If we're keen on a manager that fits our particular ethos then a bunch of guys who like blowing the blithering feck out of everything within a hundred miles of them on a whim would naturally be drawn to Mourinho.
BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho
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This thread's gone downhill rapid. I'm off to watch Mourinho: A Warning From History.
There's no beating around the bush here, that's the way I think. Some people like it, others absolutely hate it and the most brilliant ones tend to go between the lines and understand my line of thought. Its up to the individual poster to decide whether they want to read my posts or not and I respect that. In matter of fact I try to answer every single post even those who are most critical. However no one can expect to change me either.
Some people think I hate the class of 92 which I don't. I tend to be critical at the concept of it, ie that average players like Phil can mingle with top quality talent like Scholes and be branded as equal legends under the class of 92, however I tend to emphasise that Scholes, Giggs and Beckham were three unique players which enriched our club history. PS is an incredible story and in my opinion he was the most effective attacking midfielder of his generation (not the most talented, Zidane was, but Zidane was inconsistent, Scholes was simply superb). Giggs was one of the most talented wingers I've ever seen. On his day he was unstoppable. Beckham wasn't as allrounder as the other two but his passing skills were unmatched. He is the best crosser of the ball the world had ever seen. I am absolutely grateful to Giggs and Scholes for sticking to the club when it made more financial sense to do a Beckham and feck off to Real. Its so easy for a the Neville brothers, Oshea or Butt to be loyal at United. I mean, its not as if Real, Barcelona and co came knocking at their door. However things are different for the likes of Giggs and Scholes whom, at their best, had the world at their feet. That demands respect.
However that respect start and end as players. Once they step into another area they have to proof their worth before even thinking of managing United. That's not limited to the class of 92. I believe Maradona was the best player in the world and a much better player then the other Argentinian midget. However I would be equally critical if his name was linked to United as manager. What truly infuriate me is that this idea that Giggs becomes United manager is horrible for both parties
a- United would end up with a manager whose so green that he pisses grass at a time when the club is at its weakest
b- Ryan Giggs risks ruining his reputation at United, a reputation he worked so hard for and which basically guarantee him a prestigious job with us irrespective on whether he becomes a successful manager or not
B is quite significant. Think about it
- If Giggs leaves and becomes a successful manager then he will return at OT as his own man. No one will doubt his decisions and he will need the endorsement of anyone to do his job
- If he fails to become a United level of manager (the chances are reasonably high, lets face it not many are cut for such level) then he will return as director. Nearly every club in the world has a director whose previously been a player and with Charlton in his late 70s we can safely say that he wont last in the role for very long. Who is more suited for that role then the most decorated player of United history? That wont happen if Giggs is sacked by the Glazers because he fecked big time as manager
I believe that whoever is giving Giggs the advice to aim for the job is doing a disservice not only to the club but to the former player himself. Hence why I am pissed off
That's an interesting angle devilish. We do need more football men on the board. However, I'm not sure Giggs would be willing to take up such a low-key role at this time. Gary Nev just quit a job in Sky where he was getting plenty of plaudits for a chance to coach. Would Giggs really be OK with being relegated to a backroom role? I think he'd want to try his hand at managing somewhere first, at least.
He can't because he is
- so expensive in terms of wages, expenses
- not a big fan of children: he prefers old people like etoo and ibra
If we don't sign him at the end of the season. I'D BE PISSED. LVG deserves credit for his squad overall and implementing a style of play where we don't fear playing anybody. But that's as far as he can take us.
Mourinho in and continue to buy the best young talent and we could participate in the fight for the title next season.
Mourinho in and continue to buy the best young talent and we could participate in the fight for the title next season.
That would be his plan b if things doesn't work out as manager. Also being a director doesn't necessary mean vanishing in the club's bureaucratic alleys. Nedved has an active role at Juventus. Charlton will always be remembered as the man who insisted on bringing SAF at OT.
Seriously, once someone whispered in his ears that he may become our new manager I can't see how things can work out for him if he remains at United.
A- He will remain an assistant manager with the new manager constantly treating him like a potential threat
B- He actually get the managerial role and he would be the board's puppet since he's got no managerial experience and relies heavily on SAF/Charlton's endorsement. Considering the massive task at hand, he will probably fail to achieve the high expectations set which means that he would probably end up sacked and which will also means burning bridges with the club in the process
Irrespective on whether he wants to be a manager or not he's better off away from OT. If he succeed as manager then he will return at OT. If he doesn't succeed there's always a job available for him, probably as Charlton's successor but could be as a scout, ambassador or coach.
I guess the question here is whether Giggs thinks he can't stand out enough as manager of a lesser bunch of players. It's a long and difficult road back to OT if you start small. Just look at Ole's career. If Giggs won a trophy with United he'd likely get a few more jobs on the back of that even if he got sacked. If he goes to a small club and has a mediocre first season he's probably finished as a coach. I can't really blame Giggs for wanting the job, tbh. It's the club's fault if they give it to him.
Get him in now.
Ole was a glorified upgrade of Hernandez. Giggs is a homegrown talent and the most decorated player in the club's history. He's been with United since he was 13. There's a big difference between the two.
Also kindly note that the vast majority of managers had started out with small clubs (Simeone, Mourinho, SAF, Pocchetino, Ancelotti, Klopp etc). Its actually helpful for them as they can commit the mistakes usually done by rookies without having the media and the fans breathing at their neck. The lingo is mostly the same. They start with a small club, they do well there and then they move to a better club and repeat the same cycle until the big guys notice. Surely someone at OT would have told him that, unless, they have a different agenda which contrast the best benefit of the legend.
Seriously mate think about it. What is better for Giggs?
a- leave United and take his chances as manager elsewhere. Irrespective of what happens he can return to United either as manager or as director. After all Giggs would not be the first director who became so after a disastrous managerial campaign (Preston)
b- take his chance now. He would probably not be his own man (a substantial number of rookies who were hired by the big guys were nothing but glorified puppets) and if shit hits fan he would ruin his spotless reputation with United and probably burn bridges with the club
Really hope the precontract talk is real. It would be a disaster if we missed out on him this summer.
Good weekend for Jose then.
Is the Syria job, a euphemism for the United job?
Someone one here afraid that LvG will continue 
someone just added another £1m to his annual contract negotiations if we do come calling. we're desperate for him after his managerial decisions.
Forget Jose yelling at the physio for running on to the pitch for a player faking injury, Louie just put freaking Young as our striker, after taking a striker off and keeping Martial on the wing...sweet lord I'm actually having heart palputations on this
Forget Jose yelling at the physio for running on to the pitch for a player faking injury, Louie just put freaking Young as our striker, after taking a striker off and keeping Martial on the wing...sweet lord I'm actually having heart palputations on this
someone just added another £1m to their annual contract negotiation after Louie's performance today.
Jose...please...just...please...
feck that twat. he doesn't know shit.
I sure hope so.
Spot on Devilish. I've been trying to say something similar for a while on the forum. Plus Giggs himself shouldn't need someone to point his out. This is surely the most logical path to take.
Looks like. Be even better for him if we lose to West Ham, because I surely have no confidence we'll beat them.
This
If we end up missing out on Jose we're absolute morons. That's all.
Surely that journo is taking the piss?
The "journalists" know about as much as that IndyKaila guy on Twitter does. I mean how far behind every bit of news involving United have they been in the last few years? Christ, some of them were stood outside the training ground waiting for Schweinsteiger's car to arrive and managed to miss Schneiderlin driving past them. In some cases, having just written that the former's transfer meant the latter's was off.
Edit: Having managed to finally get it to load properly, cheers Sky Broadband, what an amazing piece of journalism that is. Just the three uses of the words 'think' and 'could' in the space of two sentences from Wallace. Whereas Samuel's views come with the self-admittance that he has no evidence for any of it. Not that opening his statements with "If" and "They might" didn't give it away before then. You could copy and paste any post made in this thread and it would have just as much credibility as anything the pair said there. Journalism is dead.
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I hope that scruffy sod Samuel is right.
The more telling thing about that article is Martin Samuel who says that there isn't a single agent or player representative that knows what's happening at United, in regards to next season - unlike Chelsea and Manchester City.
As a club, we've been particularly poor at stopping leaks leaving the club, so to me that strikes us as not actually having a plan. If anything, everything linking us to Jose is likely to emanate entirely from Jose's camp and United have simply not done anything about the speculation.
A shit show on and off the field, if you will.
It's going to be 2 seasons out of 3 when the self-styled biggest club in the world is not in the Champions League. And even in the best case scenario, it will be 4 years that have passed since we played in the knock out round. And yet people on here continue to hold their nose when Mourinho is mentioned while treating Wenger as a joke for only getting to the last 16 every year.
I think there are two certainties that are going to happen between now and the beginning of next season.
1. Villa will be relegated and 2. Mourinho will be our manager.
At present appointing Mourinho is slightly shading it, just a question of time which one will be the first to be confirmed
1. Villa will be relegated and 2. Mourinho will be our manager.
At present appointing Mourinho is slightly shading it, just a question of time which one will be the first to be confirmed
Bring him in now! He rejected Syria, clearly loves United
But in all seriousness, bringing in Mourinho is clearly the better option atm just based on the fact that he will be prepared and have a plan. He is scouting players and planning for next season already.
The only option available really, and clearly by far the best one if we want to have any chance of getting back on track.
Why would you be desperate to keep a loser? Then again our board are idiots and I know to expect the worst these days.
Or, probably nearer the truth, none that he knows (if he even knows any at all) are talking.
1. Any one who says Mourinho should not be our next manager should be banned
2. If we do not get him, man utd fans (the whole 600 zillion of the clubs claims) should protest against everyone.
Shameful, disgraceful, embarrassing, deluded mind numbing management. Any one wanting giggs needs some sense knocked into them with a baseball bat on their head. Villa/Liverpool/West ham, Arsenal fans are better than our fans, who cant show their disappointment at anything because they have to support a failing club, cause thats what real fans do. Well you can stick your real fandom up your arse. We are far away from being the biggest club in the world and by god we have the most deluded set of fans.
2. If we do not get him, man utd fans (the whole 600 zillion of the clubs claims) should protest against everyone.
Shameful, disgraceful, embarrassing, deluded mind numbing management. Any one wanting giggs needs some sense knocked into them with a baseball bat on their head. Villa/Liverpool/West ham, Arsenal fans are better than our fans, who cant show their disappointment at anything because they have to support a failing club, cause thats what real fans do. Well you can stick your real fandom up your arse. We are far away from being the biggest club in the world and by god we have the most deluded set of fans.
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