We preferred to play Rafael, Cleverley and ando to him. The message we gave the boy was quite clear to him
BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho
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We preferred to play Rafael, Cleverley and ando to him. The message we gave the boy was quite clear to him
Must we have another tedious Pogba discussion? It's been debated to death ffs.
He did for a fact say he wanted to come to us, tbf. Rather his intentions were real or not.
Badly worded but my point stands, the last time we were successful through bringing through youth was 20 years ago. People are dreaming if they think we will replicate anything like the class of 92 in the modern game.
Well name me a world class manager (Or any manager actually) that took a side that he won the league with to the relegation zones in the space of a few months.
Then also name me a manager who publically insulted his players, superiors and the club at every interview, insulted other managers at every chance, forced the club to demote their doctor for doing her job correctly and had 7 minute meltdowns after every loss.
He lost the plot when things got tough. That's not the hallmarks of a great long term manager.
I've read they're saying it's done, and all that is missing in the green light from the Glazer's and a signature...
Just the main part to whole deal then.
it is off again, the Glazers want GiggsyWell proper clubs tend to go easy on their most successful manager ever and yet you treated him like crap not once but twice in his career. Also please note that you did the same to Di Matteo, the man who brought the CL trophy to London for the first and only time in its history
I really hate to hurt but you're really a plastic club, a small time charlie who would probably never won anything of substance if sugar daddies didn't decide to play the real version of football manager in the EPL
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We will see how you act when the chips are down. Then lets hear all this talk of proper club arrogance. You've had a taste of it with LVG and look what has happened. No more giving him time to build bollocks any more.
Most fans weren't happy with the Di Matteo sacking. Same with the Ancelotti sacking. Mourinho's sacking they agreed with because he was taking us down to the championship. There was no light at the end of the tunnel and he was descending into madness. It will happen to United too. I'll be here to see your proper club talk when it does.
He doesn't respond well when chips are down and everyone knows that. If we get him, i'm sure we wont under any illusions that he's a long term appointment.
LVG had no history with our club, he had won nothing and the team is on decline. We resisted his crap football and messing up for 2 seasons (not few months). Mourinho is your most successful manager ever, he just won the EPL and you sacked him few months after. There again you're used to throw managers who brought success to your club under the bridge, Maureen, Ancelotti, Di Matteo. You're like Real Madrid without the prestige and the history
Which makes me wonder why are you so concerned about us getting Maureen? Maybe you're frightened that the wounded man who brought so much success to you will find his proper footing at United and become more successful with us than he was ever with you? Maybe you're scared he'll turn into a mini SAF? Both have a proven record and Maureen has that cockiness and hunger of a young SAF without the old man's skint nature. Also at his age he might decide to settle down especially if he finds a proper club who doesn't buy players behind his back or sack managers few months after they won honours. Imagine if Maureen goes on for 5-10 years winning at United. That would certainly hurt isn't it?
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This. Chelsea is a joke of a club.
I asked a good friend about that tweet, and he just gave me the full transcription from the audio:
"I've been told and it's sacred information that United and Mourinho have a verbal agreement, not now but from some months ago. They have spoken about wages and everything else, and all is verbally agreed, all. But he hasn't signed yet, one of the Glazers is putting the brakes on it and nobody knows why. It's strange because nobody inside the club have any trust in Van Gaal."
"I've been told and it's sacred information that United and Mourinho have a verbal agreement, not now but from some months ago. They have spoken about wages and everything else, and all is verbally agreed, all. But he hasn't signed yet, one of the Glazers is putting the brakes on it and nobody knows why. It's strange because nobody inside the club have any trust in Van Gaal."
Its just a bit arrogant really. Madrid are worse then Chelsea for sacking managers yet you don't see "proper club" @devilish saying they aren't a proper club. Bayern replaced Heynckes after the treble and they don't get that insult, Barcelona don't get that for changing manager every couple years. So then the only reason why he labels Chelsea that is because we have an owner that invested in us? Reality check, every business and every club has had initial investment from their owner to gain success.You are a funny guy
The only mistake Chelsea made was being fooled by Mourinho's sweet words about longevity and being here for 10 years. It blinded us from putting in place a proper long term plan and meant we gave him full control of the team, allowing him to get rid of all the young talents in there and making the spine of the team old in their prime. He had no long term plans at Chelsea and didn't think past the title winning season. This spread to the team and meant they weren't motivated for the next season.
Who said that they are a proper club? They are not. There again they are the Bentley of football while you're the Audis. A club with no history and totally dependent on the sugar daddy who buys you those little trophies you like as long as you allow him to play football manager with you. If it wasn't for Ruskie you'll be alongside Leeds whom, to be fair, are more of a proper club then you ever were.
You use people like pawns, sacking managers few months after they brought you success. You did the same with Di Matteo the only man in football history who was able to bring the CL in London (in the North they are just fed up of having that cup up there but for the sophisticated Londoners that's a novelty)
probably because he will want to spend big
Lovren
Edit: Wrong thread.
Edit: Wrong thread.
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they are hilarious really. Their fans come here, speaking about Chelsea like some sort of big club and giving us 'advice' when their history pre Ruskie can be written at the back of a Michael Owen's brochure.
I wonder if they are terrified at the prospect of their most successful manager ever working at a rival and proper club who backs managers. Imagine if their most successful manager ends up winning more with United than he did with Chelsea. His career at small time would be eclipsed by what he achieved at United. That would be hilarious
Well I can't really talk about those, he isn't the United manager so who knows what his neutral personality will be like at United. I don't know enough about the guy personally to make a judgement on whether or not he would burn down every United tradition just to get some "W"s in the column. Logic has to dictate (and maybe it is slight fan naivety on my part) that if he truly wants the job, wants to succeed in the role and wants the fans onside from the outset that he'll do everything that is asked of him by the club.
I mean, wouldn't a smart manager do that while trying to win games? In its most basic form, to me only the wrong manager for United would lack an understanding of the landscape, continue fruitless pursuits on match day and talk a barge full of bollocks to put the fans (who are not blind and stupid) offside.
My sub-point is that if we start winning, everyone stops scrambling around the club off match-day looking for solutions to problems they know little about. Once we get back to winning games, scoring goals we can then worry less about what the people behind the scenes are doing.
Lovren is awful 
I was responding to the previous argument that LVG was equally qualified to manage United as Mourinho given that LVG had once won a CL trophy.
My view on Mourinho is that he's a high risk/high reward proposition for us. He dramatically improves our chances of returning trophies to United, but there's no denying that we run the risk -- no guarantee, but at least a risk -- of Jose turning United into a circus.
As for criteria to manage United, they have to pretty high. Ideally, you would have won a trophy somewhere. But at least you would have taken a solid club, such as Tottenham, and dramatically improved it, as Pochettino has. You have to WANT the job, as Mourinho appears to. There aren't many managers who fit all those criteria. We can't do with another Moyes, a solid plodder but who never won anything and we can't do with a manager who won trophies two decades ago, such as Van Gaal. We need someone who has recently won trophies and who wants the job.
We can go with a promising young manager, but if we do we're trading one risk for another. We know Mourinho can handle the job, but he risks turning us into a circus. There's no risk of Pochettino turning us into a circus, but we'd run the risk of him not being up to the job.
A predicament indeed. I solve it by going with Jose, but I appreciate the misgivings about him.
The Sunday papers seem to imply that this is dead in the water ffs.
Hopefully this is bullshit, as the prospect of another season of LVG at the helm, and that followed by the appointment of Giggs will send a lot of us postal!
Hopefully this is bullshit, as the prospect of another season of LVG at the helm, and that followed by the appointment of Giggs will send a lot of us postal!
Which papers are saying this, and what exactly are they saying?
They're just trying to milk the story and sell papers.
Do. Not. Worry.
Do. Not. Worry.
Couple of Sunday Supplement journos seem convinced he's staying because Van Gaal so involved in planning for Summer and will see out deal. Suggesting Woodward does not want to sack him.
Also said many of those convinced Mourinho going to United are now backtracking.
Also said many of those convinced Mourinho going to United are now backtracking.
It's amazing that these people seem no more informed than us, considering their profession & contacts.
I have never believed the club really wants him. Still think we would rather not sign if if we don't have to.
Not happening.
And I also think it's not just SBC and SAF against his appointment. My gues is the Glazers themselves have doubts.
Agreed. However, it honestly looks like what the club's harsher critics have suggested: that the club appear to be making it up as they go along - a good result, and LVG is staying; a bad result, and everything's up in the air again. That's rather pathetic management by Ed & co, given we'll pretty much scrape to any success we might have at season's end; and that's the best-case scenario.
Then the club is buggered and it will serve them right. Far too smug and self serving for their own good. A board that only cares about sponsors and not the product on the field, too many jobs for the boys and too many players who are quite satified to pick up their wages and promote noodles and trainers rather than winning trophies.
I guess we shouldn't be surprised - even the Government is accused of short term-thinking, and only paying lip service to the long term. In this, United are following a trend in business and politics.
'Process' and 'transition' mean that LVG has an excuse for any failure, and Ed has time to sort out his muddled thinking and (reluctant) decision-making.
'Process' and 'transition' mean that LVG has an excuse for any failure, and Ed has time to sort out his muddled thinking and (reluctant) decision-making.
Why is everyone panicking? I don't see any links to any articles or tweets, so I'm confused as to why this recent negativity is present?
The papers in England can write anything they want, false or true, and still get away with it.
So when José Mourinho is official, the same papers and journalists will write a totally different story on the same subject.
This is strange for me, because its not something journalists in Norway can do. In Norway you need to have a source.
Why panic? José Mourinho has signed for us.
In Britain, institutions are so terrified of bad press - and the resultant public scrutiny - that newspapers are practically allowed to whatever they please.
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