BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho

Would you be happy to see Jose Mourinho become next United manager?


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He is hyped. I saw debates from Redcafe to Sky Sports News debating whether or not he was better than Anthony Martial when we signed him, with posters on here declaring Wilson was the better talent.

He has proven nothing, injuries or not, he played a decent amount of first team football for us last season, and rarely impressed. That, of course, is okay - as he is still young and has time still, but the fact is, Rashford is also young, Martial is also young, nobody has stopped Wilson from having the sort of impact they had. This doesn't mean he should be written off of course, but I often see his name mentioned in debates that his name has no business being mentioned in, that's all. He was great for the reserves, but ultimately, that doesn't really matter in the long run. Many players, at many clubs, have been great in reserves and struggle to convert it. He isn't having the sort of Championship season Patrick Bamford had either while on loan, but people will likely say that isn't his fault for one reason or another. Same for Will Keane, who has been regularly unimpressive in the Championship, but I still see him spoken about as a long term United striker.

I am very supportive of United's young players on the whole, but not blindly. For them to have careers here, they need to show they can meet the standard. The likes of Januzaj, Rashford, CBJ have shown a Manchester United level in their first team appearances, so of course, one would rather allow them to occupy that space as opposed to signings. Wilson hasn't looked a United player in his time, for me. Again, not writing him off, but on what he's shown so far, he has no business in the squad. If and when he does, then it will be fantastic, and if he doesn't, he will, and should, be sold.

I know this is probably off topic now, just logged back in and responding to my mentions!

IMO van gaal sent Wilson out on loan because he thinks he is the real deal. He sat there next to him signing the contract before he sent him out on loan.
 
Evra - would do well with our growing contingent of French speakers. We'd probably look pretty good for Pogba as well.
 
I actually think keano under Mourinho would work quite well for us.

same.

My only concern is that Keano has similar traits to Faria. So Mou-Faria-Keane may be a bit overkill. Think can get worse only if we employ Ramsey Bolton as physio
 
same.

My only concern is that Keano has similar traits to Faria. So Mou-Faria-Keane may be overkill.


As similar as it may be , I hope it happens.
I miss seeing Keano at OT.

I can't see players slacking with him on the sidelines.
 
Quite a tricky situation.

Really, really want Champions League football next season, particularly under Mourinho as I think he'll transform us into one of the favourites, but getting Champions League football would require the type of upturn in form that could well be job saving.

Just have to hope our board aren't as stupid as would appear, because we should have sacked LVG and been on course for the title months ago.
 
IMO van gaal sent Wilson out on loan because he thinks he is the real deal. He sat there next to him signing the contract before he sent him out on loan.

He did the same with Tyler tbh. Wilson can't be the real deal because he 'just is' - he needs to take his chances like the rest.
 
As a player I can't imagine how motivated you'd be with someone like Patrice geeing you up before the game.. he'd be the perfect good cop to Mourinho's bad.
 
Having Vidic, Patrice, Keane, Scholes etc at the club would be very good. We lost so much experience in a short space of time that standards naturally slipped. Would be popular moves but can't see it happening. Maybe in a few years.
 
Keane - I don't think Keane would be very good at encouraging players to perform better. He'd just complain to them saying they suck. And that'll be the end of it.
Scholes - I don't think he'd be any good at management. He is arguably our most talented player in the last 2 decades, but just because you have divine skills, doesn't mean you know how to teach those to the next generation.
Vidic might be okay, though.
Evra - he could do well as a back room staff member/coach. Evra would've been perfect as our left back, to add experience to our squad. His issue was that he was told that Shaw would be our No.1 choice for LB, so he left. But Shaw has hardly ever played for us at LB, due to fitness/injury and the jury is still out on him. We still don't know if he will be able to play many games for us. Under Moyes though, our defenders just wanted to leave at any cost, which was a shame.

Personally, I'd let Jose bring in his own staff and get Giggs out. Giggs is clearly looking to take the job of any manager who manages us, which is not a good thing.
 
We'd have to be batshit crazy to let Keane back in the door. I have huge admiration for him in many ways, but he'll cause issues sooner or later, particularly when working with pampered players on a day to day basis.
 
I think Mourinho will take with him who ever he wants. I think the only big question now is what will happen to Giggs.
 
We'd have to be batshit crazy to let Keane back in the door. I have huge admiration for him in many ways, but he'll cause issues sooner or later, particularly when working with pampered players on a day to day basis.
Yes, and more importantly, he's no good at football management.

Not sure I'd want Vidic either. Last time he held an important position at the club, he deserted us.
 
Reckon Keane and Mourinho would be too combustible as a duo - in Bad Cob, Tyrant Cop kind of way. I'd rather someone with a more even keeled (or even borderline mild) personality to counterbalance José's high strung demeanor - because there are more ways to get through to the players than just putting the fear of god in them. Someone like a Solskjær (manager of Molde to assistant manager of United is an upgrade in my books; he won't be as independent, but the exposure could benefit his managerial career in top leagues after the Cardiff debacle) or Evra (has been mentioned before - for good reason too), or maybe even Van Nistelrooy - who managed Eindhoven's U17 team, and was the assistant to Hiddink (now Blind) for the Netherlands. Some question marks over the qualifications of the latter duo, but they seem intelligent in the way they speak about football in general (though perceptions can be deceiving I guess).
 
Evra is still playing isn't he? Don't think he'll retire this summer.

If I could choose I'd add Cantona to the list, although don't think he'll be up for it
 
I find it a bit peuliar that so many want Mourinho, instead of going the "United way", and stick with Giggs.
Go against Charlton and SAF, and pick someone outside the club.
BUT you still want to bring back legends with nothing to show for as a manager or coach.
Keane didn't do anything good as manager, Evra is still playing, Phil Neville has only been assistant, as far as i know, without any luck.
And what did Cantona do?

If we go for Mou, let him just pick who he wants, people he know, people with the same philosophy (sorry) as him.
Either we go all in for Mourinho and his ways, or we might aswell just let Giggs get the job and let his mates join him.
 
I find it a bit peuliar that so many want Mourinho, instead of going the "United way", and stick with Giggs.
Go against Charlton and SAF, and pick someone outside the club.
BUT you still want to bring back legends with nothing to show for as a manager or coach.
Keane didn't do anything good as manager, Evra is still playing, Phil Neville has only been assistant, as far as i know, without any luck.
And what did Cantona do?

If we go for Mou, let him just pick who he wants, people he know, people with the same philosophy (sorry) as him.
Either we go all in for Mourinho and his ways, or we might aswell just let Giggs get the job and let his mates join him.

:drool:
 
Keane's not really done anything in his management career that points to him being good enough for a top club has he? But yeah, he shouldn't be anywhere near us from a management perspective for me.
 
I find it a bit peuliar that so many want Mourinho, instead of going the "United way", and stick with Giggs.
Go against Charlton and SAF, and pick someone outside the club.
BUT you still want to bring back legends with nothing to show for as a manager or coach.
Keane didn't do anything good as manager, Evra is still playing, Phil Neville has only been assistant, as far as i know, without any luck.
And what did Cantona do?

If we go for Mou, let him just pick who he wants, people he know, people with the same philosophy (sorry) as him.
Either we go all in for Mourinho and his ways, or we might aswell just let Giggs get the job and let his mates join him.
Big-name managers often hire a local hero, or at least someone with local knowledge, when they join a club. I don't think there's any inconsistency here to be honest, it might help Mourinho to have a club legend alongside him while he settles in. This isn't about people being romantic for romanticism's sake.
 
Keane's not really done anything in his management career that points to him being good enough for a top club has he? But yeah, he shouldn't be anywhere near us from a management perspective for me.

Due to scattergun sackings it's very difficult now to get a manager or assistant who isn't in some way tarnished. It's the reality of managerial life.

Plenty of folk want Pochettino(including myslef) but he was sacked by Espanyol.

I think it's really difficult to judge who is and isn't capable as a manager.
 
Funnily enough Terry was a massive United fan growing up.

He was allegedly very close to signing for United when Chelsea were in big financial trouble just before Abramovich bought (and subsequently saved) the club.

Him and Ferdinand would have been an incredible partnership. But if we'd signed him, it's highly unlikely that we'd have bought Vidic.

It all worked out for the best really :)

And Moscow 2008 would never happen without Terry slipping!
 
Due to scattergun sackings it's very difficult now to get a manager or assistant who isn't in some way tarnished. It's the reality of managerial life.

Plenty of folk want Pochettino(including myslef) but he was sacked by Espanyol.

I think it's really difficult to judge who is and isn't capable as a manager.

Well Pochettino has shown enough in recent years to mitigate his sacking at Espanyol. Keane had a promotion from the Championship and nothing else that he can use as evidence of his managerial ability. It's difficult to judge of course, but prior success has to be the main determiner.
 
Well Pochettino has shown enough in recent years to mitigate his sacking at Espanyol. Keane had a promotion from the Championship and nothing else that he can use as evidence of his managerial ability. It's difficult to judge of course, but prior success has to be the main determiner.

True and I agree. I just think there's a lot of timing and luck involved with managers. Pochettino got sacked by Espanyol after arguably doing less than Keane but landed a sweet job at Southampton. Keane got harshly sacked(Championship manager of the year, sacked 12 month later) and had to drop down a division to Ipswich.

The manager role is so messed up that it's very difficult to judge. Guardiola is probably recognised by most as the best manager around but I don't think it's inconceivable that he'll end up getting sacked by City.
 
Carlos Queiroz would be nice. A calming presence who knows his stuff, he's Portuguese and can act as bridge between the sceptical football directors and mou
 
Yes, and more importantly, he's no good at football management.

Not sure I'd want Vidic either. Last time he held an important position at the club, he deserted us.

Where does this nonsense come from.

Because we became shit he should have stayed forever, his contract ended and he left.

Yeah he announced he was leaving half way through the season so fecking what. Schmeichel did the same did he ''desert'' us as well.
 
What is this Oceans Eleven style ex playing staff everyone is cracking one off over?

Any substance or just ramshackle bollocks?
 
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