BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho
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If Neville is assistant then Phil must be the assistant assistant. The guy is born to serve his brother
That's a bullshit flowery title to big him up, he's an ambassador and nothing more. 'Football board', ffs come on.
http://ir.manutd.com/corporate-governance/board-of-directors.aspx
People take this shit at face value!Director, Football board.
That's the corporate board and the football board which Sir Bobby and himself are part off. I doubt he's lying on that
There's no such thing in reality, that's the point.
A director is what it is, and he's not one.
Legally he is an ambassador and nothing else, the Football board doesn't exist.
As far back as the last Christmas before Fergie retired he was imploring Moyes not to renew his contract at Everton, blatant tapping up and you don't tap up your sixth choice that early in the game. Fergie knew who he wanted and just went through the motions with sounding out other options.
OR, and this might be me being a conspiracy theorist here, he sounded out his other choices and found that Moyes was the only one who was going to come.
I refuse to believe that no one else was willing to manage MUFC except for David frigging Moyes.
If I wanted my mate to get my job and I worked in a closed industry like top level football management where potential replacements can be counted on one hand and I could track their movements, I'm sure I could delay announcing my decision until my mate is the only realistic candidate left. Why would anyone delay informing their employers a decision with major implications on the future of the business?
Well none of the first 4 choices. Pep - Bayern, Jose - Chelsea, Ancelotti - Real, Klopp - stay at dortmund. Simeone hadn't yet had the magical season at atleti, so if we looked in house at the premier league David Moyes was the obvious choice (hindsight is 20-20 as we know now it was obviously wrong). He had managed a team for 10 years to stay what was percieved as a level above their ability and is british. A consistent Brit seemed a match made in heaven with our ethos and the PR team could spin that to try and hide the fact that every other top manager had other jobs in their sights and we had to settle for not even 2nd best, but shit shit.
Also he didnt tell the board, but he most likely told Gill and the Glazers who would have been also looking out for suitable candidates.
Jose could have been hired, he wasn't hired because of Sir Bobby's and a few other board members reservations regarding his character.
I believe Jose Mourinho was passed over for David Moyes.
In the real world a mistake of that magnitude should get people fired.
Yeah, but football isn't the real world. And while we've been sheltered for a long time, plenty of clubs made mistakes hiring managers, with chairmen keeping their job time after time.
By sounding out do you mean Fergie telling Pep to keep him posted? Is that a firm offer? And you believe Fergie is that stupid yo expect such a statement to keep Pep waiting... And in what world does Moyes become the sixth best after multiple title winners like Mourinho, Pep, Carlo and Klopp? It simply doesn't add up and I'm being a conspiracy theorist here, Fergue knew Moyes didn't meet the criteria but yet instructed him, repeatedly, not to re-sign with Everton even before being rebuffed by each and every one of our preferred targets.
I bet SAF know about that more than us. I hate using this argument so apologises but seriously would he lie by saying that is a director of a board that doesn't exist? Is he that desperate?
so he's lying that he's a director and he's also lying about the board he's supposed to belong to?
Gill and the Glazers were the board just like Woodie and the Glazers are the board now and a competent man like Gill wouldn't have allowed himself to be left in a position where David fecking Moyes was our only option. Fergie ambushed the board with his retirement, long after the transition to Woodward had begun and couldn't be reversed (not becausr he wanted to intentionally feck them over but to avoid possible leaks which would have ruined his last title) and we had no time to tap up a proper manager given that they didn't want a protracted transition from Fergie.
He's been given a bullshit title to distinguish him from the more 'run of the mill' ambassadors.
That title has no real meaning in terms of a board of directors.
There can only be one board, and a director has a specific legal meaning. He ain't one.
Isn't SAF a non-executive director? In that case he wouldn't form part of the executive management team - which would consist of Woodward and Glazers being the prime decision makers.
As for SAF and his Moyes appointment - I reckon he was the great man's first and only choice. None of what was written by him in his autobiography showed a definite path towards getting another manager. He met and spoke with some, but I haven't seen him say that he made an offer or anything of the sort. In fact, I believe Klopp confirmed they met but he didn't receive an 'offer' from SAF. Someone can correct me if I've remembered wrong.
As for SAF and his Moyes appointment - I reckon he was the great man's first and only choice. None of what was written by him in his autobiography showed a definite path towards getting another manager. He met and spoke with some, but I haven't seen him say that he made an offer or anything of the sort. In fact, I believe Klopp confirmed they met but he didn't receive an 'offer' from SAF. Someone can correct me if I've remembered wrong.
I think we can safely say SAF let his heart rule his head, just he has learnt from it.
By all accounts it doesn't seem he's learned if he's keen on Giggs
Honestly, SAF so great with so many things but can't pick a manager for United to save his life.
He isn't a director but he is probably an adviser, I can't confirm it because the club don't communicate the names of the "official" advisers.
Edit: Google "Manchester United PLC" search for the SEC, there is no mention of SAF as a director.
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You are right on that but I think the Glazers have created another layer in their management structure where the two knights, Gill and Woodward deliberateon football issues which Woodward takes up with the Glazers for signing off. I don't think Sir Alex would accept a meaningless bullshit title and I think the Glazers hold him in too high a regard to confine him to some meaningless role.
He's supposed to be flaming retired. He's done as much work and travelling since he's retired as when he was working. Take up crown green bowling like other pensioners.
For the money they're paying him I'm sure he's fine with the role.
I don't doubt his opinion will be listened to, but he doesn't have the power to make decisions like some on here keep suggesting.
Decisions are made by Woodward, Arnold and Avi Glazer.
So he's lying?
You believe. When both Ferguson and Jose have come out and said that they spoke about it but Jose had his heart set on returning to Chelsea.
They probably gave him that title, so no he isn't lying but Gill is supposed to be a member of that board and he doesn't seem to think that it's a real thing.
The Glazers know absolutely nothing about football and nor do they care about it past the Income Statement and the Share Price Index, I believe that on financial and commercial matters Woodie's word carries weight and in football matters Sir Alex is their man but they are rarely confronted with the football decisions because they don't give a shit about those. So when Woodie says lets get Mourinho and Sir Alex points at Giggs there is some debate to be had and they wouldn't just dismiss him off hand like they would to any other 'advisor' because they are wise enough to know what he's done for their family when the fan base became restless cica 2010 and how his brilliance allowed them to entrench their ownership. To them SAF is one person they would like to keep as an ally.
The non executive board do not make any decisions with regards to the club. They do not deliberate on anything concerning the running of the club. It's an ambassadorial role - nothing more.
Not just his character, there are big questions regarding his style of play and his ability to build a team over the long term
How's that going for us? (if true)exactly this...
Not well, but I was just pointing out the decision not to hire Mourinho came down to more than his character
And yet here we are playing shit on a stick football and still needing massive investment. At least we fended off the big bad Jose!
Well spotted Captain Hindsight
Some papers are running a story tonight that this will definitely not happen.
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