BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho

Would you be happy to see Jose Mourinho become next United manager?

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sammsky1 said:
Wasted 30 mins of my life watching this and had to get to the last 60 seconds for the amazing and insightful punchline.

As fans, we spend this crazy amount of our time following football clubs because of how it makes us feel. SAF was the bargain of a lifetime: as a non Manchester based fan, I could live inside this amazing feeling for the cost of my satellite subscription: the emotions I experienced were so superior VS the cost, it's impossible to equate.

The fantastical dream that our most successful ever player, who'd played the most games ever and was a genuine one club man for the entirety of his footballing career by winning things as our manager: that would generate feelings of emotion that perhaps even SAF could not provide. An example: let's assume Giggs is appointed and builds this youthful LVG side into Euro champions in 2019 or 2020. It's almost the impossible dream, a complete fantasy.

What Leeds, Blackburn, Chelsea and Manchester City have proved us that you can buy the premier league in 3 seasons if you throw enough money at your team so that option is always open to us. And I also wanted Mourinho to be appointed straight after SAF, I really wish we'd done that as we would have won something in the past few years and so when Mourinho self combusted, which would have been about now, Giggs could have taken over a squad in better shape.

Old Trafford is supposedly the Theatre of Dreams, our match going fans scream 'we're Man United and we do what we want', and every poster on this board yearns for some local young players to be integrated into the heart of the squad. So let's do things our way and not how other clubs have bought thier way to success through mercenancires.

As the chap in the VDO said, it's not my money, I'm a fan and experiencing fantasy become reality is amazing. So on that basis, though I'd be delighted if the board chose Mourinho, I want Giggs as our next manager.

And unlike many here, I think he'll quickly learn the managerial aspect of his job, in terms of experience of the the club itself, the premier league and European Champions League his exposure is second to none. Just because SAF may have got the Moyes call wrong does not mean this is also a bad call.

If it does not work, we are rich enough to sign a galactio manager. And if we aren't rich Enough, then Some Chinese dude will buy the club off the Glazers and make sure we are.

The Giggs one man club fantasy can only happen once. If he leaves to gain experience Elsewhere, it's over.

Am sure this post will be derided and mocked, ( @devilish ) and if it is I'll say just one thing: think like a fan and not as a club owner: look at the romance of Leicester this year. That's why I loved SAF's journey and I'd like that again sometime soon
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Needless to say I disagree with most of this post but I respect your opinion.

The only bit that confused me was in bold. So you think Mourinho would leave the squad in better shape than SAF did? That's a surprising view, considering he has a reputation for this slash and burn style of management - do everything for the here and now, with no consideration for the future. If you think Mourinho would have left our squad in good shape for Giggs when he followed SAF, presumably you are equally confident he will leave the squad in good shape when he leaves if he gets this job this time around? If so, where is the downside with Mourinho?
 
glazed said:
I bumped into a Chelsea supporting mate this morning who was spiting nails about how Mourinho got rid of De Bruin over some minor slight to his ego. Said we'd be mad to hire him.
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A Chelsea fan's opinion carries no more weight than anyone else's. We all know how it all played out there, it's not like Chelsea fans are privy to anything.
 
glazed said:
No he'd just watched City last night and realised Chelsea had ditched one of the best young players in Europe for no good reason.
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There was good reason. I'm sure it has been discussed to death.
In a nutshell, KDB played 3 games for Chelsea, at the start of the season, however, Jose wanted to also give Mata and Oscar chances.
So he benched KDB. KDB was not happy and made it clear.
Jose said, I am the boss, what I say, goes.
KDB disagreed.
Jose arranged for him to be shipped out, due to poor attitude.

In summary, KDB was shipped out, no on a whim, but because his attitude was not good.
 
sunama said:
There was good reason. I'm sure it has been discussed to death.
In a nutshell, KDB played 3 games for Chelsea, at the start of the season, however, Jose wanted to also give Mata and Oscar chances.
So he benched KDB. KDB was not happy and made it clear.
Jose said, I am the boss, what I say, goes.
KDB disagreed.
Jose arranged for him to be shipped out, due to poor attitude.

In summary, KDB was shipped out, no on a whim, but because his attitude was not good.
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Is making it known you are not happy at being on the bench a bad attitude?
This is a management thing for me, maybe Mourinho did try and use some management here, but I doubt it.
 
glazed said:
No he'd just watched City last night and realised Chelsea had ditched one of the best young players in Europe for no good reason.
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Like Pogba? These things happen and it doesn't mean that we will be 'mad' to hire Mourinho
 
Summit said:
Robson, and Yorke.

It also means what I said though doesn't it? In that he truly isn't wanted at United. They are after all club ambassadors.
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I've never heard anything out of any ambassador which isn't club related. Aside from that, they used to play together. I rather believe what Neil Custis is writing than what the ambassadors say.
 
sunama said:
There was good reason. I'm sure it has been discussed to death.
In a nutshell, KDB played 3 games for Chelsea, at the start of the season, however, Jose wanted to also give Mata and Oscar chances.
So he benched KDB. KDB was not happy and made it clear.
Jose said, I am the boss, what I say, goes.
KDB disagreed.
Jose arranged for him to be shipped out, due to poor attitude.

In summary, KDB was shipped out, no on a whim, but because his attitude was not good.
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So showing hunger to play more then (or at least as much as Oscar, for example) shows bad attitude?
 
Cassidy said:
Is making it known you are not happy at being on the bench a bad attitude?
This is a management thing for me, maybe Mourinho did try and use some management here, but I doubt it.
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VP89 said:
So showing hunger to play more then (or at least as much as Oscar, for example) shows bad attitude?
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Juan Mata has kept his head down, worked hard and forced himself into Mourinho's plans and delivered a great performance in the win against Southampton last weekend, playing the full ninety minutes.
Now, it's seems that De Bruyne has followed Mata's example and will be rewarded as revealed by Mourinho yesterday. He said:
'Kevin is showing desire and working very hard. I feel sorry for him that I haven't given him big opportunities up to now but he's working better than ever. Of course, he's sad when he's not selected or not playing, but he's working in a very professional way, which is a change from the beginning.
When he works the way he's working he has to play sooner or later. For tonight he's selected so he has a chance to play and in this block of games, for sure, he has to start matches.
I like him as a player and I've learned now how to like him as a kid because he's a good kid and he's showing now he's a good professional, so hopefully I can give him enough time on the pitch so he can be happy.
I understand he needs to play a bit more but it's the area of the pitch where we have more options, but I am speaking with him and we are working on that. He can also play as a midfielder when we play with a triangle, he did that for Werder Bremen, so hopefully we can find more options for Kevin to play because I like him very much.'

http://www.theshedend.com/topic/19605-kevin-de-bruyne/page-74

Sounds like it was a attitude problem for being dropped
 
VP89 said:
So showing hunger to play more then (or at least as much as Oscar, for example) shows bad attitude?
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There isnt enough information here to say either way really. KDB being hungry to play is just context. His attitude would be defined by how he expressed that, his patience, his attitude to training while out of the team and the rest of it.
 
Attila said:
Juan Mata has kept his head down, worked hard and forced himself into Mourinho's plans and delivered a great performance in the win against Southampton last weekend, playing the full ninety minutes.
Now, it's seems that De Bruyne has followed Mata's example and will be rewarded as revealed by Mourinho yesterday. He said:
'Kevin is showing desire and working very hard. I feel sorry for him that I haven't given him big opportunities up to now but he's working better than ever. Of course, he's sad when he's not selected or not playing, but he's working in a very professional way, which is a change from the beginning.
When he works the way he's working he has to play sooner or later. For tonight he's selected so he has a chance to play and in this block of games, for sure, he has to start matches.
I like him as a player and I've learned now how to like him as a kid because he's a good kid and he's showing now he's a good professional, so hopefully I can give him enough time on the pitch so he can be happy.
I understand he needs to play a bit more but it's the area of the pitch where we have more options, but I am speaking with him and we are working on that. He can also play as a midfielder when we play with a triangle, he did that for Werder Bremen, so hopefully we can find more options for Kevin to play because I like him very much.'

http://www.theshedend.com/topic/19605-kevin-de-bruyne/page-74

Sounds like it was a attitude problem for being dropped
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We need to redefine "attitude problem" then. A player that doesn't want to settle for being dropped for prolonged periods when they are head and shoulders above others in their position doesn't equate to "attitude problem".

Football careers are short, KDB came back of a brilliant season on loan and starts what, 3 games for Chelsea between September and January? I don't think the selling has anything to do with an attitude problem because he's proved his undervalued worth immediately with Wolfsberg and City. He knew he was far better in worth than what was given to him by Mourinho and he's shown it.

It was a brainfart to let him go, comparable to SAF with Pogba.

Adebesi said:
There isnt enough information here to say either way really. KDB being hungry to play is just context. His attitude would be defined by how he expressed that, his patience, his attitude to training while out of the team and the rest of it.
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There is no evidence to suggest he had an attitude problem really, he was a 20year old footballer that wanted more gametime than he got. Its not like he threw a fuss for being dropped for one game. He started 3 games in half a season FFS. Its not good enough for his calibure.
 
VP89 said:
There is no evidence to suggest he had an attitude problem really, he was a 20year old footballer that wanted more gametime than he got. Its not like he threw a fuss for being dropped for one game. He started 3 games in half a season FFS. Its not good enough for his calibure.
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No comment, really. I have absolutely no idea what happened. Im just saying that wanting to play more does not give you a bad attitude. It is how you convey that desire that will determine that.
 
glazed said:
I bumped into a Chelsea supporting mate this morning who was spiting nails about how Mourinho got rid of De Bruin over some minor slight to his ego. Said we'd be mad to hire him.
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Yeah you know this Ferguson chap we had let go of Pogba over some slight issue. We would be mad to call him a legend.
 
VP89 said:
We need to redefine "attitude problem" then. A player that doesn't want to settle for being dropped for prolonged periods when they are head and shoulders above others in their position doesn't equate to "attitude problem".

Football careers are short, KDB came back of a brilliant season on loan and starts what, 3 games for Chelsea between September and January? I don't think the selling has anything to do with an attitude problem because he's proved his undervalued worth immediately with Wolfsberg and City. He knew he was far better in worth than what was given to him by Mourinho and he's shown it.

It was a brainfart to let him go, comparable to SAF with Pogba.



There is no evidence to suggest he had an attitude problem really, he was a 20year old footballer that wanted more gametime than he got. Its not like he threw a fuss for being dropped for one game. He started 3 games in half a season FFS. Its not good enough for his calibure.
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Chelsea at the time had Hazard, Mata, Oscar, Willian, Schurlle, De Bruyne for those 3 positions. I'm not sure if he was head and shoulders above them all at that time, not enough to not accept being dropped to give others game time. Also considering that 3 starts all came at the start of the season then after that he stopped playing I would imagine there is some truth to what Mourinho said about him not working in a professional way and accepting the fact he was benched
 
Adebesi said:
No comment, really. I have absolutely no idea what happened. Im just saying that wanting to play more does not give you a bad attitude. It is how you convey that desire that will determine that.
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Yeah, I can't disagree with that. I just didn't agree with @sunama's summary of it.

Attila said:
Chelsea at the time had Hazard, Mata, Oscar, Willian, Schurlle, De Bruyne for those 3 positions. I'm not sure if he was head and shoulders above them all at that time, not enough to not accept being dropped to give others game time. Also considering that 3 starts all came at the start of the season then after that he stopped playing I would imagine there is some truth to what Mourinho said about him not working in a professional way and accepting the fact he was benched
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Shurrle and Oscar certainly didn't show outstanding quality in comparison to his loan spell IIRC, and Mata was never a favourite. Even if you say he was on the same level as his colleagues, he deserved more than 3 appearances in half a season.
 
RDCR07 said:
Yeah you know this Ferguson chap we had let go of Pogba over some slight issue. We would be mad to call him a legend.
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Big picture: Keeping good players happy is something SAF had a genius for. JM seems to have a genius for fecking them off. That's why he only lasts 2 years in one place while SAF lasts 25.
 
glazed said:
Big picture: Keeping good players happy is something SAF had a genius for. JM seems to have a genius for fecking them off. That's why he only lasts 2 years in one place while SAF lasts 25.
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John Terry, Lampard, Drogba disagree.
 
Two more reasons why we should think twice before hiring Mourinho:

1. KDB. I know this has been discussed but after watching last night KDB might be the best player in the EPL right now. To let him be sold shows a serous lack of judgement.

2. In 2015 Chelsea drew 1-1 vs PSG at PSG. At home, Mourinho, elected to play a defensive strategy and go for 0-0 draw and move on. Not that unusual. However, Zlatan gets an early red and Chelsea still play defensively and get knocked on 3-3 aggregate. In 2016, MC get a 2-2 draw at PSG and Pellegrini does not change their style and does not play defensively. The result is a 1-0 win and a date in the semi-finals. I think how you win is important and this win by MC is going to galvanize them for the rest of the season. Now they go to the semis liking their chances against anybody (except a well playing Barca team maybe) and have a decent chance of winning. And they will play in the EPL with renewed confidence which really means we have little chance of getting 4th. If they had limped to a 0-0 draw and advancement, it would be a different mind set going forward IMO.

I would rather have a manager with Pelligrini's mindset than Mourinho's.

Maybe we should consider Blanc as manager. Yes, he has not had success in the CL but I think that's because of a little bad luck (untimely red cards to key players and unlucky draws) and the fact the French league hardly prepares you for tough CL matches. I think the latter is something Pelligrini knew they could exploit and that's why they elected to press both legs. Smart strategy.
 
gerdm07 said:
Two more reasons why we should think twice before hiring Mourinho:

1. KDB. I know this has been discussed but after watching last night KDB might be the best player in the EPL right now. To let him be sold shows a serous lack of judgement.

2. In 2015 Chelsea drew 1-1 vs PSG at PSG. At home, Mourinho, elected to play a defensive strategy and go for 0-0 draw and move on. Not that unusual. However, Zlatan gets an early red and Chelsea still play defensively and get knocked on 3-3 aggregate. In 2016, MC get a 2-2 draw at PSG and Pellegrini does not change their style and does not play defensively. The result is a 1-0 win and a date in the semi-finals. I think how you win is important and this win by MC is going to galvanize them for the rest of the season. Now they go to the semis liking their chances against anybody (except a well playing Barca team maybe) and have a decent chance of winning. And they will play in the EPL with renewed confidence which really means we have little chance of getting 4th. If they had limped to a 0-0 draw and advancement, it would be a different mind set going forward IMO.

I would rather have a manager with Pelligrini's mindset than Mourinho's.

Maybe we should consider Blanc as manager. Yes, he has not had success in the CL but I think that's because of a little bad luck (untimely red cards to key players and unlucky draws) and the fact the French league hardly prepares you for tough CL matches. I think the latter is something Pelligrini knew they could exploit and that's why they elected to press both legs. Smart strategy.
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Christ, i dont know where to start with this.

Ferguson, repeatedly, over his last 6 years set up negatively. Yet, some refuse to acknowledge that and instead focus on supposed negative tactics of Mourinho. Yes, the game you mention they deployed a negative mind set - i can name countless games where Ferguson done the same. God, how many against City from 2011 onwards? You cant take games in isolation as some kind of indication - how about the 4-2 victory over Barca in his first spell at Chelsea?

The KDB argument has been covered so not going to go through that again, but suffice to say there is more sides to that story.
 
gerdm07 said:
Two more reasons why we should think twice before hiring Mourinho:

1. KDB. I know this has been discussed but after watching last night KDB might be the best player in the EPL right now. To let him be sold shows a serous lack of judgement.

2. In 2015 Chelsea drew 1-1 vs PSG at PSG. At home, Mourinho, elected to play a defensive strategy and go for 0-0 draw and move on. Not that unusual. However, Zlatan gets an early red and Chelsea still play defensively and get knocked on 3-3 aggregate. In 2016, MC get a 2-2 draw at PSG and Pellegrini does not change their style and does not play defensively. The result is a 1-0 win and a date in the semi-finals. I think how you win is important and this win by MC is going to galvanize them for the rest of the season. Now they go to the semis liking their chances against anybody (except a well playing Barca team maybe) and have a decent chance of winning. And they will play in the EPL with renewed confidence which really means we have little chance of getting 4th. If they had limped to a 0-0 draw and advancement, it would be a different mind set going forward IMO.

I would rather have a manager with Pelligrini's mindset than Mourinho's.

Maybe we should consider Blanc as manager. Yes, he has not had success in the CL but I think that's because of a little bad luck (untimely red cards to key players and unlucky draws) and the fact the French league hardly prepares you for tough CL matches. I think the latter is something Pelligrini knew they could exploit and that's why they elected to press both legs. Smart strategy.
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I'm not sure if you're joking or not?
 
LonelyFire said:
Christ, i dont know where to start with this.

Ferguson, repeatedly, over his last 6 years set up negatively. Yet, some refuse to acknowledge that and instead focus on supposed negative tactics of Mourinho. Yes, the game you mention they deployed a negative mind set - i can name countless games where Ferguson done the same. God, how many against City from 2011 onwards? You cant take games in isolation as some kind of indication - how about the 4-2 victory over Barca in his first spell at Chelsea?

The KDB argument has been covered so not going to go through that again, but suffice to say there is more sides to that story.
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I'm well aware that SAF set up negatively at times. However, most of those times were away in either in tough EPL matches or CL matches. At home, it was very rare. I'm quite certain he would not have parked the bus at home vs PSG in the same situation.
 
gerdm07 said:
I would rather have a manager with Pelligrini's mindset than Mourinho's.

Maybe we should consider Blanc as manager. Yes, he has not had success in the CL but I think that's because of a little bad luck (untimely red cards to key players and unlucky draws) and the fact the French league hardly prepares you for tough CL matches. I think the latter is something Pelligrini knew they could exploit and that's why they elected to press both legs. Smart strategy.
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:wenger:
 
LonelyFire said:
Christ, i dont know where to start with this.

Ferguson, repeatedly, over his last 6 years set up negatively. Yet, some refuse to acknowledge that and instead focus on supposed negative tactics of Mourinho. Yes, the game you mention they deployed a negative mind set - i can name countless games where Ferguson done the same. God, how many against City from 2011 onwards? You cant take games in isolation as some kind of indication - how about the 4-2 victory over Barca in his first spell at Chelsea?

The KDB argument has been covered so not going to go through that again, but suffice to say there is more sides to that story.
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This is so true. When we beat Barca before winning the Champions League in 08, that 2 legged semi was the most Mourinho tactics i've ever witnessed. But guess what? We ended up winning the Champions League. If we want to be successful, we have to have a manager who is tactically astute, and that will include being a bit reserved against the better teams. Its obvious. Mourinho isn't Tony Pulis. His teams often score a lot of goals and play some very good football. but occasionally, needs must, just like when Fergie was here.
 
Blanc was positively LvG-esque last night, playing a tactic they've never played, in their biggest game of the season. Also, he almost drove away Rabiot until injuries forced him to play him and he plays Luiz and Van der Wiel ahead of Marquinhos, to the point where he's supposedly considering leaving. Why would anyone want him at United? Besides winning Ligue 1 with Bordeaux pre PSG oil money, what has he done to be even mentioned as a possibility?
 
gerdm07 said:
1. KDB. I know this has been discussed but after watching last night KDB might be the best player in the EPL right now. To let him be sold shows a serous lack of judgement.
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It doesn't show a lack of judgement though - not on the basis of isolated cases. De Bruyne exploded into life at Wolfsburg, one might argue that there wasn't a lot to suggest he was going to become the player he become in the Bundesliga. This is like claiming Fergie evidenced lack of judgement by not playing Pogba more regularly - which led to his eventual Bosman move to Juventus. Or Sir Matt showed a serious lack of judgement by falling out with Johnny Giles:
He's talking now about his early days, his journey from Dublin to Manchester as a 15-year-old and leaving Old Trafford at 22. The beginning of the end came on the day of the FA Cup semi-final in 1962. He was 21 years old and Spurs were the opposition. He was up against Dave Mackay, Danny Blanchflower and the great John White. United lost 3-1 and Giles had a nightmare. "Oh, I was hopeless," he recalls. Busby suddenly lost confidence in him. That's how it felt anyway. Busby hardly spoke to Giles from that day onwards.

"In the end, things between Matt and myself were very, very poor," he explains. "Now let me say that Matt Busby was a great manager and Manchester United wouldn't be where they are without him. He was a god at the club, but he wasn't a god to me. Football is like that sometimes.
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Sometimes, managers have to take decisions based on what they believe is good for the team. And like all decisions, there is a certain margin for error. There was a lot more nuance the situation than simply Mourinho booting De Bruyne:
The Belgian has complained about his treatment at Chelsea but Mourinho rejects that he was the reason for his failure to play a key role at the club. “That is unfair because I wanted to keep him,” said the Portuguese. “And he told me it was not in his personality to be competing for a position in the team. He needed a team where he knows he can play every game. He needs to know that he is important.
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That suggests a fundamental difference of opinion between the two, and keeping players who don't see eye to eye with the manager, or expect to be played in every game without putting forth performances to merit that can end up undermining him. De Bruyne's fate would probably have been the same under other hard taskmasters who believe that competitiveness brings out the best in players.
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2. In 2015 Chelsea drew 1-1 vs PSG at PSG. At home, Mourinho, elected to play a defensiv e strategy and go for 0-0 draw and move on. Not that unusual. However, Zlatan gets an early red and Chelsea still play defensively and get knocked on 3-3 aggregate. In 2016, MC get a 2-2 draw at PSG and Pellegrini does not change their style and does not play defensively. The result is a 1-0 win and a date in the semi-finals. I think how you win is important and this win by MC is going to galvanize them for the rest of the season. Now they go to the semis liking their chances against anybody (except a well playing Barca team maybe) and have a decent chance of winning. And they will play in the EPL with renewed confidence which really means we have little chance of getting 4th. If they had limped to a 0-0 draw and advancement, it would be a different mind set going forward IMO.

I would rather have a manager with Pelligrini's mindset than Mourinho's.
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This is a tad hyperbolic. It's unfair to selectively consider one tie by Mourinho, and another tie by Pellegrini, and extrapolate the two to arrive upon some kind of broader judgement. Pellegrini was decisive in reaching 1 semi-final at City, 0 at Madrid, and 1 at Villarreal for a total of 2. José has reached 8 semi-finals since 2003 - a European Cup record he shares with only one man - Fergie. Why were the 8 times that Mourinho led his team to the semi-final in just over a decade (a remarkable stat in hindsight) not given appropriate consideration?

And in terms of 'mindset' - one might argue that Pellegrini's propensity for playing relatively disorganized football has hurt City's chances for silverware in the past - where his teams leak goals and look all at sea against tactically secure opponents. This might also extend to the 'first half' of Fergie's United career - which ended someone around that defeat to Real Madrid in the European Cup, after losing to Borussia Dortmund before that - where we weren't pragmatic enough. It's no surprise that our re-emergence as a genuine European force coincided with him bolting the backdoor in European games through the 'second half' of his United career - based on the strength of the Van der Sar, Ferdinand, Vidić, Evra axis. That was no different to what Mourinho sometimes does - but in terms of the narrative, Fergie is always idealized with the gung-ho '90s approach.
 
gerdm07 said:
Two more reasons why we should think twice before hiring Mourinho:

1. KDB. I know this has been discussed but after watching last night KDB might be the best player in the EPL right now. To let him be sold shows a serous lack of judgement.

2. In 2015 Chelsea drew 1-1 vs PSG at PSG. At home, Mourinho, elected to play a defensive strategy and go for 0-0 draw and move on. Not that unusual. However, Zlatan gets an early red and Chelsea still play defensively and get knocked on 3-3 aggregate. In 2016, MC get a 2-2 draw at PSG and Pellegrini does not change their style and does not play defensively. The result is a 1-0 win and a date in the semi-finals. I think how you win is important and this win by MC is going to galvanize them for the rest of the season. Now they go to the semis liking their chances against anybody (except a well playing Barca team maybe) and have a decent chance of winning. And they will play in the EPL with renewed confidence which really means we have little chance of getting 4th. If they had limped to a 0-0 draw and advancement, it would be a different mind set going forward IMO.

I would rather have a manager with Pelligrini's mindset than Mourinho's.

Maybe we should consider Blanc as manager. Yes, he has not had success in the CL but I think that's because of a little bad luck (untimely red cards to key players and unlucky draws) and the fact the French league hardly prepares you for tough CL matches. I think the latter is something Pelligrini knew they could exploit and that's why they elected to press both legs. Smart strategy.
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Re Point 1: I'll see your KDB and raise you Pogba.

Re Point 2: Ferguson set us up defensively even during the Ronaldo era.

Mourinho's trophy haul record is second none. If you want to have a go at Mourinho the only serious argument against him is the risk of turning the club into a cringey circus. If that risk is unacceptably high I get that, but if you can make the leap that he's a more mature man now and will take the job of managing United and maintain decorum seriously, he's in a league well above Pellegrini and Blanc and we would be out of our fukking mind not to hire him.
 
RDCR07 said:
Yeah you know this Ferguson chap we had let go of Pogba over some slight issue. We would be mad to call him a legend.
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He didn't let him go though. Pogba left when his contract expired despite being offered a contract. Completely different scenario.
 
Spock said:
Re Point 1: I'll see your KDB and raise you Pogba.

Re Point 2: Ferguson set us up defensively even during the Ronaldo era.

Mourinho's trophy haul record is second none. If you want to have a go at Mourinho the only serious argument against him is the risk of turning the club into a cringey circus. If that risk is unacceptably high I get that, but if you can make the leap that he's a more mature man now and will take the job of managing United and maintain decorum seriously, he's in a league well above Pellegrini and Blanc and we would be out of our fukking mind not to hire him.
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Re Point 1: I'll see your Pogba and point out the Pogba was 18 when he moved to Italy. KDB was 22 which is a huge difference. Can you name one player over the age of 20 that SAF let go and that player went on to become one of the best players in the league?

Re Point 2: Mourinho's trophy haul is second to Guardialo's if you look at number of years. And I would add he is second to SAF over the long term.

At this point Mourinho is a risk because of how things ended with RM and Chelsea. And that suggests his judgement and people skills are getting worse. Too many of you are thinking this is the same Mourinho of 10 years ago. Hiring Mourinho could end in disaster and then we are back looking for another manager in 2 or 3 years. Great.
 
gerdm07 said:
Re Point 1: I'll see your Pogba and point out the Pogba was 18 when he moved to Italy. KDB was 22 which is a huge difference. Can you name one player over the age of 20 that SAF let go and that player went on to become one of the best players in the league?

Re Point 2: Mourinho's trophy haul is second to Guardialo's if you look at number of years. And I would add he is second to SAF over the long term.

At this point Mourinho is a risk because of how things ended with RM and Chelsea. And that suggests his judgement and people skills are getting worse. Too many of you are thinking this is the same Mourinho of 10 years ago. Hiring Mourinho could end in disaster and then we are back looking for another manager in 2 or 3 years. Great.
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Any manager could end in disaster. When you look at the realistic options we have, you really think there's better than Jose out there? Please.
 


Don't have a subscription, so maybe someone will summarize the main points of the article.
 
Scorpy said:


Don't have a subscription, so maybe someone will summarize the main points of the article.
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The article is nothing but a summary of what Mourinho has said/done ever since he has retired. Nothing new.
 
gerdm07 said:
Re Point 1: I'll see your Pogba and point out the Pogba was 18 when he moved to Italy. KDB was 22 which is a huge difference. Can you name one player over the age of 20 that SAF let go and that player went on to become one of the best players in the league?

Re Point 2: Mourinho's trophy haul is second to Guardialo's if you look at number of years. And I would add he is second to SAF over the long term.

At this point Mourinho is a risk because of how things ended with RM and Chelsea. And that suggests his judgement and people skills are getting worse. Too many of you are thinking this is the same Mourinho of 10 years ago. Hiring Mourinho could end in disaster and then we are back looking for another manager in 2 or 3 years. Great.
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My impression is that he overestimated his own power against established club legends at RM and Chelsea. He benched Iker Casillas, who was a massive fan favorite and club legend and around that time he started slowly losing control of his locker room and fell out of Perez's favor.

At Chelsea, he started phasing Terry out and tried to sign Stones over the summer, after which started losing control over his players, with the Caneiro incident serving as the catalyst. SAF was able to do whatever he wanted to do here because of his absolute status within the club stemming from his longevity and success. However, that wasn't the case with Mourinho at RM and Chelsea. Both those clubs also both tend to attract divas and mercenaries while having controlling overlords who reign over the managers (Abramovich, Perez), making it a nightmare for the managers.

I would give him the benefit of the doubt over what happened in those two clubs. At the end, his RM team won the league title over Barcelona and he left Chelsea with numerous trophies.
 
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