Better to be pessimistic about this and expect the worse then if it happens brilliant.
BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho
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Better to be pessimistic about this and expect the worse then if it happens brilliant.
What's your excuses for this season?
The feck are you on about? The fact that you're going to use one bad season to argue against what Jose has done for the rest of his career shows how stupid you are.
It was beyond disastrous though. Top managers just don't have seasons like that. Far worse than anything lvg has done
I think it's perfectly OK to use this season when it comes to judging mourinho
When Van Gaal was sacked at Barcelona, they were sitting 3 points above the relegation zone. Can't imagine how Mourinho's season at Chelsea was 'far worse than anything LVG has done'. Infact, that's not the only blot on his managerial record. That Dutch 2002 World Cup qualification campaign was a nightmare - that was the only time they had missed out on a World Cup in almost 2 decades - with a generation boasting Davids, Van Nistelrooy, Kluivert, Stam, Seedorf, De Boer, van Bronckhorst, van der Sar, Makaay, Cocu - arguably the 3rd best they have ever produced after the one with Cruyff, Krol, Neeskens; and Van Basten, Rijkaard, Gullit, Koeman.
Sometimes things happen in football, and we aren't always privy to the background environment. Mourinho was at fault for Chelsea's season no doubt, but when the daggers are out, and the players seem intent on sabotaging the manager (their dressing room can be quite toxic based on historical evidence of player power), there's no going back.
Sometimes things happen in football, and we aren't always privy to the background environment. Mourinho was at fault for Chelsea's season no doubt, but when the daggers are out, and the players seem intent on sabotaging the manager (their dressing room can be quite toxic based on historical evidence of player power), there's no going back.
Fair enough if you think so mate. Even then, what could you say about this season that could be used to judge how his managerial career will pan out?
That he's lost all sense of how to play football? Clearly not.
Lost the ability to man manage? Maybe for a blip this season but Chelsea have had a long standing problem with player power.
Lost his winning mentality?
I doubt so.
IMO this season for LVG has been far more damning because whatever he's done here he has been accused of in the past. The way he's gone about trying to justify his process and shuffle the team around shows that he really had no idea to begin with. Even when circumstance showed him the right way to go he just doesn't see it and blindly reverts back to form.
I stand corrected.
If you're willing to rightly point out Van Gaal's flaws it's a bit disingenuous to downplay Mourinho's. To pretend that this is the first time he's fallen out with his squad when it happened in his final year at Real Madrid (and I suspect he ran that aging Inter squad into the ground for one last hurrah) while he seemed to fall out with everyone at Chelsea by the end of his first time in charge. He's surely not lost the ability to make very strong, winning teams but I do think he's not shown the same magic in the last 6 years as he did between 2003 and 2010.
The more I think about Mourinho being manager, the less enamoured I am with the idea. On the surface the prospect of having a manager who would very likely have us challenging over the next couple of years and taking Guardiola on head-to-heard seems hugely enticing but I'm not sure it's worth it given his track record dictates he'll leave us with a squad that is physically and emotionally broken within 3 years, his approach to games against good sides is to be cynical, negative and often dirty whilst I find him a complete bore as a person. Ferguson was a twat on a regular basis but he usually (not always) made sure that he protected the interests of the club and the team and didn't drag us through the mud with his spite and bitterness with anything like the regularity that Mourinho does.
That's ignoring issues like him having no real history of trusting young players, building a style of play that a club can maintain for years to come and his questionable transfer record/the risk of Mendes' influence becoming even bigger when it is already too big at the club.
If the youth players are not good enough, why should he play them?
And his style of play is called, winning trophies.
What he does is analyse his players. Analyse his opponents and he picks the best tactics which suit his players, to beat the opponent.
I'll put it another way: if you are interested in wining trophies, hire Jose. He'll get you the silverware.
If you are after pretty football, you are much better off asking Wenger to manage us. He'll consistently get us top 4, while playing attractive attacking football, while not spending money.
By style of football I mean something that another manager could follow on. I acknowledge that these days it's unlikely that we will have a really long-term manager but Mourinho leaves basically nothing for his replacement, a pissed off squad who have been pushed too far physically and emotionally. Our squad would be clearly the weakest he's had probably since he initially took the Porto job so by the time the squad is in the shape to compete we'll get one year (2 if we're very, very lucky) before he falls into his usual pattern of falling out with everyone at the club and looking for a way out.
I also happen to think that play attacking football and giving good young players a chance is important, they're things I enjoy when I watch football. If it was just about results I could easily check the BBC sport website at 10 to 5 and move on.
He would know feck all about them being good enough or not.
Another season of Mangle & Silent Bob and I'll be committing Louicide.
Imagine another season of this.
If LVG guided us to a 5th place finish in his 3rd and final season he would somehow convince me in a lengthy press conference that this was his plan all along and I would somehow sit there content with his managerial reign.
If LVG guided us to a 5th place finish in his 3rd and final season he would somehow convince me in a lengthy press conference that this was his plan all along and I would somehow sit there content with his managerial reign.
Wonder if there's a chance Special1TV will return if Mourinho gets appointed. 
That alone is reason enough to appoint him!Wonder if there's a chance Special1TV will return if Mourinho gets appointed.
I'm sick of hearing about this 'bringing the youth through' nonsense. Can anyone give a good example of a manager who has consistently brought through top class youth players through their own system and into the first team since the Abramovich (money) era started? Ferguson barely did - Fletcher, O'Shea, Welbeck, Evans....?
Klopp had a season like that in the beginning for.Dortmund last year. He was given time to turn things around, Mourinho wasn't given that time. You wouldn't have Klopp here?
Klopp hasn't shown anything so far that would justify him being here. Liverpool were 10th on 8th October when he took over and are 9th now.
Mourinho loves his bulky strikers don't he?
Iv got not problem with getting one but that's going to mean a detriment to rashford,martial,wilson, Memphis playing in different positions.
The slimmest strikers I can remember him using is maybe McCarthy and eto'o.
Iv got not problem with getting one but that's going to mean a detriment to rashford,martial,wilson, Memphis playing in different positions.
The slimmest strikers I can remember him using is maybe McCarthy and eto'o.
Guardiola, Klopp, LVG, SAF (missed out cleverly - players who would have stayed had SAF did), Wenger, Rodger's - just about most managers that don't have a supplier like Roman & Mansour.
Then most Italian teams too, Valencia, Bilbao, Tottenham - have generally used young players or bought some up.
There is a benefit of bringing up a whole bunch of players if they all do have significant quality because they have generally played together anyway.
SAF used the class of 92 for 20 years or so - he didn't need to bring up another class again - just bits and pieces.
Right now United have what a squad filled with quality fillers able to play for the top 4's and what we need now is the big major players to take us to the top.
You do it the other way and you have a Madrid situation where they win things by a throw of the dice.
Rashford is a big lad to be fair. If he could improve his hold up play and aerial strength he'd be a very Mourinho player
Bayern München under LVG was a bit of that aswell he might have brought through some great youth but Bayern have a great set up and many of the greats have come from that academy. He constantly went against the grain and sometimes looked like he wanted to check how far he could go.. He shows some of that here.
Chelsea under Mourinho last season looked the part and played some brilliant football before the new year, but went to secure mode later in that season. But something happened behind the scenes as Chelsea already showed signs of it in pre season, they just looked terrible.. That spark had gone and players looked pretty unhappy. Does anyone really think that Falcao was Mourinho's signing? If he could have picked anybody in the world... He clearly didn't get funded and lost the dressing room, what happened only he knows but I think he might have learned his lesson.
None of his strikers at Madrid or Inter were bulky.
Mate, LVG left Barca in the relegation zone one year, and failed to get a Holland side containing Kluivert, Van Nistelrooy, Stam and Overmars to the 2002 World Cup.
It's not just LVG either. Fergie obviously had a couple of distinctly mediocre seasons when he got to United (and it's worth remembering that in his final season at Aberdeen, the club he had turned into a giant in Scottish football, he only finished fourth in their lousy league).
Guardiola has obviated the possibility of such disaster by managing the two top clubs in world football, and Ancelotti has been fired from his last two big jobs. Pochettino's record at Espanyol was distinctly average.
Yes Mourinho's record this year was atrocious, but to say it's unique among the world's top football managers would be stretching the point for me.
I agree. Mourinho's case has been magnified due to the Carneiro issue.
Benzema, Milito and Higuaín aren't exactly small, they're all big enough (either height, weight or both). Zlatan speaks for himself.
Signed Adebayor on loan at Madrid too...
In case anyone has been away, There haven't been any updates in about 50 pages.
Why the feck do you fecker keep on bumping it without any news. feck your pogba debate. Post some news!
They are not bulky, I'm fairly sure that the point was that Mourinho only wants players like Drogba or Diego Costa, and that's wrong. Mourinho wants good strikers with good technique and good athletic attributes but who doesn't?
Benzema, Huiguin? Milito? There no John Hartson but they are far stronger than most.
They are normal top strikers, there is nothing special about them, they are better athletes and better technicians than their average colleagues.
I think his point/question was valid - Mourinho has never really played with a striker smaller than 6 foot (maybe at Porto?). Doesn't mean he can't/won't pick a smaller striker but fair enough to question whether your smaller youth strikers will be suitable.
They are all round perfect hold up strikers. You are claiming they can't do that job, which is not true. They are not your Hernandez type strikers.
They are not smaller though, Martial and Rashford are as tall as Milito and they are teenagers. there is no point really, it's just an unwarranted criticism, what type of manager is going to choose a weaker player when he can have a strong, fast and technically gifted player?
Milito is 6 feet, Eto'o is shorter, Higuain and Benzema are in the norm, Rashford and Martial are around Milito and Eto'o heights.
I claimed nothing and Martial and Rashford aren't Hernandez either.
No. There are big lads, who Mourinho hopefully will love.
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