BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho

Would you be happy to see Jose Mourinho become next United manager?

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stevoc said:
Yeah which ones is what i'm asking, can you give me a few names?

In any case a few rent a quote ex team mates of Giggs saying they would love Ryan to be United Manager doesn't exactly equate to Mourinho not being wanted at United by the people that matter.
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Robson, and Yorke.

It also means what I said though doesn't it? In that he truly isn't wanted at United. They are after all club ambassadors.
 
Von Mistelroum said:
If he's coming, we could increase the chance that people will renew season tickets, ensure that the world knows we're not settling for 'top 4 contender' status, let sponsors/potential sponsors know that we're not a team accepting our decline and perhaps most importantly, ensure that any players we're looking to sign know that we're a genuine option for next season. Put ourselves in their minds by declaring our intentions. Imagine you're trying to decide where to play next season and your options are United, City, Chelsea (if you come to/stay in the PL). You're currently having these clubs enquire about you, so you're wondering what to do. Any of these clubs might (or will) not have CL football next season, but two of them have already shown their hand for next season and have top managers incoming which will see cash injections and a clear intent to get back on top. Pep, in particular, is likely to be a huge pull for a prospective signing.

Of course, as far as you know, United will be sticking with LVG, the herald of misery football himself. Killer of creativity. Death of excitement. Which direction might you be leaning? Sure, in the summer, United might announce a new manager, but by then you may have already settled on a destination, or he might still be settling in while others are conducting early business.

We're going nowhere with Van Gaal, I'll be shocked if we get top 4 playing as we are with this clown in charge. He's in denial and the players seem to know that he's clueless too. I reckon that we could have announced this by now and had done with it, maybe Van Gaal would want to go out on a high, rather than carry on doing his own thing in the hope that one day it'll just click into place. I mean, would we really be playing worse than we already are?
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yeah I was thinking about that earlier when I read that Gundogan was considering offers. Will we miss out on top players like that because of the uncertainty of the manager position?
I have a bad feeling that whoever takes the job will be starting from a position further back on the grid.. just like Moyes did, and we all saw how that turned out.
 
As long as most of the fans want him, Mourinho shouldn't give two hoots what 'ambassadors' have to say. If he gets the job, all he needs to do is concentrate on his job - and getting us winning again. Anybody that doesn't like him behind the scenes he shouldn't worry about. Let them talk, while he hopefully gets the results we want. That should be his only focus.

Frankly I want to slap the owners and Woodward for allowing the ambassadors to push their personal preferences like this. How can you pay people to be ambassadors who completely misjudge (or is ignoring) what the fans want? Not only that, I find it disgusting that they are talking about who should take over whilst the manager is still in place. By all means we want him gone, but as ambassadors you keep your answers vague in public and show some common decency towards the man. What you say in private is entirely your business. But in public, their behaviour is unprofessional.

I really hope Mourinho gets the job and shut them up.
 
Sigma said:
They are not the ones making any sort of decision. I really hope after we listened to our ambassadors over the Moyes signing we won't do the same again.
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I know they are not, but it is clear United are divided over Moureen. Which brings me back to the Moureen quote the other night. "I want to work at a club where I'm truly wanted".
 
Summit said:
Robson, and Yorke.

It also means what I said though doesn't it? In that he truly isn't wanted at United.
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Yeah to be fair mate i some how doubt Bryan and Dwight will be consulted by the board about who should be the next manager of Manchester United.

For all we know Woodward/the board/the Glazers, all want Mourinho and have let him know this. That quote you posted earlier about him wanting to work at a club where he's wanted could have just as easily been a jibe at Chelsea.
 
stevoc said:
Yeah to be fair mate i some how doubt Bryan and Dwight will be consulted by the board about who should be the next manager of Manchester United.

For all we know Woodward/the board/the Glazers, all want Mourinho and have let him know this. That quote you posted earlier about him wanting to work at a club where he's wanted could have just as easily been a jibe at Chelsea.
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Agreed. But when you consider they are really acting as a voice for someone very obvious (who is on the board), then things start to make sense. Tell me, who you think they are acting as a voice for? I know who I think.
 
stevoc said:
Yeah to be fair mate i some how doubt Bryan and Dwight will be consulted by the board about who should be the next manager of Manchester United.

For all we know Woodward/the board/the Glazers, all want Mourinho and have let him know this. That quote you posted earlier about him wanting to work at a club where he's wanted could have just as easily been a jibe at Chelsea.
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Or Real Madrid where he fell out with some of the players who are still there and probably don't want him back.
 
Von Mistelroum said:
If he's coming, we could increase the chance that people will renew season tickets, ensure that the world knows we're not settling for 'top 4 contender' status, let sponsors/potential sponsors know that we're not a team accepting our decline and perhaps most importantly, ensure that any players we're looking to sign know that we're a genuine option for next season. Put ourselves in their minds by declaring our intentions. Imagine you're trying to decide where to play next season and your options are United, City, Chelsea (if you come to/stay in the PL). You're currently having these clubs enquire about you, so you're wondering what to do. Any of these clubs might (or will) not have CL football next season, but two of them have already shown their hand for next season and have top managers incoming which will see cash injections and a clear intent to get back on top. Pep, in particular, is likely to be a huge pull for a prospective signing.

Of course, as far as you know, United will be sticking with LVG, the herald of misery football himself. Killer of creativity. Death of excitement. Which direction might you be leaning? Sure, in the summer, United might announce a new manager, but by then you may have already settled on a destination, or he might still be settling in while others are conducting early business.

We're going nowhere with Van Gaal, I'll be shocked if we get top 4 playing as we are with this clown in charge. He's in denial and the players seem to know that he's clueless too. I reckon that we could have announced this by now and had done with it, maybe Van Gaal would want to go out on a high, rather than carry on doing his own thing in the hope that one day it'll just click into place. I mean, would we really be playing worse than we already are?
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Sponsors, season ticket holders, etc. all meet their end goal when performances are bettered on the pitch. As seen with City, their form considerably dropped when they announced its Pelligrini's last year. Theres no need to take a risk on rocking the boat with our players by declaring the change early. Too much to play for and we cant risk losing focus on the pitch in the key games we have left.

If the credible reports are true then its all in place. Nothing is required to be announced while there are games to play for this season.
 
Summit said:
Agreed. But when you consider they are really acting as a voice for someone very obvious (who is on the board), then things start to make sense. Tell me, who you think they are acting as a voice for? I know who I think.
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Honestly themselves, being a club ambassador is just a PR position. They were probably asked a question about Mourinho, as club employees they aren't going to say ''I think Van Gaal should be sacked and Mourinho appointed'' now are they?

Saying Giggs could be the next manager after Van Gaal is the easy opinion to have that is in no way controversial as Ferguson has said as much himself. But saying Mourinho should be next is though, and might result in a phone call from the office telling them not to publicly speculate on things of that nature.

The club ambassadors will in all likelihood know very little more if anything about the decisions or plans going on at board room level than you or i. I think you are reading way too much into the comments of a few ex players mate.
 
sammsky1 said:
Wasted 30 mins of my life watching this and had to get to the last 60 seconds for the amazing and insightful punchline.

As fans, we spend this crazy amount of our time following football clubs because of how it makes us feel. SAF was the bargain of a lifetime: as a non Manchester based fan, I could live inside this amazing feeling for the cost of my satellite subscription: the emotions I experienced were so superior VS the cost, it's impossible to equate.

The fantastical dream that our most successful ever player, who'd played the most games ever and was a genuine one club man for the entirety of his footballing career by winning things as our manager: that would generate feelings of emotion that perhaps even SAF could not provide. An example: let's assume Giggs is appointed and builds this youthful LVG side into Euro champions in 2019 or 2020. It's almost the impossible dream, a complete fantasy.

What Leeds, Blackburn, Chelsea and Manchester City have proved us that you can buy the premier league in 3 seasons if you throw enough money at your team so that option is always open to us. And I also wanted Mourinho to be appointed straight after SAF, I really wish we'd done that as we would have won something in the past few years and so when Mourinho self combusted, which would have been about now, Giggs could have taken over a squad in better shape.

Old Trafford is supposedly the Theatre of Dreams, our match going fans scream 'we're Man United and we do what we want', and every poster on this board yearns for some local young players to be integrated into the heart of the squad. So let's do things our way and not how other clubs have bought thier way to success through mercenancires.

As the chap in the VDO said, it's not my money, I'm a fan and experiencing fantasy become reality is amazing. So on that basis, though I'd be delighted if the board chose Mourinho, I want Giggs as our next manager.

And unlike many here, I think he'll quickly learn the managerial aspect of his job, in terms of experience of the the club itself, the premier league and European Champions League his exposure is second to none. Just because SAF may have got the Moyes call wrong does not mean this is also a bad call.

If it does not work, we are rich enough to sign a galactio manager. And if we aren't rich Enough, then Some Chinese dude will buy the club off the Glazers and make sure we are.

The Giggs one man club fantasy can only happen once. If he leaves to gain experience Elsewhere, it's over.

Am sure this post will be derided and mocked, ( @devilish ) and if it is I'll say just one thing: think like a fan and not as a club owner: look at the romance of Leicester this year. That's why I loved SAF's journey and I'd like that again sometime soon
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Such sentimentality is just stupid. We didn't get to become one of the biggest clubs on a
English football on such.

It's the funniest thing. One of our greatest ever managers is a former City player. Arguably our worst post the war is a former United player.

Merit and excellence. That's the United way.
 


Samuel Luckhurst from MEN speaking sense (Click to read whole conversation)
 
It's all Guardiola fault.
Ever since he become one of the most successful manager in history, everyone seems to think that a brilliant former player could become a brilliant manager.
Guardiola is a fecking outlier, not the norm.

I still believe Mourinho will be our manager come July. The lack of denial from both sides are deafening. I believe Chelsea prevents him to work with another Premiership club in case his future employer is going to fight for a CL place/title against Chelsea. And I believe Mourinho himself preferred to start clean from the start of the season instead of having to jump in the middle of the season trying to fight for 4th place. I think he knows the risk that if he do that he may not have the club in Champions League, but if he wants to stay long term then there should not be a problem with this
 
Summit said:
Because too many people involved at United are coming out saying Giggs should get the job. That to me isn't being truly wanted is it?
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I don't see that it's relevant. If he has been offered the job he will take it, if he isnt offered the job then he won't be our manager. I doubt he really gives a shit what Rio Ferdinand or Paul Scholes think about it.
 
.Rossi said:
I can imagine big Kev, marching into Roman's office. "This is not my philosophy. I want out!!"

Must mean our players agree with LvG's philosophy so. It's honestly embarassing at this stage
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Well i hope all Glazers and Woodward see is that the value of the club is falling and not listen to Rio subtly bashing Mourinho.
 
.Rossi said:
Rio with the subtle digs at Mourinho on BT

"De Bruyne probably left Chelsea because he didn't agree with Mourinho's philosophy"

Incredible :lol:
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Can't get away from the fact that De Bruyne was a massive feck up by Mourinho.
 
.Rossi said:
Nope. It was a massive blunder....

However, to suggest what Rio is suggesting is hilarious. As Spoony said, one last push to get Giggs in
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His buddies are working overtime now eh?:lol:

From a business perspective, I can't imagine the Glazers putting an unknown in especially with the value of the club falling. They'd have to be the daftest business men alive. Besides, Giggs isn't David Beckham famous - there's literally no appeal like that, so it won't work even for marketing purposes.
 
Jazz said:
His buddies are working overtime now eh?:lol:

From a business perspective, I can't imagine the Glazers putting an unknown in especially with the value of the club falling. They'd have to be the daftest business men alive. Besides, Giggs isn't David Beckham famous - there's literally no appeal like that, so it won't work even for marketing purposes.
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With comments like that from Rio and the utter shite Robson and Yorke are coming out with, it's hard not to ignore the rumours about what's going on.

Robbo actually tried to make it that because Giggs played for Wales, it should be counted as a reason for him to get the job. "People say he lacks experience but, hang on. He played for Wales at international level"

So did Mark Hughes...More experience as a manager and coach than Giggs...Why isn't he in the frame then? Laughable imo
 
.Rossi said:
With comments like that from Rio and the utter shite Robson and Yorke are coming out with, it's hard not to ignore the rumours about what's going on.

Robbo actually tried to make it that because Giggs played for Wales, it should be counted as a reason for him to get the job. "People say he lacks experience but, hang on. He played for Wales at international level"

So did Mark Hughes...More experience as a manager and coach than Giggs...Why isn't he in the frame then? Laughable imo
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Hargreaves for England then?
 
.Rossi said:
With comments like that from Rio and the utter shite Robson and Yorke are coming out with, it's hard not to ignore the rumours about what's going on.

Robbo actually tried to make it that because Giggs played for Wales, it should be counted as a reason for him to get the job. "People say he lacks experience but, hang on. He played for Wales at international level"

So did Mark Hughes...More experience as a manager and coach than Giggs...Why isn't he in the frame then? Laughable imo
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He was definitely pissed when he made that remark:lol:
 
I think its the effort by the club, its propaganda for getting giggs on the good books of fans. If he gets the job the fans should riot.
 
Maradona10 said:
I think its the effort by the club, its propaganda for getting giggs on the good books of fans. If he gets the job the fans should riot.
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But surely not Woodward? Giggs must know himself that the fans just don't want him right now, if he comes in then the mood is going to be dire, and unless he flawless form the start then the pressure is going to be on him instantly, hardly a good way to start your management career.

The time might come for Giggs but it would be poison if he took it now, and you have to hope for Giggs sake he isn't given the job.
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
But surely not Woodward? Giggs must know himself that the fans just don't want him right now, if he comes in then the mood is going to be dire, and unless he flawless form the start then the pressure is going to be on him instantly, hardly a good way to start your management career.

The time might come for Giggs but it would be poison if he took it now, and you have to hope for Giggs sake he isn't given the job.
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But that's just it - he knows the majority of the fans are against him being appointed at this moment. There was an article where it was stated that Giggs knows this but he believes he's ready. Honestly, either ambition has completely blinded him, or he has no self awareness. What's clear is that he obviously doesn't take a logical view to this else he would have his friends/ex teammates stop pushing him for a job he's not ready for, and is more likely than not to back fire so badly for him.
 
.Rossi said:
With comments like that from Rio and the utter shite Robson and Yorke are coming out with, it's hard not to ignore the rumours about what's going on.

Robbo actually tried to make it that because Giggs played for Wales, it should be counted as a reason for him to get the job. "People say he lacks experience but, hang on. He played for Wales at international level"

So did Mark Hughes...More experience as a manager and coach than Giggs...Why isn't he in the frame then? Laughable imo
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How can you expect Hughes to be in the frame under that criteria when we've got viable candidates like Craig Bellamy and Robert Earnshaw?
 
"People say he lacks experience but, hang on. He played for Wales at international level"
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Hang on...that's like asking for a banjo player and getting a cellist.
 
Mainoldo said:
Wasn't it said he was told he would be used as squad rotation and he didn't like it?!
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Jose said he told KdB that there were no guarantee starters in his squad and that he would have to compete with Oscar, Mata, and Hazard for a spot. KdB didn't like that. So he asked to be sold. To be fair to Jose, he started KdB for the first three games that year, and when he dropped him to give Mata and Oscar playing time, KdB flipped.

What did you expect for a manager coming into a team with a new squad. He had to see what his best team was. KdB comes off as a mentally weak person, much like Lukaku, and I doubt Jose tolerates these characters.
 
mbb8 said:
Jose said he told KdB that there were no guarantee starters in his squad and that he would have to compete with Oscar, Mata, and Hazard for a spot. KdB didn't like that. So he asked to be sold. To be fair to Jose, he started KdB for the first three games that year, and when he dropped him to give Mata and Oscar playing time, KdB flipped.

What did you expect for a manager coming into a team with a new squad. He had to see what his best team was. KdB comes off as a mentally weak person, much like Lukaku, and I doubt Jose tolerates these characters.
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fecking Jose and his antics. Evil
 
Tbf I don't even mind the idea of someone not wanting Mourinho, or even at favouring Giggs. Football is a game of varying opinions, after all, even if I find it absurd for Giggs to be given the job.

But it is baffling to see people presumably paid to air their own opinions coming out with utterly ridiculous and ludicrous stuff like the Giggs international appearances argument.
 
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