BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho

Would you be happy to see Jose Mourinho become next United manager?

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Rednotdead said:
So now you have to have won trophies in England to be qualified to manage Utd?

We're continually narrowing the field here. It's just as well Guardiola didn't want to come here because he wouldn't be qualified.
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Well it has certainly shown that it would help. Considering the last two managerial appointments have not really gotten us close to winning silverware and a common trait between those two managers has been that they hadve not had any success in England before. I am not saying that is a pre-requisite before we have any success, either of course.

Guardiola is of course another risky appointment, it could go tits up for City he could face plant. When he wins things I will praise him accordingly but you won't hear me doing it before that bell tolls. That is for sure.

Every managerial appointment is risky. Considering only a handful of managers have won the league in England in the last decade I am going to stick my neck out and say that we should appoint the one that currently has won it more than once, is not employed and is not currently retired.
 
Sultan said:
Koeman has also done a great job at Southampton with a weaker squad and basically after many players were sold off to other clubs. Should he also be a candidate? Pochetino has not really achieved much or consistently to be considered for the United job. Yes, he has Spurs challenging for the title, so has Ranieri. Let's not judge candidates on a blue moon season.

Anyway, the speculation is coming from Pochetino's camp. They're negotiating a new contract.
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I'd be more comfortable with Koeman in charge than Giggs.
 
Rednotdead said:
So if Spurs win the league on goal difference this season it makes him eligible to manage Utd because he's won something, whereas if they lose it on goal difference it makes him ineligible because he hasn't won anything?
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So, by that rationale, wouldn't Brendan Rogers become a decent fit for the club? He played goodish football for a year, went on to finish runner up, had L'pool in contention right up to the closing weeks of the season. He also hadn't won anything, but certainly was heralded by many ( pundits & scallies alike ) as the next "big thing".
 
Perrick Dubois said:
Well it has certainly shown that it would help. Considering the last two managerial appointments have not really gotten us close to winning silverware and a common trait between those two managers has been that they hadve not had any success in England before. I am not saying that is a pre-requisite before we have any success, either of course.

Guardiola is of course another risky appointment, it could go tits up for City he could face plant. When he wins things I will praise him accordingly but you won't hear me doing it before that bell tolls. That is for sure.

Every managerial appointment is risky. Considering only a handful of managers have won the league in England in the last decade I am going to stick my neck out and say that we should appoint the one that currently has won it more than once, is not employed and is not currently retired.
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But that's ignoring all the other factors - the style of football, the refusal to introduce young players, the too-cosy relationship with Mendes, the inane behaviour, the itchy feet after a couple of seasons etc etc.

I just don't see him as a fit for Utd.
 
Sultan said:
Koeman has also done a great job at Southampton with a weaker squad and basically after many players were sold off to other clubs. Should he also be a candidate? Pochetino has not really achieved much or consistently to be considered for the United job. Yes, he has Spurs challenging for the title, so has Ranieri. Let's not judge candidates on a blue moon season.

Anyway, the speculation is coming from Pochetino's camp. They're negotiating a new contract.
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In the absence of Mou I'd most definitely be happy with Koeman in charge.
 
I'm pretty sure Mourinho has already signed with us. He's an extremely high profile and highly sorted manager - there would have been strong stories of other clubs having negotiations with him by now. The fact that everything is so quiet, just how the way we seem to do things, says it all.
 
Kaos said:
I remember back in the SAF days there was always a flavour of the month manager who overachieved with an underwhelming side and posters collectively blew their loads at the idea of them being the next United manager. Think O'Neil and Moyes and see how they turned out, especially the latter who we actually appointed.

I'm not saying Poch will definitely go the same route, but I'd like to see what he can achieve over a few seasons. And considering Mourinho is hardly known for his longevity, it won't necessarily be too long that we'd have to wait.
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Didn't Brian Little give SAF a run for his money once in the 90's?
 
Freak said:
I'm pretty sure Mourinho has already signed with us. He's an extremely high profile and highly sorted manager - there would have been strong stories of other clubs having negotiations with him by now. The fact that everything is so quiet, just how the way we seem to do things, says it all.
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The amount of rumours and reports that he's coming seem to be on par with the amount about Pep going to City. Usually when the football media is reporting something this much, it's true.
 
Rednotdead said:
But that's ignoring all the other factors - the style of football, the refusal to introduce young players, the too-cosy relationship with Mendes, the inane behaviour, the itchy feet after a couple of seasons etc etc.

I just don't see him as a fit for Utd.
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Who cares about the style of football, he gets results that's all that matters

People need to move on from this promoting "youth" thing when ours simply isn't good enough the class of 92 was a freak of nature and won't happen every again. Cbj and rashford look decent but only time will tell if they fizzle out.

The behaviour doesn't bother me quite frankly it'll be nice seeing some passion and desire on the sidelines again rather than someone that doesn't move all Match at the end of the day SAF wasn't exaxtly a saint either he caused his fair share of trouble.
 
dannyrhinos89 said:
Who cares about the style of football, he gets results that's all that matters

People need to move on from this promoting "youth" thing when ours simply isn't good enough the class of 92 was a freak of nature and won't happen every again.

The behaviour doesn't bother me quite frankly it'll be nice seeing some passion and desire on the sidelines again rather than someone that doesn't move all Match at the end of the day SAF wasn't exaxtly a saint either he caused his fair share of trouble.
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I think you'll find the majority of Utd supporters care about the type of football.

Why do "people need to move on from this promoting "youth" thing?". Don't the likes of Rashford and CBJ blow a hole in that statement?
 
dannyrhinos89 said:
Who cares about the style of football, he gets results that's all that matters.
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I agree. In fact, why not just do away with the football altogether? We should just draw the winners from a hat at the end of each season. The richest clubs can have more entries in the hat, depending on how many packets of noodles they sold in the previous quarter.
 
He'll be here for 2-3 seasons and he doesnt guarantee anything.. especially in this league with the money and the top managers around.

Worth bringing a colossal cnut in just to have a shot at winning something in the short term? Are we that desperate for a trophy?

There has to be a manager out there who can take the squad and the money and get the club back on the right track.
We might have a better chance at winning the league in the extremely short term under Jose, but there is no guarantee he leaves with everything rosy and in good shape.

Not a trade off I'd want to make.

Just get some decent manager.. or keep trying till we find one.
 
I get why people worry about Jose's style and might go for the "romantics" choice of Poch, the young enthusiastic manager who believes in youth and attractive football.

But have we really not learnt our lesson with Moyes? Being in charge of a top club is a whole different thing, the pressure with the United job could crush even the most experienced managers. Before style of play and all the "United Way" crap, we need a manager with character, who has the arrogance and self belief that he deserves this job and that United belong at the pinnacle of football, and one who has a win or bust mentality that Sir Alex instilled in this club. Winning comes first.

Thats my opinion anyway, and thats why id say Jose fits the bill and Poch doesnt, at least not yet.
 
Its not the right time to appoint Poch especially when Jose is available,Poch needs time at one club to prove himself.Club like us will be too soon for him.
 
prateik said:
He'll be here for 2-3 seasons and he doesnt guarantee anything.. especially in this league with the money and the top managers around.
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I think if people are going to state that he'll only be here for a few seasons as fact then they need to apply the same logic to whether he'd win trophies. Both assumptions are based on his managerial history and both have reasons to be skeptical about. However you can't cherry pick one, label it a guarantee based on his track record, and disregard the other.

For what it's worth I don't think him being here 3 seasons or him winning trophies are set in stone. I just believe that there's more to point towards the former habit changing.
 
Most people care about the style of football, but the immediate priority is to get United winning again. Sixth place is a nonsense for a club of Uniteds size, and we need to return to being a perennial CL club and trophy contender before we can think about champagne football.

With this aim in mind, the choice of manager is a percentage game. Noone can guarantee success, but Mourinho, based on his track record, offers a greater probability of success than Pochettino at the moment.

Pochettino looks like the real deal, but let's not forget Rogers was in exactly the same situation two years ago. You wouldn't take him now, would you?
 
A - the only proper club maureen lead was porto. The rest wanted instant success something Maureen provided. You can't blame the man for following orders

B- chelsea obsession with old/injury prone strikers preceded Maureen (hughes and vialli) and succeeded him (pato)

C- How many of these great chelsea products went on becoming world class articles ?
 
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Rado_N said:
LVG wouldn't have picked him had it not been for a ridiculous amount of Injuries.

Also the notion that Rashford doing well has "reminded" SAF et al about United's focus on youth is truly stupid.
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Oliver Kay has written an article on United? It's bound to be stupid.
 
I like Poch and I think he's done a very good job at Spurs with a modest budget, and a very young side. Made some really good purchases along the way, and gotten players like Lamela and Dembele playing far better than they were, however I don't think he's done enough yet to warrant being picked ahead of Mourinho. Fact is that in any other season Spurs would be nowhere near the top with this points tally. It's very difficult to use this season as a basis for, well ... anything.

I also think he probably wouldn't leave Spurs right now and when he finally does I think he's more likely to go to Real ahead of us.
 
Adisa said:
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I love how it's being made to look as though playing Rashford was part of Van Gaals master plan. He only got called up because every fecking striker and player in our squad that could play striker was injured!! Under similar circumstance Mourinho would have played Rashford too.
 
Massive Spanner said:
I like Poch and I think he's done a very good job at Spurs with a modest budget, and a very young side. Made some really good purchases along the way, and gotten players like Lamela and Dembele playing far better than they were, however I don't think he's done enough yet to warrant being picked ahead of Mourinho. Fact is that in any other season Spurs would be nowhere near the top with this points tally. It's very difficult to use this season as a basis for, well ... anything.

I also think he probably wouldn't leave Spurs right now and when he finally does I think he's more likely to go to Real ahead of us.
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Next season will show if he is the real deal. Teams will be more prepared for Spurs, so we will see if he can deal with that. Also as you say he has run teams on a small budget, next season they may need to spend so serious money to maintain their position. The choice of purchase can make or break a team and manager.
 
I know this is an unlikely theory, and it may not even belong here, but this is a genuine question; are we so sure that Pep has signed for City? I know City have come out and stated this, but I've never heard Pep say he is going to "City", only "England". Could there be a twist in this saga. Could it be he has signed a pre-contract with City only to ditch them for us?
I guess I'm dreaming up scenarios where Mou doesn't end up here, more in hope than anything.
 
Fergie's gum said:
I know this is an unlikely theory, and it may not even belong here, but this is a genuine question; are we so sure that Pep has signed for City? I know City have come out and stated this, but I've never heard Pep say he is going to "City", only "England". Could there be a twist in this saga. Could it be he has signed a pre-contract with City only to ditch them for us?
I guess I'm dreaming up scenarios where Mou doesn't end up here, more in hope than anything.
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Wake up.
 
Fergie's gum said:
I know this is an unlikely theory, and it may not even belong here, but this is a genuine question; are we so sure that Pep has signed for City? I know City have come out and stated this, but I've never heard Pep say he is going to "City", only "England". Could there be a twist in this saga. Could it be he has signed a pre-contract with City only to ditch them for us?
I guess I'm dreaming up scenarios where Mou doesn't end up here, more in hope than anything.
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:lol:
 
Garethw said:
I love how it's being made to look as though playing Rashford was part of Van Gaals master plan. He only got called up because every fecking striker and player in our squad that could play striker was injured!! Under similar circumstance Mourinho would have played Rashford too.
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Mourinho would have played Memphis as a striker.
 
Oliver Kay needs to shut it. Whomever is getting the press to run with this narrative needs to stop as most fans are not buying this.
Feck sake hope Ed isn't listening to what is a very transparent way of manipulating the situation to keep Mourinho or whomever else out of the United job.
 
Pep won't say anything, cause he is focused on his current job, and don't want to unsettle the Bayern players.
Not doing the same mistake City did.
 
devilish said:
A - the only proper club maureen lead was porto. The rest wanted instant success something Maureen provided. You can't blame the man for following orders

B- chelsea obsession with old/injury prone strikers preceded Maureen (hughes and vialli) and succeeded him (pato)

C- How many of these great chelsea products went on becoming world class articles ?
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Matic, De Bruyne, Lukaku. The rest he didn't give chances are still in their teens/early 20's.

We wanted long term with Mourinho and he didn't deliver. He won't deliver that for United either.
 
Garethw said:
I love how it's being made to look as though playing Rashford was part of Van Gaals master plan. He only got called up because every fecking striker and player in our squad that could play striker was injured!! Under similar circumstance Mourinho would have played Rashford too.
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Like feck he would,he would pick AM or wide player and play him as false 9,like he did many times. Hell he did it vs Moyes at OT.
 
R'hllor said:
Like feck he would,he would pick AM or wide player and play him as false 9,like he did many times. Hell he did it vs Moyes at OT.
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Like Van gaal played Memphis and Fellaini as false 9? Or like Van gaal played Rooney as a CM or Young as a fullback?
 
JPRouve said:
Like Van gaal played Memphis and Fellaini as false 9? Or like Van gaal played Rooney as a CM or Young as a fullback?
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Yea and? There is no chance in hell that cnut would play Rashford vs City away.
 
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