BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho
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I wouldn't be surprised if we are after Del Bosque.
Giovanni Trapattoni while you're at it.
Somebody has to remind him that he can't find out shit ever since Moyes left.
Moyes was SAF's choice, and who was going to argue with the most successful coach in the modern era?
SAF got most things right, but got that one completely wrong.
Exactly. That aura of being a legend would last about a week before you're judged on merit based on your abilities as a manager. In fact LVG is a managerial legend. Didn't take the players long to realize he's well past his best and stuck in a different era.That's a good one.No players care about club legend status if they find the manager to be incapable of doing the job as a manager.
I actually have a fair bit of faith in Woodward. It's the collective decision making/due diligence that seems off. Hopefully this summer corrects some of that.That's putting it mildlyI think most of us feel that way to be honest.
SAF consulted Pep and Klopp first though. Moyes shouldn't have been as high on the list as he was but he wasn't first or second choice. Arguably not 3rd either - if he had his way Mourinho would have been above all of them.
Not according to his pre revised autobiography. I believe we left it late and Moyes was the only person available at the time. Whether it was intentional or not, only god knows. I tend to believe it was.
Sir Bobby and a few other board members vetoed Jose because his conduct wasn't conducive to the "united way" of doing things and the rest is history.
Moyes was at the top of SAF's list, despite the revisionism that has been attempted in the last few years. SAF and the board got that completely wrong.
I think the board are hanging on till LVG is done and then they will appoint Giggs. I think thats been their long term plan from the beginning.
Agreed. Back then all the talk was about people who understand the club history and longevity. SAF even went in finding comparisons between his childhood to that of Moyes as if that has anything to do with understanding football. The same arguments which are now thrown in favour of Giggs were prior used to justify Moyes
I believe so. However Woody may have itchy feet especially after what the Class of 92 legend/star pundit/English Pep has done at Valencia.
This is the part that keeps the Giggs' fear going - all the quotes from ex-players/coaching staff. One can only hope that they know squat about what is happening behind the scenes. Probably true as well, given SAF hadn't a clue about Moyes' sacking until it happened, I think.
Do you really believe that? I mean we're talking here of a director, the most knowledgeable (in terms of football) in the board room not the tea lady
Possibly true. LVG's comments on Giggs would back it up, as would all the comments made in his favour possibly preparing fans.
However, I personally think Woodward probably calls the shots now, and he doesn't strike me as someone who would go down that Giggs path.
I read something to that effect. It is possible given Woodward does appear to be completely in control ATM. Looking at the club from the time Moyes was sacked, everything seems to have a Woodward touch to it.
I hope Woody does get itchy feet, not just for the clubs sake but also Giggs. If Giggs were to fail at Utd it would be a long road back to another chance with a big club. Best he fail or succeed elsewhere
I read that as well however I refuse to believe it. SAF is a director, he's well paid and he's the most knowledgeable about football in the board room. Surely someone must have talked to him about the idea of sacking the manager.
I personally believe that SAF might have suspected that Moyes was going to go, but Woodward didnt consult him before it happened.
Woodward calls the shots at OT and the buck stops with him these days.
I was 100% sure that Giggs would take over LVG. However after what Gaz did at Valencia + LVG's struggle in understanding the EPL I am not that sure anymore. There's plenty of signs that show that we're really after Mou
a- Beddy Moratti's interview
b- BBC report
c- Sir Bobby's stand (which does sound like a good sending off)
This whole idea of grooming Giggs to takeover is just bizarre. I think the people pushing for this within the club are out of touch with the modern game, and that includes Fergie. You fear for the future of the club with the decisions being made.
or maybe he didn't want to be identified as among those who backstabbed Moyes. Dave's career had been going to the dogs ever since SAF convinced him to join us. The last thing SAF wants is to be known as the man who ruined the most promising Scottish manager's career around
No one like to make enemies
The Bedi Morratti interview is the one that sealed it for me, also the fact that the club refuse to comment either way is pretty damming.
I feel sure that Jose is coming, we just dont want to announce it before the season is over.
However it also seem evident that there are people who are resistant to the change. The 'I support Giggs as United's manager' is too well organized to be random talk.
I believe that United had agreed a verbal agreement (or even a pre contract) with Mou. However the deal can be broken and there are people within the club who just want to do that. I also believe that Giggs would be the front man to SAF (who would be working behind the scenes) in a DOF, head coach type of relationship. SAF didn't retired because he felt old or got fed up of the game. He retired because of his wife and this would allow him to return without actually being a manager
You have to wonder if SAF and others associated with Utd saw such managerial material in Giggs, why did Moyes get a six year deal and the tag of longevity?
If Moyes worked Giggs would likely never got to manage Utd. Sounds a waste when he's talked so highly of now...
If Moyes worked Giggs would likely never got to manage Utd. Sounds a waste when he's talked so highly of now...
I really don't know how involved SAF is to be honest. My guess is Woodward consults the football men when he feel he needs too, but not necessarily, and takes calls himself along with approvals frm the Glazers and whoever is on that "senior board". I could be wrong and they could be holding board meetings on all
important matters.
Same here. I was resigned to Giggs succeeding LVG after his 3 years at OT, but the reports (from numerous sources) about Mourinho are too strong to ignore and I think he'll be our next manager.
There's absolutely no evidence that Utd has any "agreement" whatsoever with Mourinho. Plenty of whispers from people trying to pretend they're in the know, but no firm evidence.
Someone brought this up earlier as well, and it's a really good question. If he was such a huge managerial talent in the eyes of the board, then Moyes, the long-term plan, made zero sense.
It's almost as if the decision makers at the club don't know what they're doing..
Surprised you even expected "evidence".
Also, there's no evidence the people claiming he'll be our next manager/it's a done deal are pretending either.
That decision is simply too big not to involve the only person on the board who actually knows something about football. However I also believe that SAF believes that he's not being involved enough.
If you ask me, this Giggs thing is just a facade to hide SAF's return. May I remind people that the man had retired not because he wanted to but because of his wife. With Giggs as head coach he can return as some sort of DOF (Italian style), with Giggs taking care of the day to day running of the team and SAF being involved in terms of transfers, long term strategies, appointment of staff etc
I hope that I am wrong but I am afraid that we've got another Sir Matt Busby situation here. Something Edwards was afraid off back in his day
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I doubt that Bedy Moratti would lie about Mou or that BBC would blabber information without having some solid evidence
Poor planning, then. Although we surely would have learned from that mistake. If not, being in a position where we are circumstantially spoonfed a proven manager helps (like we appear to be now).
An article about the sacking claimed Moyes tried to contact SAF after he was unable to reach Woodward. It claimed Fergie didn't answer. I'm taking that to suggest he knew of the decision but didn't want to break it or lie to someone he considers a friend.
Giggs was still playing and was moving to be a coach, its possible they expected Giggs to succeed Moyes.
People will react angrily to this statement, and then forget it was ever said at the end of the summer when exactly this has come to pass.
I doubt it. Moyes was handled a 6 year contract, which I am pretty sure it would have been renewed if he was successful. I believe that what the pro Moyes/Giggs want is someone British who is awed by SAF/Sir Bobby enough to obey the old men and wouldn't rock the boat too much. Whether its Moyes or Giggs didn't matter
Moyes is only 10 years older than Giggs. If he did 15 years here which was why he was appointed (longevity) that would have meant Giggs would have to manage for a decade or so and do well to earn the job to succeed Moyes.
Because Moyes failed, Giggs is the new figure for longevity meaning he has to wait only three years sitting as reserve before getting the top job. It's wrong and flawed.
Moyes was never SAF's first choice - he made that clear in the release of his latest book. Klopp also confirmed we asked about his availability whilst we were on the hunt for a manager.
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