If we dont sack van gaal and sign mourinho, well there should be mass protests.
BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho
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Replacing van Gaal at the end of the season would be a wholly understandable decision, but I'm glad the club has shown so much patience. I see a lot of posts about "accepting mediocrity" if you don't fire your manager after poor results, but look at AC Milan, who went through Seedorf, Inzaghi and are now going to fire Mihailovic and bring in Brochi. And they're still in sixth place.
Why? Up until the Tottenham game Top 4 was more than plausible and we are still in the Quarters of the FA Cup. No need to rock the boat if anything is agreed. Even now - 4 points off City with them to play Chelsea and Arsenal makes it interesting. We wouldn't announce anything until its mathematically impossible to reach top 4.
Emotion is a funny thing. How many times have you heard a manager, such as Kevin Keegan or Stuart Pearce, speak of 'passion', 'honesty' and 'getting the crowd on our side' as if they were bona fide managerial tactics. All too often in football, emotion is used to compensate for a lack of strategy and planning, a get-out-of-jail card for the bluffers and the halfwits.
I agree that Giggs would generate a surge of emotion, but that would quickly subside when we started losing again, as we almost certainly would given he would be pitting his wits against Guardiola, Klopp, Conte, Wenger and the rest. There's a small chance that Giggs would take to management instantly, and restore the thrilling, successful brand of football we used to enjoy. But it's far more likely that he'd be overwhelmed by the relentless competition of the PL, we'd endure another season of mediocrity and the manager would be unable to outwit the highly experienced coaches he came up against - a fundamental precondition for playing attractive, dominant style of football.
People talk about the United Way, but the United Way isn't to promote our own players as managers. In fact to my knowledge we've only done that once in our entire history, and that ended in disaster when Wilf McGuiness was sacked inside two years. Fans (at least the ones I've spoken to) would ideally want a manager who had a previous connection with the club, but on the condition that said manager also had a proven track record. If they had to choose between a proven manager and a legendary former United player, most would pick the former.
I'm from Manchester myself, but I guess I just don't buy into all this 'United Way' stuff as readily as others. For me a lot of it is Scouse-style self-mythologising, embellished by the club for marketing purposes. I remember players like Robson, Stam and Kanchelskis with just as much affection as Beckham, Scholes and Giggs - to me they're all professionals playing for United for money, and their origin doesn't matter. It's the same with managers.
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I don't think that was the impatience.. But all them inexperienced ex players!!
We probably should take note.
Has anyone hypothesized that Van Gaal could be clued in on the Mourinho will come type stuff and is happy to step behind the scenes come the start of next season to tidy up loose ends and what not? I mean, they both have a pretty good working relationship and I could see something like that being a reality. Maybe a sneaky payout of his contract for a farewell to Portugal.
It's pretty obvious Jose will be our next manager and we're waiting for the end of the season to announce it.
Don't know why people are throwing fits it hasn't been announced yet.
Don't know why people are throwing fits it hasn't been announced yet.
This is the Mourinho thread. Why are people posting stuff about Giggs?
Because they don't frigging listen
It just goes to show how sick people are of LVG and his crap. We desperately need to know that he will be gone no matter how likely it is that Jose is coming.
Because they don't frigging listen
Please bear with us as it is squeaky bum time regards to what's going to happen, nobody knows and it is like being lost in the desert with not a drop of water in sight(the water being Mourinho or LvG being sacked). And this is the only place where we can have a rant!
i think it's becoming obvious he isn't going to be.
Still 100% confident it's happening and have frankly no reason to change my mind.
How?
I'm beginning to worry that he won't be coming either due to the sheer volume of people at the club, ambassadors mainly who keep talking up Ryan Giggs and publically saying that Jose is the wrong man for the job. I know these people have no final say in the outcome but if I were Jose I wouldn't be made to feel welcomed by all these people saying the things they are.
Not to mention that LVG is still in charge despite shit result after shit result. It made sense to sack him in December and we didn't, nothing fills me with confidence they we'll do the right thing now.
If Giggs was going to take the job long term it would have happened already. There's definitely questions over why LVG wasn't shitcanned already but I have little doubt that he's only seeing out the season because his successor is unable to start work yet.
To me, that's one of the biggest indicators of Mourinho getting the job. I think its becoming clear that Mourinho is on some form of contractual pay out from Chelsea as i and many others on here speculated at the time. If club wanted Mourinho and couldnt appoint him until the summer, what do you do with LVG? It was also widely speculated that Giggs didnt want the job on a temporary basis and would only take it permanently. So, what would you have done?
I agree it made sense, but there are also a few other factors to consider. Of course, if we do not end up appointing Mourinho then all i have just said is tripe and i'll be the first to ask the question of why Woodward didnt sack him in December.
It's Del Bosque, they are after experience.
I'm looking forward to the outpouring of relief when Mourinho is confirmed, this'll be a happy place.
Various ambassadors coming out saying Giggs is the man. Mourinho himself saying he wants to go to a place where he's truly wanted . Clearly he isn't truly wanted at United.
This is precisely how I view the Jose' situation.
It will happen, of that I'm sure, it's just a matter of time and patience.
Meh, the people that matter aren't saying dick and if it was Giggs long term he'd have taken over by now.
Hope you are right.
Bet accounts on it?
If he's coming, we could increase the chance that people will renew season tickets, ensure that the world knows we're not settling for 'top 4 contender' status, let sponsors/potential sponsors know that we're not a team accepting our decline and perhaps most importantly, ensure that any players we're looking to sign know that we're a genuine option for next season. Put ourselves in their minds by declaring our intentions. Imagine you're trying to decide where to play next season and your options are United, City, Chelsea (if you come to/stay in the PL). You're currently having these clubs enquire about you, so you're wondering what to do. Any of these clubs might (or will) not have CL football next season, but two of them have already shown their hand for next season and have top managers incoming which will see cash injections and a clear intent to get back on top. Pep, in particular, is likely to be a huge pull for a prospective signing.
Of course, as far as you know, United will be sticking with LVG, the herald of misery football himself. Killer of creativity. Death of excitement. Which direction might you be leaning? Sure, in the summer, United might announce a new manager, but by then you may have already settled on a destination, or he might still be settling in while others are conducting early business.
We're going nowhere with Van Gaal, I'll be shocked if we get top 4 playing as we are with this clown in charge. He's in denial and the players seem to know that he's clueless too. I reckon that we could have announced this by now and had done with it, maybe Van Gaal would want to go out on a high, rather than carry on doing his own thing in the hope that one day it'll just click into place. I mean, would we really be playing worse than we already are?
I've heard talk of Hitzfeld
Not exactly. They could be going down the 3 years of Van Gaal and then Giggs route.
I still feel it will be Mourinho but the above scenario wouldn't surprise me either.
I think we can agree to disagree on that one.
I dont think there is any sane board that would keep LVG and not appoint an available Jose.
Agree completely with this. I said it on the LVG out thread, the feeling I'm getting from the club is that we're accepting this decline. Announce Mourinho already and our intentions to get back to the top along with it. The talk regarding City's announcement of Pep ruining their season is rubbish IMO, the De Bruyne injury hurt them the most, along with Aguero' spells on the sick bench. Nothing to do with the announcement, and honestly, can our season get any fecking worse? who gives a rats arse about LVG's pride at this point, he's a poisonous fool.
Well I think that is a tad ironic considering our board did just that when we went for Moyes over him...
Why would I do that cause I feel the opposite to you?
I'd love for him to be our manager, but just not feeling it over recent weeks. People are allowed a different understanding to how things are unfolding you know.Not been following it but by any chance have all these ambassadors played with Giggs at some stage in their career?
So if asked the question could Giggs manage Man Utd or similar they are hardly going to say ''Nah Giggsy would be shit we should hire Mourinho''.
Also it made sense to sack Moyes long before we did as well but they persevered until nearly the end of the season for reasons unknown. If we don't finish in the top 4 then he will be 100% sacked he has pretty much confirmed this himself.
How do we know this exactly?
Why would I do that cause I feel the opposite to you?
Yeah no idea why I asked that
Because too many people involved at United are coming out saying Giggs should get the job. That to me isn't being truly wanted is it?
Like who?
Our club ambassadors for a start.
Yeah which ones is what i'm asking, can you give me a few names?
In any case a few rent a quote ex team mates of Giggs saying they would love Ryan to be United Manager doesn't exactly equate to Mourinho not being wanted at United by the people that matter.
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