As fans this is one of those scenarios we'll probably never know the exact truth on.
But the amount of revisionism and spin is huge.
BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho
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As fans this is one of those scenarios we'll probably never know the exact truth on.
But the amount of revisionism and spin is huge.
Do you really think he'd be saying "och, yeah he's been a bit toilet hasn't he"
Which hack is more reliable then? Di Marzio and his cronies or this bloke from De Telegraaf? Its a hack off. I'll have to hack off my own arms if Van Gaal is staying. Not so much because I dislike him, but it means Giggs is incoming the season after.
He didn't have to say anything.
Yup, not looking for barnies, just discussion.
Since he chose to do the interview, it must mean he's willing to speak on the topic. Van Gaal as also said SAF has backed him privately.
He has to if he has been asked a question by the journalist. He cant go on a "I have nothing to say" rant
(I haven't watched the full interview)
So close to finding out what's going on, but I expect we'll have another 50pages on here first.
I do struggle with the ""Mourinho won't play the youth" criticism.
Firstly we need to get back winning. That should be the first priority.
Youth can come under that. If anyone is standout good enough, they'll be in his squad I'm sure. Rashford I doubt he'd just bin off for example
I do struggle with the ""Mourinho won't play the youth" criticism.
Firstly we need to get back winning. That should be the first priority.
Youth can come under that. If anyone is standout good enough, they'll be in his squad I'm sure. Rashford I doubt he'd just bin off for example
To be fair to Di Marzio, all he's said is there's a gentleman's agreement for him to take over. He's never said any contracts have been signed. That's was El Pais. Di Marzio even put a video on Twitter saying this agreement is what he's heard. I'm not sure if it's even his own sources.
I remember Moyesie talking about his private support too.
Until he disappeared on him, and he knew the number was up!
Yeah, that's what I thought in response to one of the replies, he had to say something, but the bulk of it was relating to injuries, as opposed to the tactics.
I've seen nothing that suggests to me we have any sort of deal in place with Mourinho. Plenty of fabrication, implication and wishful thinking, but that's all.
If this is true, then it suggests that for the foreseeable future, our club's aspirations are top 4. I know this was the case with Moyes. I believe this is the case for LVG.
It's quite depressing that standards have fallen and its baffling that with all our money, the board care little about winning.
Spurs, West Ham, Everton. These are the sorts of clubs who should aspire to make top 4.
We should aspire to win the league.
You're right in many points. However let me give my line of thought in areas that I disagree on. First of all, LVG must have known that his team had suffered from a fair share of injuries in the past. Players like Jones for example cannot be trusted. The very fact that he went for a small squad was a big mistake from his own part.
His supporters try to justify that by saying that he believe in youth but I beg to differ. First of all, its not as if we've got a class of 92 waiting in the wings.. Varela, Lingard and Fosu-Mensah are meah while Mcnair is shocking (Prunier level). The only two youths which showed promised were CBJ and Rashford, the latter would have never been given a sniff to first team if Rooney, Martial and the tea lady weren't injured. Also two of our older homegrown talent (Welbeck and Rafael) were shown the door while Januzaj and Periera seem to be frozen out from first team. That's hardly the actions of a manager who believe in homegrown talent.
Which comes to no surprise as LVG's man management is shocking. Not only he pissed off great servants of the club like Hernandez but also players whom he himself had brought in. Valdes and ADM had both left the club just few months after signing with us. The latter, why not setting OT on fire was our main assist man last season and would have surely helped us in creating chances just as Hernandez would have contributed in scoring them.
However his biggest weaknesses is his inability to understand EPL football. I mean, 3-5-2 and slow ball possession football in a league that rely so much on wingers and whose most team defend with 8 players behind the ball? Seriously? No wonder why we struggle. Not to forget the brainfarts that defy logic. For example getting the Argentinian version of Silvestre in defense when our CBs were screaming for quality, having Jones taking corners, playing Blind and Carrick as CB and Fellaini, erm, anywhere.
At this moment in time all I see are other teams sorting things out already whilst we faff around, mark my words Van Gaal and Giggs will be here next season and all that we will get to bolster the team will be the left overs that the other clubs don´t want or need.
Did you cum in your pants there?
Wouldn't surprise me, to be honest.
Like I said in the other thread, feck United if this happens.
As far as I know Di Marzio quickly rowed back from the slightly firmer 'done deal' stuff he initially put on twitter, and now says it's a gentlemen's agreement (which obviously is not a done deal or anything like it). Neither can the break-clause-ridden pre-contract El Pais reported on be considered anything like a done deal. In fact I'm not aware of anyone worth listening to reporting this as actually done.
Dear Telegraaf will presumably be reporting what Van Gaal's camp have been lead to believe, namely that he'll be the manager next season and should continue to act on that basis (eg summer tour logistics, 100m euro transfer planning). That seems perfectly reasonable and is simply a statement of the status quo; no final decision has been taken on Van Gaal and there's no binding agreement in place with anyone else, so as things stand LVG will be the manager next season. That can of course change and is very likely contingent on a top 4 finish.
Doesn't really say anything.
There have been many mitigating factors, however none outway the managers lack of suitability for this club and league. It's really that simple. I feel with better players and more money, we won't improve much under this regime. Exactly which players do you hope to kick on? All attacking players have gotten worse under Van Gaal and play like scared little boys. Even players he has trained previously (Bastien, Memphis, Blind) and players who he has had at United for almost 2 years, still don't perform any better than when he 1st joined. The team will improve and cope better with the premier league when the system changes.
It will set us back in the sense that outsiders will have noticed that United are no closer to winning the league after 4 seasons without Ferguson and are not the Man Utd they grew to recognize. We will once again struggle to sign top top talent, struggle to make 4th and possibly be looking at 2017/18 when Giggs takes over as another also ran team. So in essence Liverpoolisation will be in full flow
The "Liverpoolisation" is already in full flow. No top club in Europe would have put up with the shit LVG has force fed us.
Honestly, with Klopp at the helm and a decent transfer window in summer my money would certainly, without question, be on them finishing higher than us next season assuming LVG remains in charge.
There guna need ALOT of good players!!
A good goalkeeper will go a long way.
they defeated us comfortably over the two legs a few weeks ago, not sure if you remember?
a new keeper and a new centre back and they'll be much better off next season.
One player per line and they can look like a serious team.
Exactly. A new spine in that team with Klopp and they will be there.
They beat us once in 2years. My memory's good.
They might be but they won't sign the players in them positions good enough to be better than us.
It says to me that some players are still playing for Van Gaal whether out of respect or fear and that's a good reason as to why he is not only still here but also if he is leaving in the summer it is best kept quiet.
Van Gaal is a blunt but honest man. He has a code and a lot of backbone, and won't change due to pressure or circumstance. Some people respect that, some others clash with his alpha-male rigidity. At the very least he isn't two-faced at all.
If he is to helm a third season, I hope you will all get to see that his football can be very easy on the eyes. I just don't know if he or this side has that in them at this point in time.
Points-wise, we are only a point off Manchester City currently, and above Liverpool and Chelsea. It is not all bad, it's just been dire to watch. I don't blame anyone for wanting a new manager, but I also know that despite what everyone thinks, Manchester United could play very entertaining football under van Gaal in his third season.
It is the reason he employs a player like Blind at centre-back, so he can move up to midfield and create an extra man, so we can be offensive. It's just not working and the discipline he has instilled in the team is the main reason we still get points on a regular basis, I feel.
He is a smart man, and he knows it is not working in the final third. He'll need to try something different, or someone different. I would be very surprised if he didn't make some major changes in pre-season to start out in a more offensively potent fashion.
I also hope we can land two genuinely good, prime players. We need them to do what we want. I would still prefer van Gaal to Mourinho for the third season, but there's been plenty reason to let van Gaal go at the end of the season and I would be surprised if he gets another go at it.
If he is to helm a third season, I hope you will all get to see that his football can be very easy on the eyes. I just don't know if he or this side has that in them at this point in time.
Points-wise, we are only a point off Manchester City currently, and above Liverpool and Chelsea. It is not all bad, it's just been dire to watch. I don't blame anyone for wanting a new manager, but I also know that despite what everyone thinks, Manchester United could play very entertaining football under van Gaal in his third season.
It is the reason he employs a player like Blind at centre-back, so he can move up to midfield and create an extra man, so we can be offensive. It's just not working and the discipline he has instilled in the team is the main reason we still get points on a regular basis, I feel.
He is a smart man, and he knows it is not working in the final third. He'll need to try something different, or someone different. I would be very surprised if he didn't make some major changes in pre-season to start out in a more offensively potent fashion.
I also hope we can land two genuinely good, prime players. We need them to do what we want. I would still prefer van Gaal to Mourinho for the third season, but there's been plenty reason to let van Gaal go at the end of the season and I would be surprised if he gets another go at it.
How about actually making a sensible comment instead of a stupid inane remark, at the moment I see nothing that shows that United are doing anything but all the other teams are and with the managers coming into the Premier League we will be getting left behind unless something happens.
Di Marzio seems to blurt out anything that agents and club execs from Italy tell him do disseminate. Needless to say that neither agents nor clubs can be trusted regarding information they feed a guy like di Marzio with.
TLDR:
LVG is tactically poor.
He has poor man management.In particular he cannot manage Galactico class players.
He will never get us higher than top 4.
He can't improve our players or use them effectively.
You could be right about the time of our bad form, but if my memory serves me right, we had a full first team available to us during December, when we were losing and drawing every game.
Against Bournemouth, I think our back line was made of youth players (but don't quote me).
I know for a fact that only when our first teamers were injured and we had to use mostly U21 players, we did well.
When our frst teamers returned (yes that team which lost to Sunderland), we returned to our normal 1-0, 1-1 score lines and poor performances.
So, I would say the opposite to what you have stated. LVG's first team sucks and is boring to watch. Injuries actually gave us better results.
This doesn't wash. It is a manager responsibility to factor all this in.
Injuries, new signings etc and mitigating against certain players under performing is a managers job to predict. This is what he is paid for.
A proactive manager will handle these situations and still get good results.
And lets not forget, all teams suffer injuries, not just MUFC.
Poor tactics (resulting in us being unable to create chances).
Poor man management.
Which players are going to kick on. Please give me names. I am genuinely interested to know who these people are.
This season:
Martial is playing the same now, as he was at the start of the season.
Rashford (appears to have regressed since being Vangaled, though its far too early to conclude that).
Mata has shown no improvement.
Fellaini was more effective last year, so I'd say he has regressed.
Memphis started with promise and regressed as the season progressed.
Bastian has not been great and shows no signs of improving. He is in the twilight of his career so I expect this.
Morgan has been "okay". Not great. Not bad. Decent squad player. He has shown no signs of improvement with time.
Last season:
Di Maria - a player of the absolute highest quality. He was named in the FIFA World XI Our only player who could take apart a world class defence. He made more assists/goals than any other MUFC player last season. Our most prolific attacker. Did he improve? SOLD!
Falcao - he started with promise, but he regressed. He was & is a disaster. He certainly didn't kick on with MUFC or Chelsea. I don't blame LVG.
I could go on, but you get the point.
In our entire squad, only Smalling has improved during LVG's tenure. Read this again. IN OUR ENTIRE SQUAD, ONE PLAYER HAS IMPROVED DURING LVG'S REIGN. <- this has to set alarm bells ringing.
The other issue is attractive football. MUFC are known to be the most boring football team to watch in the country. Am I the only one who is aghast at this? The only time we thrashed a team was when we used U21s players, trained by Warren Joyce, against a team which has only existed for 15 years.
LVG is tactically poor.
He has poor man management.In particular he cannot manage Galactico class players.
He will never get us higher than top 4.
He can't improve our players or use them effectively.
You could be right about the time of our bad form, but if my memory serves me right, we had a full first team available to us during December, when we were losing and drawing every game.
Against Bournemouth, I think our back line was made of youth players (but don't quote me).
I know for a fact that only when our first teamers were injured and we had to use mostly U21 players, we did well.
When our frst teamers returned (yes that team which lost to Sunderland), we returned to our normal 1-0, 1-1 score lines and poor performances.
So, I would say the opposite to what you have stated. LVG's first team sucks and is boring to watch. Injuries actually gave us better results.
This doesn't wash. It is a manager responsibility to factor all this in.
Injuries, new signings etc and mitigating against certain players under performing is a managers job to predict. This is what he is paid for.
A proactive manager will handle these situations and still get good results.
And lets not forget, all teams suffer injuries, not just MUFC.
Poor tactics (resulting in us being unable to create chances).
Poor man management.
Which players are going to kick on. Please give me names. I am genuinely interested to know who these people are.
This season:
Martial is playing the same now, as he was at the start of the season.
Rashford (appears to have regressed since being Vangaled, though its far too early to conclude that).
Mata has shown no improvement.
Fellaini was more effective last year, so I'd say he has regressed.
Memphis started with promise and regressed as the season progressed.
Bastian has not been great and shows no signs of improving. He is in the twilight of his career so I expect this.
Morgan has been "okay". Not great. Not bad. Decent squad player. He has shown no signs of improvement with time.
Last season:
Di Maria - a player of the absolute highest quality. He was named in the FIFA World XI Our only player who could take apart a world class defence. He made more assists/goals than any other MUFC player last season. Our most prolific attacker. Did he improve? SOLD!
Falcao - he started with promise, but he regressed. He was & is a disaster. He certainly didn't kick on with MUFC or Chelsea. I don't blame LVG.
I could go on, but you get the point.
In our entire squad, only Smalling has improved during LVG's tenure. Read this again. IN OUR ENTIRE SQUAD, ONE PLAYER HAS IMPROVED DURING LVG'S REIGN. <- this has to set alarm bells ringing.
The other issue is attractive football. MUFC are known to be the most boring football team to watch in the country. Am I the only one who is aghast at this? The only time we thrashed a team was when we used U21s players, trained by Warren Joyce, against a team which has only existed for 15 years.
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that's a borderline dishonest remark to make given the context upon which my argument is based. they have klopp now, a very good manager. two years ago they certainly didn't. we have lvg and we are going nowhere... not fast, but nowhere all the same.
they're a team on the rise, and there isn't an unbiased fan on the planet right now that wouldn't trade LVG for klopp.
whether we have better players than them at present is immaterial, given our manager's penchant for making players worse than they actually are.
however, over the course of a full season if you took our squad with lvg for 38 matches against liverpool's with klopp's (bearing in mind, especially, that this is a team that he inherited and has not put his stamp on yet), i firmly believe klopp's would finish ahead.
Also we were damn lucky to win at Anfield this season.
to say the least. wins against watford and most recently watford definitely fall into that category as well, among others from the first part of the season. i discount the middle part seeing as we didn't win anything to begin with.
Where's @Acquire Me ? Are you sure about your source?
As I've said in the LVG out thread - United supporters who want a change at the end of the season, please stop buying the merchandise etc. And let it be known all over whatever social media you use that this is the plan unless we get a change. Directors taking the piss now if they stick with this regime for another season.
As I've said in the LVG out thread - United supporters who want a change at the end of the season, please stop buying the merchandise etc. And let it be known all over whatever social media you use that this is the plan unless we get a change. Directors taking the piss now if they stick with this regime for another season.
Where's @Acquire Me ? Are you sure about your source?
As I've said in the LVG out thread - United supporters who want a change at the end of the season, please stop buying the merchandise etc. And let it be known all over whatever social media you use that this is the plan unless we get a change. Directors taking the piss now if they stick with this regime for another season.
I am. The sad thing is that we will probably not get confirmation anytime soon.
i've been in and out of this party here... mind refreshing what you've heard again? is it that more or less you believe mourinho is coming in as soon as the season's finished?
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