Yep. Can't wait to read Argh, What The F*ck Were We Thinking?
BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho
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Yep. Can't wait to read Argh, What The F*ck Were We Thinking?
True. Hopefully we win against Everton to keep it going, but if we don't and then have a cup replay and Spurs it could go wrong quickly. On the other hand it could be a great end to the season. Nothing will happen one way or another to the season end anyway.
Don't forget the Scottish dialect. I can't believe how many people rush out to buy basically the same book with a couple of extra pages added.
I imagine the titles will progress from Leading to Retiring to Regretting.Doesn't mean a thing. Van Gaal will be gone when the season is over, relax.
I think he is regretting going.
Yep, I am still completely convinced that he will be. People will be very disappointed, but there hasn't really been any kind of big backlash against him or anything other than in the media (who are then quick to backtrack when he wins or draws a game or two) and I don't think the board see any issue with him staying on. Van Gaal seems relaxed and I am sure he'll be manager next season even if we finish 5th and win nothing.
You look at this squad - our biggest players have been youngsters even before the injury crisis. Yes there is no silverware, yet they are not completely against ability either. At times it's almost an u21 team with sprinkles of past their best players'
If LVG has another year- he will make a full first 11 under the age of 23. They probably will still not win a title; but having kids play up to say top 4 : only really lacks top draw players to not just win PL but CL too.
A team like city will have to replace every one of their players when they find a new shiny one; but at united if we have a first 11 that can be competitive - adding the wonder stars and players and replacing them is a much easier thing to do because of the youth dedication and passion for the club.
You see it with iniesta,Xavi,puyol, Muller, alaba just about every player LVG stuck in the deep end.
The biggest difference and the reason I think he will stay is because the sheer quantity of young players under the age of 25 we have.
Having such little players in their prime is something you cannot hide.
I hope he stays, Barcelona and Bayern did so well on a team built around on a few core players - we have the opportunity to turn this in to 11 and more that have their whole careers working together in tandem.
That's why LVG will always be a big name for youngsters never mind the United side of things.
SAF + Gill said they had some master plan for his retirement and that turned out to be neither Mourinho or anyone significant but moyes. I believe they knew this was the plan and LVG is a man who trains his teams to be strong even without the manager on the side of the touchline.
Let's wait and see.
LVG one more season - one season a monster regenerates
Season after that- you have nothing but an upward curve of youngsters learning and adapting.
If LVG has another year- he will make a full first 11 under the age of 23. They probably will still not win a title; but having kids play up to say top 4 : only really lacks top draw players to not just win PL but CL too.
A team like city will have to replace every one of their players when they find a new shiny one; but at united if we have a first 11 that can be competitive - adding the wonder stars and players and replacing them is a much easier thing to do because of the youth dedication and passion for the club.
You see it with iniesta,Xavi,puyol, Muller, alaba just about every player LVG stuck in the deep end.
The biggest difference and the reason I think he will stay is because the sheer quantity of young players under the age of 25 we have.
Having such little players in their prime is something you cannot hide.
I hope he stays, Barcelona and Bayern did so well on a team built around on a few core players - we have the opportunity to turn this in to 11 and more that have their whole careers working together in tandem.
That's why LVG will always be a big name for youngsters never mind the United side of things.
SAF + Gill said they had some master plan for his retirement and that turned out to be neither Mourinho or anyone significant but moyes. I believe they knew this was the plan and LVG is a man who trains his teams to be strong even without the manager on the side of the touchline.
Let's wait and see.
LVG one more season - one season a monster regenerates
Season after that- you have nothing but an upward curve of youngsters learning and adapting.
SAF has nothing to do with the running of Manchester United. He can talk all he likes but it isn't going to change the fact he has no influence on the decisions made by the club (or more accurately Ed Woodward, Richard Arnold, and the Glazers).
Our nerves are in shreds.
Yup got to agree here. I got a fair bit of stick the other day when I said I think he may well be here next season. I mean, it wold be a travesty and would make for another unbearable season, but all the 'LvG being sacked / leaving rumours' have died, for the most part anyway. The Mourinho hype machine is in full drive but most of that appears media / tabloid driven. I'm definitely worried that he might be here next season.
Given that it is more or less obvious that he is here till end of season, it is very unlikely for Utd to make any announcements till May. So no point really in getting all worked up on this.
Nice try Louis
Well it's me, Louis and SAF saying the same thing. You don't go out to war all guns blazing. You have to take it easy and organise first.
LVG is the best organiser ever and was Barcelona's man to call when they were in trouble, and then Bayern's when they were not looking so rosey.
However, that is all he is - an organiser and not the manager to actually win things.
The way the squad is set up with primarily youth, then predominantly ' the elderly and then players in their prime that would not get in to half the clubs in the top 5 - shows to me that this was a plan.
Maybe just maybe, if LVG was bought for this- it might explain why he was so quick to get rid of Nani & RVP - for however old, they can make differences to win matches.
We now have one and about 0 players who takes a shout out the box
He wasn't given the Lee-way at Bayern & Barcelona ( since they don't have hindsight) and managed to do all he could integrating the few youngsters that showed promise with players that were soon to be no good.
No wonder he struggled in his penultimate years because he is- as I say- an organiser and not a top of the range manager.
This has to be a plan.
We could have 11 martials, Shaw's , cbjs,tfm, rashford, Memphis etc. I am excited for that.
If arsenal gave so much time for literally nothing and not even an excessive integration for youth - I think we could afford him some time.
Can't way for someone to make a movie from this - The Process Organiser!
Frankly, what I see is a plan to ensure that Rooney keeps his place, at both club and international level.
Rooney is there purely for experience. Players like Rashford and Martial have plenty to learn from Rooney. Infact they lack what Rooney has and Rooney lacks what they have. Rooney will be gone because he passed the time he had to adapt.
How is what I posted anything trollish?
I said the same thing and explained what I think to be what SAF meant; the greatest manager of all time and all of a sudden I'm a troll.
I bet no one will be up you a++ over you targeting me and the quality of my posts.
I wouldn't bet on that, mate - I can see us keeping him even if he reaches his personal goals this season (beating records, stellar testimonial, starring at the Euros etc etc) thus proferring the club an easy 'farewell' scenario; amongst football people at all levels - including our club's hierarchy - there's a nationwide denial about Rooney's current abilities and status.
1. SAF is a club ambasador, hes not going to call out the manager and Louis only tries to save his own hide
2. Best organizer ever, on what merit?
3. I think 99,9% of fans want a manager who wins trophies rather than someone who is good at "organizing", whatever you put in that term
4. He has to throw on youth because of his own failings in the transfer market. Fair enough, we have had loads of injuries this summer, but that does not excuse selling all our strikers (bar Rooney) over the age of 20
5. Top clubs usually don't give much leeway to managers for a simple reason: They expect success. Most fans on here agreed that top 4 was the minimum requirement, something he looks like missiong out on. The worst part though, is not the results but the shite football we have played.
6. Pretty much everyone agreed that Moyes deserved to be axed, yet Van Gaal has done no better and has spent money like a drunken sailor as well
To sum up, you can argue hes laying foundations all you want, but i just don't see it. In fact i think we have regressed rather than impoved, and that is not exactly the direction we want to be going in
wonder what page he'll finally be announced.#
I go 211.
I go 211.
There will be more than 24 pages added between now and the end of the season.
I'm sure he will stay too but that's more down the age difference between someone like Rooney and Rashford even Martial. We could buy a striker in his prime like Higuain or whoever the papers spout out next but that will be a detriment to the youngsters and multiple will struggle to get game time when one cog is permanently fixed.
That's if LVG's I'm charge. I could begin to think what happens with Jose.
United are not Arsenal though, there are certain expectations that have to be met.
is this true? I know 90min is full of bs but I hope its not true.
http://www.90min.com/posts/3077577-...ious-talks-with-valencia-revealed?a_aid=35975
http://www.90min.com/posts/3077577-...ious-talks-with-valencia-revealed?a_aid=35975
The answer lies in the question.
I'm saying that LVG Has implemented youth aggressively. Chucking him out when the youth have been our best players is a bit idiotic?
Keeping him when the club clearly have regressed would be a bit idiotic.
They have because there has been no pressure on them as such. Next season if they are still in the team the pressure will be intense. If we don't get top class experience into that team it will be disastrous. Some of them will come through, but you can guarantee most will buckle. The kids need bringing in and out of the team, for their development as people as well as players. Otherwise we will have a team of kids who will stop trying as they think they have made it.
Also if he is such a great planner, how come he couldn't come up with a plan to get us through in europe or beat teams in the bottom half of the league? If anything he has no plan.
Mourinho is ours, for those of you who want him here, do not fear Jose will be here!
I can just feel it in my balls.
I can just feel it in my balls.
Does that happen often?
Because that is management which he is rubbish at. He is a organiser like a sargent.
Bayern & Barcelona - the players are better than the manager. They almost manage themselves. I believe we are getting them to be less reliant on managers and more reliant on the right type of player - of which we maybe have about 6 out of 11 approx.
Because it was never his plan, his plan was to train the player so well that the next manager could go through the CL group stage.
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