last two clubs, he needs to prove himself, going to a club in a league with no competition is not the way to prove yourself.
 
I reckon the youth, especially Rashford and Fosu-mensah have staked a significant claim that whoever is manager next season would be stupid not use them as squad options. I don't think even Mourinho will see them as too risky. For this blooding of the youth, we should be grateful to LvG, even if his hand was forced.
 
Diego Simeone is the best manager in world football at the moment, no idea why Chelsea didn't go for him, but he is definitely the one we should be in for.
 
Not fussed about Mourinho but to then appoint Giggs will be a disaster of biblical proportions.
 
Diego Simeone is the best manager in world football at the moment, no idea why Chelsea didn't go for him, but he is definitely the one we should be in for.

Who knows whether Chelsea went for him or not? I personally think they did make contact with him at the very least, but he didn't fancy it. He would be mad to leave Atletico - especially for Chelsea, a club with an owner known for his lack of patience with managers - I mean, look at how much he is adored by both the fans and players at Atletico, i's a bond that doesn't happen too often.
 
Can Simone speak English do we know? That'd be my one concern.
 
Can't really take City 'fans' seriously. It's not difficult to have a sugar daddy. All you got to do is bend over folks and imagine it's you doing the fecking. City like Chelsea and others are nothing but a rich mans dildo.
 
Mourinho hated it in Madrid, he couldn't wait to get out. I find it hard to believe he's about to go back.
 
Simeone has only ever hinted to either stay at Atletico or manage Inter.
 
Don't think it's relevant here. If he wanted to sign for Madrid and Perez wanted him that badly, then surely he'd have gone for him after sacking Rafa.

Not sure why we are even discussing some other forums ITK here let alone from a City forum.

Is it related to Mourinho? Yes. Well there you go then. If you can't see a connection, best get some glasses.

It was relevant enough for you to click through and read it.
 
Mourinho hated it in Madrid, he couldn't wait to get out. I find it hard to believe he's about to go back.
Most of the Spanish journalists say is relationship with Perez was and is still very good. The problem seemed to be with his players:Ronaldo, Ramos and Casillas. Casillas has gone and his relationship with Ronaldo can't be that bad anymore. He was at the premiere of his movie.
 
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