BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho

Would you be happy to see Jose Mourinho become next United manager?

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Brophs said:
We'd have to be batshit crazy to let Keane back in the door. I have huge admiration for him in many ways, but he'll cause issues sooner or later, particularly when working with pampered players on a day to day basis.
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Just too much baggage otherwise it would be a dream

I'd give it 10 days before papers reporting he hasn't fallen out with at least one player

I'm terrified he is going to ruin the euros in some way
 
devilish said:
Carlos Queiroz would be nice. A calming presence who knows his stuff, he's Portuguese and can act as bridge between the sceptical football directors and mou
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This! If there is chemistry and mutual respect between them both, it's the perfect solution. I'd also like get for Giggs to be retained in an influential capacity.
 
sammsky1 said:
This! If there is chemistry and mutual respect between them both, it's the perfect solution. I'd also like get for Giggs to be retained in an influential capacity.
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Do you not think it's time for Giggs to start his managerial career. Rui Faria is going to be number 2 so it will be bit of demotion for giggs if he decideds to stay I think.

Will be weird for Mourinho having someone waiting for him to get sacked in his coaching team
 
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sammsky1 said:
This! If there is chemistry and mutual respect between them both, it's the perfect solution. I'd also like get for Giggs to be retained in an influential capacity.
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Giggs has to go. We cant have an assistant manager whose only chance of getting a promotion is for the manager to fail
 
Not included in pre season video either....


This is the report from guardian -

The future of the Manchester United manager, Louis van Gaal, has been placed in further doubt after the Dutchman was left out of the club’s promotional video for the summer tour of China.

Van Gaal’s position at Old Trafford has been the subject of continued speculation with the former Chelsea manager José Mourinho tipped to take over.

Van Gaal will soon enter the final year of a three-year contract but was left out of a48-second clip on the club website to promote the summer trip to east Asia. The video featured 14 members of the current squad and several former players.

The video for last summer’s tour to the United States featured Van Gaal prominently but his position has come under pressure with the team now out of Europe and not featuring in the Premier League title race.

United’s hopes of a top-four finish and Champions League qualification for next season were boosted by victory in the Manchester derby on Sunday and they face West Ham in an FA Cup quarter-final replay on 13 April.

But leaving Van Gaal out of the promotional video for the International Champions Cup games against Borussia Dortmund in Shanghai on 22 July and Manchester City in Beijing three days later has added to speculation that the Dutchman could be on his way out.
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Subtle hints from the club now. I expect we announce him in next month.
 
Back to the potential support staff for Mourinho topic, surely it'll be that shithawk Rui Faria. He's been Joses right hand man since the first Chelsea stint, and was on the medical team at Porto with Jose before that. Since Porto, Jose goes nowhere without him. Giggs will be getting the heave ho. He needs to leave anyway to prove his worth, or at least cut his teeth managing the U21s first.

Faria seems like a prize cnut though. Like some sort of cartoon villain.
 
OnlyTwoDaSilvas said:
Back to the potential support staff for Mourinho topic, surely it'll be that shithawk Rui Faria. He's been Joses right hand man since the first Chelsea stint, and was on the medical team at Porto with Jose before that. Since Porto, Jose goes nowhere without him. Giggs will be getting the heave ho. He needs to leave anyway to prove his worth, or at least cut his teeth managing the U21s first.

Faria seems like a prize cnut though. Like some sort of cartoon villain.
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I can't wait for all those "what does Faria actually do" threads next season :lol:

Natener said:
"Si, uno dos tres" Not quite Portugese, but my Spanish tutor Mr Moyiesta said it's all the same.
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:lol:

I prefer "Moyesiesta" ;)
 
Mourinho did a great job with inter's youth system. Here is an article before he was chelsea manager.


THE FUTURE OF CHELSEA? LOOK TO INTER FOR THE REAL MOURINHO LEGACY
It was hidden somewhere behind the thinly veiled jabs at Iker Casillas and the Spanish media, beneath the Twitter friendly ‘Happy One’ sound bite, Jose Mourinho’s first press conference since returning to Chelsea did contain one point of genuine interest. He may or may not have been spinning a line when he spoke about attempting to make John Terry "the best player he can be" but, when he spoke about leaving a lasting legacy and giving young players a stable future, there is evidence to support his claims.

“We have no doubts about what we want to do and the approach we want to have,” he told reporters, before going on to say “the most important part of my job at the moment is the improvement of the youth here. They have big potential and I think I have the conditions to help improve them."Looking at the vast sums paid in transfer fees during his original spell at Stamford Bridge, then Inter and most recently Real Madrid, a casual observer could be forgiven for thinking that too was just another media savvy sound bite from the man Pep Guardiola once called “the chief” of the pressroom.

Yet upon closer inspection there is every reason to believe it is a promise the coach will keep. While his time at Real Madrid was spent fighting battles on almost every front, it is in Milan where we find what Mourinho is capable of when given genuine control of a club’s policies and planning. With Massimo Moratti desperate to build upon the fleeting success begun under Roberto Mancini, the club President relinquished his usual overbearing power to give the charismatic Portuguese a level of power previously unseen during the owner’s two decades in charge of the club.

Such was his impact on the Nerazzurri that after Claudio Ranieri – once a bitter rival – took charge of Inter in late 2011, he claimed Mourinho should have a statue built in his honour at the club’s training ground. However, while the incredible Treble of 2010 was an immense achievement, it was for the work done behind the scenes which the affable Roman was referring to. Mourinho completely revitalised and invigorated Inter on all fronts, a point not lost in a recent report on youth systems by the European Club Association.

In its extensive research, the body discovered that the Milanese club had revitalised its vision and philosophy after Mourinho demanded that his first team squad – excluding goalkeepers – was made up of “nineteen top players and four from the academy.” The coach told club Managing Director Ernesto Paolillo that the reasons behind this move were to speed up the development of youngsters whilst keeping transfer costs to a minimum. He ensured this was maintained by regularly visiting the academy and meeting with the coaches there to discuss their responsibilities.

Tactics and formations were passed to the teams in order for them to replicate what was happening at the highest level but the individual training sessions and methods used were left to the coaches. Under the guidance of Mourinho, the club’s Primavera squad – made up of players aged 19 and under – went from being one of the worst in Serie A to winning both the prestigious Viareggio Tournament and the NextGen Series in the last two years. After years of failing to supply Italian players to the international setup and being ridiculed for signing countless foreign imports, Inter’s youth system produced no fewer than six of the Azzurri’s Under-21 side at the recent European Championships.

That steady supply looks set to continue as many of the lower age group Italian teams are also filled with numerous Inter players including eight of the most recent Under-17 squad. “Our goal, set by Mourinho,” continued Paolillo, “is to make men of boys and then turn them into Champions.” It is an approach that the coach took little time to implement, immediately adding Davide Santon, Victor Obinna and Francesco Bolzoni to a squad already containing Mario Balotelli. Those three players made fewer than a combined 28 first team appearances in the 2008-09 season, while Balotelli made 31 starts, almost double the amount of the previous campaign under Mancini.

The following season, McDonald Mariga, Rene Krhin and Giulio Donati became first team players, adding 24 appearances to the 55 shared by Balotelli and Santon. Since then a further twelve youth products –including Joel Obi, Felice Natalino and Davide Faraoni have progressed to the first team, making a combined total of 110 appearances for the Nerazzurri. While many of these players quickly move on, they have made the youth sector entirely self-sufficient, with the cost of running the academy offset by the sale of players it developed. Over the past six years, the running costs totalled €36 million while a staggering €78m of income – including the €22m paid by Manchester City for Balotelli – earned the club a profit of just under €42m from its youth operation.

That puts them in stark contrast to many of Italian football’s other top club’s where perhaps only Roma and Juventus operate similar practices. Milan and Lazio have finally begun to follow suit after years of neglecting their own youth sectors in similar fashion to Chelsea, where investment in youth football was run almost as a separate concern to the first team. Now, with Mourinho determined to implement a similar see change strategy at Stamford Bridge, the West London club are set to reap similar benefits to those seen at Inter.

Much like the Nerazzurri, they will still invest heavily in top class players – links to the likes of Stevan Jovetić and Edinson Cavani this summer proved they have lost none of their appetite for spending – but that will be balanced by the presence of more academy graduates joining Ryan Bertrand in the first team squad. The coach will certainly not rely on these players, we certainly won’t see five or six starting games together, but – as the analysis of Inter’s youth system shows – he does far more than pay lip service to the notion.

That is in stark contrast to many of his peers and seeing the England squad crash out of the U-21 European Championships earlier this summer merely served to highlight the need for an increased commitment to football at that level. If that is led by Mourinho, others would surely follow suit and his stature in Britain would grow further still. Much like with the Milanese club, seeing the England youth teams flooded with Chelsea players would certainly make others sit up and take note. That would certainly make a legacy worthy of a truly special one.
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Mainoldo said:
In the past 10 years after numerous managers.. I can't remember a decent youth player coming out of Chelsea. So it's not just Mourinho.
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Maybe but it's undeniable that his record is very poor.
 
19 top players snd 4 youth team players? Hardly a big investment in Youth is it - by that reckoning we would keep 4 players from CBJ, Rashford, Lingard, Pereira, Januzaj, Fosu-Mensah, Riley, Weir and others who might break through like Tuanzebe
 
buckooo1978 said:
19 top players snd 4 youth team players? Hardly a big investment in Youth is it - by that reckoning we would keep 4 players from CBJ, Rashford, Lingard, Pereira, Januzaj, Fosu-Mensah, Riley, Weir and others who might break through like Tuanzebe
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At least 7 out of those 9 names will not go past bit part player level for United. Class of 90 not happening again, our youth has been overrated for a long time (our bestest everest in recent times: fletcher, owshit, welbeckie and clevzzaaa). Rashford will probably have a future with us, fosu mensah has attributes, outside chance Pereira but history and odds tell that here will be a culling, a disappointment, among those early 'real deals' as well. O'shea was a superstar on the caf, rednews and a crowd favorite in his first season where people believed he was an amazing footballer who could play everywhere on the picth and nutmegged Figo in the CL.
 
buckooo1978 said:
19 top players snd 4 youth team players? Hardly a big investment in Youth is it - by that reckoning we would keep 4 players from CBJ, Rashford, Lingard, Pereira, Januzaj, Fosu-Mensah, Riley, Weir and others who might break through like Tuanzebe
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There are at least 19 senior players in the current United squad. 4 players from the academy who are genuine members of the first team squad (not just brought in when everyone is injured) is a good investment in youth.
 
Adisa said:
Maybe but it's undeniable that his record is very poor.
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At Chelsea and Real Madrid, instant success was the only option, otherwise the season would have been considered a failure.

Also, the article states that Mourinho was given full control of the youth setup and total freedom of the 1st team squad selection - this would almost certainly not have been the case at Real or Chelsea.

Inter Milan was the only club, other than Porto, where he might have been given the patience from the president to introduce youth players in the first team frame, in fact it seemed like it was encouraged at Inter, as it would be here.

He will, I imagine, be given this patience and freedom of control to implement such a system at United.
 
Am I missing something with that article? How does it make a 'myth' out of the idea of his woeful record with youth?

The big "selling point", aside from Balotelli for some reason, seems to be the money clubs make from 'his' academies, which he wouldn't be in control of in the first place.
 
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unitedbhoy said:
At Chelsea and Real Madrid, instant success was the only option, otherwise the season would have been considered a failure.

Also, the article states that Mourinho was given full control of the youth setup and total freedom of the 1st team squad selection - this would almost certainly not have been the case at Real or Chelsea.

Inter Milan was the only club, other than Porto, where he might have been given the patience from the president to introduce youth players in the first team frame, in fact it seemed like it was encouraged at Inter, as it would be here.

He will, I imagine, be given this patience and freedom of control to implement such a system at United.
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Exactly, if Mourinho's remit at Chelsea and Madrid had been instant success with any amount of money to achieve it then why would he risk his employment by focusing on youth. His job required him to be successful by signing the best players in the world.

I am sure United can include clauses to ensure the youth set up gets sufficient attention.
 
Kevin said:
At least 7 out of those 9 names will not go past bit part player level for United. Class of 90 not happening again, our youth has been overrated for a long time (our bestest everest in recent times: fletcher, owshit, welbeckie and clevzzaaa). Rashford will probably have a future with us, fosu mensah has attributes, outside chance Pereira but history and odds tell that here will be a culling, a disappointment, among those early 'real deals' as well. O'shea was a superstar on the caf, rednews and a crowd favorite in his first season where people believed he was an amazing footballer who could play everywhere on the picth and nutmegged Figo in the CL.
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You are totally underrating the contribution of players like O Shea, Brown, Phil Neville, Butt, Fletcher, Welbeck etc...all very important in our success

If we got 4/5 good squad players out of the ones I mentioned that would be a great success

Who knows how they will progress though....
 
unitedbhoy said:
At Chelsea and Real Madrid, instant success was the only option, otherwise the season would have been considered a failure.

Also, the article states that Mourinho was given full control of the youth setup and total freedom of the 1st team squad selection - this would almost certainly not have been the case at Real or Chelsea.

Inter Milan was the only club, other than Porto, where he might have been given the patience from the president to introduce youth players in the first team frame, in fact it seemed like it was encouraged at Inter, as it would be here.

He will, I imagine, be given this patience and freedom of control to implement such a system at United.
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He was given the remit to give youth players a chance in his second stint. He didn't even give them games against non league opposition. Despite promising to do so in his first press conference.
 
Adisa said:
He was given the remit to give youth players a chance in his second stint. He didn't even give them games against non league opposition. Despite promising to do so in his first press conference.
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Was he really given the remit in his second spell? Is there any evidence of this?

Chelsea have had nine different managers under Abramovich and none of them has brought through youth players. I can't think of a single Chelsea academy product that's risen to become a first-team regular since Abramovich took charge 13 years ago.

Why would Abramovich have suddenly changed the club's policy for Mourinho?
 
Step 1 and 2 are done i see :lol:. To bad you are not campaign managers of Trump,otherwise he would walk through next elections. Cant wait to see pictures of Rui Faria holding puppies or some shit like that.
 
NoPace said:
--------Martial------------ (Rooney, Rashford)
Memphis-------------RW- (Lingard, Mata, Young, Martial)
----Herrera---CM---------- (Schweinsteiger, Mata, Fellaini)
------Schneiderlin--------- (Blind, Carrick, Schweinsteiger)
Shaw------------Darmian (Blind, Rojo, Valencia, Varela)
------CB-Smalling-------- (Blind, Jones, Rojo)
--------De Gea----------- (Romero)

So, 3 with everyone staying completely healthy and nobody leaving would be the bare minimum I could see turning into a decent Mourinho counter-attacking side and winning a weak Prem.

But since we're likely to be in Europe, you probably have to add a winger and a CB to make it 5.
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Agree with most of this, but I think he will bring in more players, especially when you take into account the players he'll get rid of. We know his opinion of Mata. His treatment of Hazzard makes me think that he won't tolerate Memphis very long, however, I doubt the club will sell so soon. Also, he doesn't trust aging, past it players, that injury prone, so Carrick and Schweinsteiger will probably go too. Actually I don't think he tolerates injury prone players, even if they are younger, so Jones might be gone too. And finally Blind and McNair don't strike me as Mourino players - probably he will get rid too, but maybe not right away. Ironically Fellaini will probably be safe - Mou likes a physical, bullying presence in midfield. Same for Rooney - Mou likes a hard worker up front.

With this in mind, here is my take on next year squad:

-----------CF--------- (Rooney, Rashford)
Martial-------------RW- (Lingard, Young, Memphis)
-------CM----CM------ (Fellaini, Herrera, Perreira)
------Schneiderlin--------- (Blind)
Shaw------------Darmian (Blind, Rojo, Valencia, Varela, CBJ)
------CB-Smalling-------- (Rojo, TFM, McNair)
--------De Gea----------- (Romero)
CM
 
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