Also they want someone who is awed by the old men and would listen to their advice like some apostle listening to Jesus. You only have to read SAF's autobiography to understand how hurt he was that Moyes sacked his staff and hired his
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Also they want someone who is awed by the old men and would listen to their advice like some apostle listening to Jesus. You only have to read SAF's autobiography to understand how hurt he was that Moyes sacked his staff and hired his
I believe Pep was probably first choice, but Moyes was second.
SAF has tried to distance himself from the appointment of Moyes and I can empathize with him...if I made such a terrible decision I would possibly try to distance myself from that as well.
Well, some people seem to be stating it with such certainty that you'd think it had been announced.
As for there being "no evidence the people claiming he'll be our next manager/it's a done deal are pretending" - there doesn't need to be any evidence they're pretending as they have no evidence to back up their assertions. Do you really think all these people are "in the know"?
There's no evidence at all that any decision has yet been made by the club about the manager's position, and the sooner they do announce something - if, indeed, they ever do - the sooner all this nonsense can end.
There's a fair bit of evidence around the identity of the next City (and Chelsea) boss so why not us?
Agree. It was wrong to ditch the existing staff for his guys from Everton. The transition was made much harder. That said Moyes is 20 yrs younger than SAF so was always going to be more hands-on. Probably should have started off slow and implemented his changes as things settled.
I disagree. Back then Pep was the person who left his home grown club because they frustrated him/stressed him out. That's a big no no for SAF and his longevity obsession
There wasn't any evidence about Pep joining City either.
Maybe you are right. I was trying to give SAF the benefit of the doubt, Moyes was his first choice.
What a shocking decision, literally everyone knew it wasn't going to work except him...and now (by all reports) he is trying to force Giggs upon us.
that's not SAF's call though. Every manager is entitled to bring his own staff in and usually the former manager would never complain about that. Such criticism at the manager show clear intent of influencing if not undermining the manager's authority. Which further strengthening my theory that SAF wants a back door to return in action in some capacity
Noone knows how far back those decisions were made (prior to the evidence being available). There's no evidence of LVG or Giggs being our manager next season either.
While SAF says he made his mind to retire at Christmas, he didn't inform the board until March. Pep was already sealed with Bayern and that explains why Moyes was told not to extend his contract with Everton.
Which is really baffling considering that contract talks aren't usually left that late (March). Could it be the case that SAF leaked the news to Moyes in December?
Maybe you thought it had been announced. Noone else was seemingly fooled. The only reason people are stating with certainty is the amount of reports and statements from important people saying it is. And of course the fact that it's the most obviously logical appointment.
You don't need to have evidence to know the truth about something. And neither does a lack of evidence mean you're pretending. So both those assertions of yours are illogical.
Are those people "in the know"? Maybe, maybe not. Hard to say either way, but an Inter director stating such a thing without knowing anything sounds odd.
Yes, everyone already knows this. It's still possible that they the decision is already made as suggested by others. Whether they have, or not, hopefully the end result is the right decision.
Klopp rejected an approach from us too, so he was presumably ahead of Moyes http://www.skysports.com/football/n...-turned-down-chance-to-become-man-utd-manager.
If SAF had his way completely, Moyes would be 4th behind Pepp Klopp and Mourinho.
he waited till March when he knew that managers have either committed themselves with someone else or with their own club
"You don't need to have evidence to know the truth about something" That's some statement right there. And you call my assertions illogical!! Are you saying the truth of something is simply whatever you decide it is?
As for the Inter Director, as I've explained numerous times already on here we don't know the content of her conversation with Mourinho so her statement means absolutely nothing per se. It could have gone like this :
Moratti - So Jose, are you going to get the Man Utd job?
Mourinho - Yes, no problem. They haven't been in touch yet but I'm 100% confident they will".
Moratti to journalists - "He'll be in Manchester next season".
Not made up, but absolutely no context whatsoever.
actually she said "He's happy, he's going to Manchester". If Jose is happy because he believes he'll get the job despite no one had been in touch with him yet then he's an absolute idiot. Something he's not
I agree - and it was a 4 month delay between him making his mind up re. retirement and turning to Klopp or Pep. But its not like Moyes was his first choice from his decision to retire all the way up to appointing the new manager.
My point is that he had other managers placed ahead of Moyes - its the failure on the board/him to act on it that led us to a 4th choice candidate.
Or maybe he wanted Moyes and the board wanted the others...
Lets say that Woody have lost hope in LVG in November and yet he waited till now to approach Ancelotti, Pep, Conte and Luis Enrique. Would that make Mourinho our fifth choice option?
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Going by his open praise for Klopp for starters (meeting him at a conference years ago and being in awe of him), I doubt he would have been against the board going for Klopp over Moyes.
All guesswork though. We can only go by the snippets of quotes we get, but I'd (like to) believe in Moyes wasn't in our top 3. We settled and hopefully we wont make the same mistake this year.
Doesn't the order in which managers are offered the job give away the club's preference?
Which begs the question why? At that time we were the champions of England, global leaders in revenue and likely the most famous football club on the planet. If we can't attract the manager of Dortmund away from his job, what are we doing wrong?
Klopp had already given his word that he will remain at Dortmund. SAF conveniently waited till March to come up with the news ie a time where every manager who wasn't crap had committed themselves either to their club or elsewhere. Then we ended up with no other choice rather then signing '4th-5th-10th option' Moyes. Its a bit like trying to get Conte, Pep, Luis Enrique and Ancelotti now and then say that Mourinho is our 5th option
Probably Klopp was the only odd one in that list. Begs the question still why wouldn't he step up but at that moment he was on the rise and had what he needed at Dortmund to be successful. The only reason why he'd take United job was money. It will be tough to fill Fergie's boots as well and with a team generally built in shape and form that Fergie liked maybe wasn't the best choice to come to us immediately. Pure speculation of course, but there were so many other managers better than Moyes than those names.
You'd assume, like has been reported with SAF speaking to Mourinho, that he spoke to them before he announced his retirement.
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I'm not claiming to know the truth. I'm saying that someone (Di Marzio, Inter Director or conversely someone like LVG regarding Giggs) could have knowledge not privy to you and me about what is going to happen this summer with regards to our manager. They could be making up stories, or they could, without having signed contracts in their hands, be correct about what is happening/going to happen/already done. This would be a case of them knowing the truth without showing you and me "evidence", or even having it.
Or she could be proven correct this summer about a statement she made knowing full well what was happening behind the scenes. Depends what you choose to believe, I suppose. If it's evidence you're looking for, whether it's in favour LVG or Giggs, and not Mourinho, you still wont find it.
I'm bemused why people are saying Moyes was 5th choice.
He was the chosen one (remember that banner in the stands?).
I believe Mourinho was available as well as umpteen managers around the World who had won trophies at various levels.
He went for Moyes because he was Scottish, he was mate* and had managed Everton for a long time (he brought them stability) and did a solid job.
When Moyes was failing, Fergie himself stated that Moyes is the man for the job. He will steady the ship - give him more time. Charlton gave a BBC interview also stating the same.
As time progressed we were dropping down the table.
Fergie kept saying Moyes "is the man".
Eventually he got sacked. When this happened, Fergie was surprised and was kept out of the loop. I remember reading that Fergie found out about the sacking, with everybody else. It was very hush hush.
It was only AFTER Moyes was sacked, that Fergie began to say that Moyes wasn't actually the chosen one...even though he was.
*this business of giving jobs to "mates" is happening all over again right now, with Giggs in the frame. Fergie was the best manager I have seen in my lifetime, but he should not be allowed to recommend anybody for management. He will always select a "mate". Jobs for the old boys network, I believe is what it is known as. The mere fact that Giggs (a rookie) is being mentioned for one of the most difficult jobs in World football, is proof of this.
He was the chosen one (remember that banner in the stands?).
I believe Mourinho was available as well as umpteen managers around the World who had won trophies at various levels.
He went for Moyes because he was Scottish, he was mate* and had managed Everton for a long time (he brought them stability) and did a solid job.
When Moyes was failing, Fergie himself stated that Moyes is the man for the job. He will steady the ship - give him more time. Charlton gave a BBC interview also stating the same.
As time progressed we were dropping down the table.
Fergie kept saying Moyes "is the man".
Eventually he got sacked. When this happened, Fergie was surprised and was kept out of the loop. I remember reading that Fergie found out about the sacking, with everybody else. It was very hush hush.
It was only AFTER Moyes was sacked, that Fergie began to say that Moyes wasn't actually the chosen one...even though he was.
*this business of giving jobs to "mates" is happening all over again right now, with Giggs in the frame. Fergie was the best manager I have seen in my lifetime, but he should not be allowed to recommend anybody for management. He will always select a "mate". Jobs for the old boys network, I believe is what it is known as. The mere fact that Giggs (a rookie) is being mentioned for one of the most difficult jobs in World football, is proof of this.
Agree.
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I'm fairly confident at this stage that Mourinho is done and dusted at this stage. But on the off chance it is going to be Giggs, after watching that Rio/Pique interview I want Quieroz brought in as his assistant.
If we're giving it to Giggs under the assumption he'll follow in Fergie's style, then lets at least make sure he has Fergie's best AM alongside him. Surely he'd leave Iran for United?
If we're giving it to Giggs under the assumption he'll follow in Fergie's style, then lets at least make sure he has Fergie's best AM alongside him. Surely he'd leave Iran for United?
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We'll actually sign Giggs as manager, Neville as his assistant and Mourinho as the training ground cone placer [/@devilish]
Manager: Ryan Giggs
Assistant manager: Gary Neville
First team coach: Phil Neville
Goalkeeper coach: Kevin Pilkington
Kit manager: David Beckham
Manager: Ryan Giggs
Assistant manager: Gary Neville
First team coach: Phil Neville
Goalkeeper coach: Kevin Pilkington
Kit manager: David Beckham
Director of Football: Andrea Berta
Manager: Jose Mourinho
Assistant manager: Carlos Quieroz
First team coach: Rene Meulensteen
Goalkeeper coach: Frans Hoek
Kit manager: Anderson
This lineup is eminently achievable but I suspect we'll end up with something much closer to yours.
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