He basically admits to knowing shit in that piece tbf
BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho
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Jose Mourinho will be available in three years time I would wager.
Or conversely Giggs goes to Swansea, works his way up the food chain and gets the job three years from now after Jose, inevitably, self combusts. It took Pochettino just three years in England to put himself in the reckoning for jobs like the United one, surely for a managerial genius like Giggs, it will take much less - maybe three months! MP came to England with no hype, speaking poor English, no connections and new to the league - Ryan does not have any of the drawbacks and does know the club 'inside out'.
Double edged sword going down the leagues. Often circumstances beyond your control hinder progress and what is needed to succeed at that level is a different set of skills. Giggs commands respect from the players by virtue of being a club legend and also isn't Jose Mourinho so I can why some want him.
So Mourinho's now demanding written confirmation that he'll be appointed in the Summer - if true, that rather destroys the story about him having signed a pre-contract!
The club needs to take some responsibility for getting it wrong when hiring a manager.
So the least they can do is stick by their part of the bargain and allow the mathematical possibility stage to pass before taking action.
This is precisely what is happening now.
They are waiting until a point is reached where they can contractually act without come-back.
Somebody said that LVG has been given a 3rd place minimum.
That actually sounds right to me.
Year 1 - Get us back in the CL
Year 2 - Get us back in the CL without prelims
Year 3 - Win the Premiership or CL
I reckon the press just have little to write about between now and the end of the season. No Mourinho news until then = "LVG might stay" for sake of filling column inches.
Going by the credible ITK Journo's, its quite obvious he's coming. Lack of talk re. his availability by Mendes, Jose stating a preference to stay in England & that he'l start a new club in June, proven confirmations of his family purchasing properties in England is all circumstantial but def coincide with whats being said by Balague/Di Marzio. He's ours and every manager or source is apparently convinced this is the case.
What Sunday Suppliment, MEN, or anything else say is immaterial given they are at least two knotches below the likes of Di Marzio or Balague.
Going by the credible ITK Journo's, its quite obvious he's coming. Lack of talk re. his availability by Mendes, Jose stating a preference to stay in England & that he'l start a new club in June, proven confirmations of his family purchasing properties in England is all circumstantial but def coincide with whats being said by Balague/Di Marzio. He's ours and every manager or source is apparently convinced this is the case.
What Sunday Suppliment, MEN, or anything else say is immaterial given they are at least two knotches below the likes of Di Marzio or Balague.
He may be acting on the fact that Chelsea have announced the appointment of Conte.
This event may have relaxed any non-comp clause allowing Mourinho to firm up on any tacit arrangements he has with us.
If the pre-contract was fairly loose he may now wish to make things a little more binding - for his own sake.
"respect of the players", "knowing the club inside out" and "being United through and through" aren't enough given the task we face both within and out of the club. It certainly won't cut it if we are stuck in midtable and Pep is running away with the title or Klopp is handing our arses to us at OT. Giggs needs to show he has the tactics on the pitch and skill in the market, at least, for him to be universally accepted as United manager. If he is appointed as a result of political manouvering and blatant scheming he is doomed from day one because any misstep will be harshly descended upon. Those within the club who do not want Mourinho should deliver an acceptable candidate because believe you me, some of us just want Mourinho because he is not Giggs.
Bonuses are paid if conditions are met, not assumed but then removed if conditions are failed, but his 'info' wasn't talking about bonuses, he was talking about termination clauses which are redundant and nonsensical in the final year of a fixed term contract.
There's zero percent chance of that happening. In fact I'm fairly sure it would be illegal.
You're proposing a clause whereby he would work for the bulk of the season and then have to refund his wages if we didn't make third, in essence then having worked for no pay.
Yea, no chance. The only clauses that make any sense in the final year of a fixed term contract are bonuses for winning stuff.
I would expect the club have to set targets for him to aim for each year and, if LvG wanted to extend, he would have to reach all his targets. Also, I would think his incentives would be tied to these targets.
That Mitten piece is hilarious, he's essentially saying "well I can't find out so nobody can".
Of course no professional club would want to announce a change of manager, for the coming season, mid-season (take note City you bunch of fecking Ass Clowns). But if the decision had been made to retain LvGs services then I'm pretty sure that the speculation would have been stopped in it's tracks by now in the form of an official announcement.
I for one hope we do not have to suffer another year of this egotistical parody of a former great manager as I feel he's turning us into a laughing stock - but no-one listens to the fans … do they?
His appointment would have been pretty well planned out with bonuses only being payable in the last year. i.e. if he hadn't met the milestones he wouldn't be in the last year.
Year 1 CL qualification minimum (this allows him to progress to Y2)
Year 2 CL without prelim (allowing him to progress to Y3)
Year 3 win EPL or CL (this then allows bonuses to be paid)
Giggs, having been materially part of such success would then be deemed worthy of taking over the reins and LVG may have been offered some DOF position should he wish to take it, or he could retire on a high.
We have a problem if we get 3rd place.
Or not. Depending on how you view 3rd.
If we get 3rd and the board deems that it is still best we part company because of the style of football then they may find themselves having to fork out.
Year 1 CL qualification minimum (this allows him to progress to Y2)
Year 2 CL without prelim (allowing him to progress to Y3)
Year 3 win EPL or CL (this then allows bonuses to be paid)
Giggs, having been materially part of such success would then be deemed worthy of taking over the reins and LVG may have been offered some DOF position should he wish to take it, or he could retire on a high.
We have a problem if we get 3rd place.
Or not. Depending on how you view 3rd.
If we get 3rd and the board deems that it is still best we part company because of the style of football then they may find themselves having to fork out.
The jury's out - the board are as worried as us about it. There are two things here. Achieving the targets and the manner in which they are achieved i.e. the style and tactics. I suspect the board are not pleased with the style of play but contractually they can't say much - especially if he hits targets. The December run of results would have given them some justification for talking to possible replacements but only as a precautionary measure. LVG could not have objected to that, given our performances. Anything further, in terms of announcements, especially given our present position, would be foolish.
I suspect the board are hoping for 4th because that is the best all-round outcome.
It's a good idea they don't really. SFA wouldn't have lasted 2 years if they had, DDG would have been shipped out after 6 months, Fletch would have been shipped out after 6 months of being a first teamer, they would have got rid of players like Young and there are dozens of more times where, if it was up to fans, players would have been dumped. Thank god for the people that really know what's going on.
Mitten. The King when it comes to writing a lot of words, but saying precious little
It's an honest piece
Nobody is 100% sure
Though many of the experts here claim to be and many would rather believe any made up stuff that backs their theories.
I personally wouldn't be suprised if
A) LVG goes and is replaced by mourinho
B) LVG goes and is replaced by Giggs
C) LVG stays
No idea what's gonna happen next
He's saying nobody knows on the basis that he hasn't been able to find out. As if it's impossible for anyone else to have better placed sources than he does.
It's an entirely pointless article.
As for people on here, there's only one claiming to actually know anything and I don't think anyone is taking him seriously.
I'm seeing this sort of opinion a lot, but the truth is that the club's silence in public doesn't necessarily equate to inactivity behind the scenes.
We still have the top four and FA Cup to play for, so the board's apparent ploy of not rocking the boat seems pretty sound to me. Across town, it can be argued that City's decision to publicly announce Pep has seen their players lose focus.
Woodward has copped a lot of flak during his tenure, but I think he's managed this Van Gaal situation reasonably well. We've got a fighting chance of salvaging something worthwhile from this season, not to mention the younger lads who've been given an opportunity.
It's difficult to be patient, but we have to wait until the season is done, or until we can no longer achieve our on-pitch aspirations.
I'm still not worried, think it's a done dealio.
But 4th was never the target … it's well know it's 3rd and probably a bit of silverware too.
Who cares anyway, I want to talk about Fabian Delph seeing ghosts!
That's precisely why 4th would be best all round. It get us in the CL along with the revenue that brings plus it allows them to terminate his contract and thus address the shite football problem.
I'd love that scenario, just think that if we scrape 4th then all will be forgiven and I'm not sure I can take another year of this!
All three of them have changed manager though. We stick with mediocrity. Waiting for Van Gaal's United to click and start playing good football? 3rd time lucky maybe? three's a charm? we'll probably have to give him an extension until 2018. It is becoming like waiting for Freddy Adu to become a world class player. Every other manager seems to get their ideas across to their players within months. I don't buy this idea that in his 3rd season it will be better and we'll start to play good stuff. Why would we play good stuff in that season? Our lack of chances created, lack of goals and high % of backwards/sideways passes and number of passes before we create a chance (was 70 odd at one point) doesn't encourage good football.
That's a good one.
No players care about club legend status if they find the manager to be incapable of doing the job as a manager.What I was thinking which is why I am suspicious a bit. Plus if the board are happy with 3rd, I would assume 4th will be satisfactory for them also. not like they are asking for a title challenge. What they should've been asking for is the club to be challenging for trophies.
You were suspicious of some guy from the newbies claiming to have inside information on LvG's contract due to 'knowing someone' who works for the club, well I never
Mitten is a clown, should be banned on here. That article could have been written by someone on here.
This bit makes no sense and would probably be illegal
Therefore I am assuming that the whole post is BS
I'm not sure I believe the post, but it wouldn't be illegal, as it would most likely not be a sacking, but a break clause. 'If you do not fulfil the required terms you are not owed any compensation upon the termination of your contract'sort of thing.
It isn't illegal, it's an escape clause.
Bit weird having a must win CL or PL in the last year of his deal. He'd be out of contract regardless.
But, unless I've got mixed up, year three would be the end of his contract anyway, so no break clause / escape required
I think it's probably a done deal because too many people are saying it's a done deal, including that Inter Director. At the same time, my faith in the club management isn't exactly at an all time high. If we can appoint Moyes, we can definitely given LVG another year with Giggs then taking over.
The year three is interesting, it's probably linked to the bonuses, maybe the club decided that if LVG doesn't reach the goals he shouldn't receive any bonuses.
Agreed, but the Premier League wasn't looking to be as competitive as it is now. SAF walked the league so the owners were probably more inclined to take risks. Not that it saves a lot of credibility in the decision making process, but Moyes wasn't our first choice at the time.
With Klopp, Conte, Wenger, Pep and the emergence of Poch I reckon the business and football decision both point towards Mourinho.
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