BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho

Would you be happy to see Jose Mourinho become next United manager?


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no way do I see Wenger being sacked or resigning.

He is an honorable man and will see out his contract. The board owe him so much. No way do I see him being sacked. Yes very difficult now to win the title.He may get Arsenal into second.
 
Arsenal board could feel enough is enough and Arsene's replacement could be available now as we are dithering, where else in England could he possibley go if we wants to work within a budget he is used too. I did say he loves London and he would go there if offered in my opinion.
1) No Arsenal fan or Arsenal journalist are thinking that Arsenal's board would ever sack Wenger.......they're 100% loyal to him.
Show me a betting site where i can bet 1000 quids on that Arsenal will not sack Wenger and i will put the money on it.
There's only way that Arsenal are getting a new manager -> Wenger must go

2) IF (Massive "If") they would do it then they wouldn't replace him with someone who hates Wenger and Wenger hates that guy too.
 
Arsenal board could feel enough is enough and Arsene's replacement could be available now as we are dithering, where else in England could he possibley go if we wants to work within a budget he is used too. I did say he loves London and he would go there if offered in my opinion.
Stan Kroenke doesn't seem like a man who cares about winning trophies. He even said in an interview recently he didn't buy the club to win trophies or something like that.

There's absolutely no way they will sack wenger after nearly 20 years of service when his contract has a year left on it and he can retire with some respect. It would be a very embarrassing way for him to leave and I think he has a good relationship with the board who don't really seem concerned with trophies anyway
 
He is coming. What other club in England would he want to manage? He says there is no contract yet but that doesn't mean there isn't an agreement to sign one. Him taking over in the summer must have been equally beneficial to honor his exit with Chelsea as well as United's current situation with LVG. It makes sense. Let LVG run out the season. It would be madness to let Giggs take over until the end of the season and do a great job, then say sorry Giggsy, we hired Jose.

If we don't hire him we're going to waste a few more years dilly dallying around and we'll be right back where we started post Fergie.
 
I wouldn't be so sure about that.

There's two ironmongers on the high St near where live. Both had store managers who were moving on for different reasons, the choices they made for their succession plans were very interesting.

One ironmonger had a guy who'd worked at the store for more than 20 years. The punters loved him. He was among the best at shelf stacking you've ever seen, but his talents didn't stop there. He had a way with customers, you went in there to buy a frying pan but you came out groaning under the weight of kitchenware. He held the record for the number of knives sold in a single day 4 years in a row. There were sales in that time that were so dazzling they still talk about them at the Annual Global Ironmongers Summit 15 years later.

About 5 minutes down the road, on the other side of the street, was another ironmongery. This one was anything but a world class retail space. As far as people from this town were concerned, this was a place to go in the unlikely event that the other one was sold out of what you were looking for, or if you were in a rush and were on the side of town that made this one closer. It did a reasonable business among OOTers because I live in a historic market town with its fair share of tourists, and it was closer to the train station. I am not saying it was a dump per se, but its staff were not people who had grown up with ironmongery, or even metallurgy, in their blood. There was no sense of passion in this shop, so it was regarded as a functional space, rather than one of passion.

The first ironmonger promoted its star salesman to store manager, but this was where things started to go wrong. You see, while he was a fantastic salesman, and knew the store, and its wares, inside out, he had no head for strategy. And the more time he spent organising the financial and administrative aspects of the stop, the less time he had to spend with the customers. He could replenish the shelves in that shop faster than anyone else had ever stacked a shelf but instead of doing that, while others toiled in the shop at night, he puzzled over spreadsheets that left him feeling confused and frustrated. And, sad to say, the fortunes of the shop turned.

The other shop had no loyalties to any of its staff, none of whom had been there for longer than 6 months or had any claim to understanding the nuances of ironmonger management. Instead, they looked far and wide for someone with retail management experience who could come and change its fortunes. They found a guy who had previously managed a Holland & Barret in Winchester, people had come to buy their vitamin tablets from as far away as Reading. This guy knew how to get things done, he came to the shop and changed things around, brought in the most modern retail practises, changed the store layout, got in new staff and changed their incentives to make the place an amazing place to work.

This was 5 years ago. I havent been into the first ironmonger for the last 2 years and I dont know anyone else who has. But the second now enjoys a status much like the first one used to. People dont just go in there to buy saucepans anymore. It is a place people go to meet and greet, to browse and to laugh.

The moral of this story? The Peter Principle applies, even in lowly, regional ironmongery.

This is my favourite ironmonger post of all time. This is sticky status!
 
As in, it was nixed. Straight away, before there was any proper "rebuilding" from Moyes. I have no idea how that can carry "lasting impact" when the next guy came in straight away and turned us away from what United has been for 50 years and drove full throttle down a dead end under the guise of a rebuild in his image that the club didn't need.

Anyway, this is off topic and you're being excessively myopic, pedantic and pursuing an argument that barely exists. So I'm just going to leave it.
In that case LVG won't have any lasting impact either when the next manager comes in and makes changes fairly quickly. And that will most definitely happen. I don't believe in these drab and singular ideas of a clubs "way". Evolving, adapting and experimenting is part of life and football. And changes aren't as monumentally long lasting as you're making them out to be amidst your anti LVG agenda.

I'm afraid when such terrible logic is used, an argument most definitely exists. But yes, it is off topic.
 
That could just as easily describe the Moyes era.

We were just as boring under Moyes if not more so, and we were shit to boot. Shitter than we are now in fact. Lets not rewrite history.

That year almost to a man an entire squad of multiple title winners started playing like mid-table plodders.
Indeed. Such a decamation of a title winning team and their belief, is extremely long lasting. Playing with no plan, no coordination and complete cluelessness is just as much a different path from the SAF way, as is slow possession football. In the end it's not that they were different that is important, it's that they were ineffective.
 
uh? I might have misinterpreted your last post and i apologize if i did but you seemed to be implying i was somehow defending LVG and trying to make out we were not currently boring.
No harm done, lad.

I'm afraid when such terrible logic is used, an argument most definitely exists. But yes, it is off topic.
Yes, agreed. You've made a bit of a meal of it.
 
Please name one who was available that you think might have taken the job for a few months and was up to the task other than Hiddink
How would I know "who would have taken the job and was up to the task"? I didn't canvass all the out-of-a-job managers and it's not my job to do so.

If Chelsea had your reasoning they wouldn't have sacked Mourinho in the first place.
 
I think city's fixture list is very tough. They play southampton, chelsea, stoke and arsenal in 4 of last 6. Arsenal play easy games and will cement 3rd spot. You cant say anything about us, we may win today and against leicester and lose to villa and palace. There is a big chance we get top 4 if we can close the gap to 1 point again today.
It wont be good for mourinho, but the club doing well is the best thing. I want mourinho and top 4, hopefully they are not interlinked and we get him even if Lvg reaches top4. Imagine guardiola starting his man city reign in europa league. while we give mourinho a champions league chance. Wonderful !
 
My source know because the team he work with need to plan for next season. Its a lot going on before next season, a new manager is not a small issue for a club as big as ours.

According to the fans it's fairly simple. Just fire the old one and get a new one in. Like 2 phone calls. But the media aren't reporting anything. Means nothing is done. Hence our board and CEO are asinine fools, making it up as they go along.
 
My source know because the team he work with need to plan for next season. Its a lot going on before next season, a new manager is not a small issue for a club as big as ours.
It's no different from any other EPL club appointing a new manager. The issues are still the same.
 
Well we can always revert to plan A ie LVG stays for another year then cone carrier takes over aided by the English Conquistadores of Valencia
 
Stan Kroenke doesn't seem like a man who cares about winning trophies. He even said in an interview recently he didn't buy the club to win trophies or something like that.

There's absolutely no way they will sack wenger after nearly 20 years of service when his contract has a year left on it and he can retire with some respect. It would be a very embarrassing way for him to leave and I think he has a good relationship with the board who don't really seem concerned with trophies anyway
Wenger has worked relative miracles on behalf of the Arsenal ownership. Consistent strong, CL-worthy performances and, thus, revenue without requiring major investment - he's an owner's dream. They haven't had to take out major debt to fund the team, he keeps their cost of ownership down. And like the Glazers, Arsenal's owners are cashing in on something they didn't really help build so who better to keep running the show than the guy who knows it best?
 
He had every opportunity to completely deny going to United or having talks with United, and instead he basically said, "I'm not telling you"

I think he's coming more now than before I watched that video
 
He had every opportunity to completely deny going to United or having talks with United, and instead he basically said, "I'm not telling you"

I think he's coming more now than before I watched that video
On the contrary, it could mean he's definitely not coming here but wants his suitors to infer he is so they up their offers ;)
 
I think it's telling that when he's asked about other jobs which have a manager he states that club already has a manager. He's clearly been sounded out and is ours if we want him. LVG needs to do something extraordinary in these last two months to save his job. For instance if we win all our games we'd end up second with an FA Cup, there's no way he'd be sacked then.
 
There are a very great number of differences, but still this thread is:

30% debate over whether Mourinho is wanted
20% talk of media speculation
20% taking about Moyes and Giggs
10% posts of "I'll lol so hard when this doesn't happen"
10% posts calling the above 10% idiots
7% Randall saying Mourinho took Chelsea to 16th and nothing else matters
3% people comparing the size of the thread to transfer forum threads

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My source know because the team he work with need to plan for next season. Its a lot going on before next season, a new manager is not a small issue for a club as big as ours.

Everything is a big deal for a 'big' club like ours. Chelsea, Shitty, Bayern and co can find quality managers quite easily while we dig deep in the management's trash can, bringing in losers who play a 6.5ft freak upfront and relics who last won the CL when Mark Hughes was still playing for us. Oh well if shit hits fan we can always resort to the one who served as cone carrier for the past two years or better still the pundit who took Valencia by surprise. They certainly know the club inside out.

On a serious note we should stop saying that we are a big club and start acting like one
 
Everything is a big deal for a 'big' club like ours. Chelsea, Shitty, Bayern and co can find quality managers quite easily while we dig deep in the management's trash can, bringing in losers who play a 6.5ft freak upfront and relics who last won the CL when Mark Hughes was still playing for us. Oh well if shit hits fan we can always resort to the one who served as cone carrier for the past two years or better still the pundit who took Valencia by surprise. They certainly know the club inside out.

On a serious note we should stop saying that we are a big club and start acting like one
Very apt tagline :lol:
 
Everything is a big deal for a 'big' club like ours. Chelsea, Shitty, Bayern and co can find quality managers quite easily while we dig deep in the management's trash can, bringing in losers who play a 6.5ft freak upfront and relics who last won the CL when Mark Hughes was still playing for us. Oh well if shit hits fan we can always resort to the one who served as cone carrier for the past two years or better still the pundit who took Valencia by surprise. They certainly know the club inside out.

On a serious note we should stop saying that we are a big club and start acting like one
Come on devilish. It seems that in every post of yours you need to mention (take a dig at) Giggs/Neville (CO '92). It's not necessary.
 
Everything is a big deal for a 'big' club like ours. Chelsea, Shitty, Bayern and co can find quality managers quite easily while we dig deep in the management's trash can, bringing in losers who play a 6.5ft freak upfront and relics who last won the CL when Mark Hughes was still playing for us. Oh well if shit hits fan we can always resort to the one who served as cone carrier for the past two years or better still the pundit who took Valencia by surprise. They certainly know the club inside out.

On a serious note we should stop saying that we are a big club and start acting like one

I agree. We are very good at almost everything, but we need to show it in every regard.
 
Come on devilish. It seems that in every post of yours you need to mention (take a dig at) Giggs/Neville (CO '92). It's not necessary.

Giggs was a world class winger and of the best wingers of his generation. Gaz was a solid fullback and is the best pundit in Britain. However we are talking about coaching/managerial level here and none of them should be remotely linked to united

PS I also wrote on a serious note in the second paragraph. Which makes the first paragraph....
 
Giggs was a world class winger and of the best wingers of his generation. Gaz was a solid fullback and is the best pundit in Britain. However we are talking about coaching/managerial level here and none of them should be remotely linked to united

PS I also wrote on a serious note in the second paragraph. Which makes the first paragraph....

He doesnt say you are wong, just that you always try to put Giggs or Neville in it and have a dig at them, which is true by the way, but still 'boring'.
 
Giggs was a world class winger and of the best wingers of his generation. Gaz was a solid fullback and is the best pundit in Britain. However we are talking about coaching/managerial level here and none of them should be remotely linked to united

Here's an idea, stop bringing them up every second post you make when nobody else is even discussing them.

Your shoehorning them into every bloody thread to make irrelevant digs is tiresome.
 
Parked the bus at the boxing tonight :lol:

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He looks lost.
 
He's shaking his head in the interview wich of course means the opposite. He's coming.
 
He doesnt say you are wong, just that you always try to put Giggs or Neville in it and have a dig at them, which is true by the way, but still 'boring'.

I wouldn't be doing that if I didn't believe that there are people within the club who are pushing for Giggs to take over. Maybe I am wrong (and I hope I am) but I am seeing a repeat to the Moyes story here. Ie for some 'strange reason' the club takes ages to sign the new manager, meanwhile all quality managers move elsewhere and we're 'forced' to stick to LVG and get Giggs the year after. When shit hits fan history will be revised and the 'chosen one' would turn into the 3rd-4th choice that no one really wanted.

With all due respect, that type of attitude is more suited to a 3rd rated club and not a 'big club' we claim to be. If we are a big club then we should act like one. That means that our board will have to take decisions and aim for the best people for the best roles. If we repeately fail in doing that then either we're not the big club we claim to be or else someone is not doing his job correctly
 
Worst kept secret in football.

He's wanted the United job for years, we've obviously promised him it at the end of the season and he's just keeping quiet until it's dealt with.

Woodward hasn't said anything to LVG to let him concentrate on the job, and will either sack him or let him step down to take the Dutch job.

If mourinho wasn't available I would probably give him 1 last chance, but we can't miss out on a manager like him, and LVG won't take us forward, we are just going in circles with him.
 
Is he coming or not?

We should have a Mourinhometer for a handy quick reference for the strongest theories for and against.
 
I know I said yesterday I was starting to have doubts but after watching that video it has made me somewhat convinced he will be coming here.
 
I wouldn't be doing that if I didn't believe that there are people within the club who are pushing for Giggs to take over. Maybe I am wrong (and I hope I am) but I am seeing a repeat to the Moyes story here. Ie for some 'strange reason' the club takes ages to sign the new manager, meanwhile all quality managers move elsewhere and we're 'forced' to stick to LVG and get Giggs the year after. When shit hits fan history will be revised and the 'chosen one' would turn into the 3rd-4th choice that no one really wanted.

With all due respect, that type of attitude is more suited to a 3rd rated club and not a 'big club' we claim to be. If we are a big club then we should act like one. That means that our board will have to take decisions and aim for the best people for the best roles. If we repeately fail in doing that then either we're not the big club we claim to be or else someone is not doing his job correctly
You don't seem to have caught on to the fact that your repetitive criticism is counter-productive. Those who thought you may have a point get fed up reading your pronouncements and your point gets lost when they stop reading your posts.
 
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