BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho

Would you be happy to see Jose Mourinho become next United manager?


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This has been done to death and the general consensus seems to be 3-4, not including if DDG goes.
Sorry I haven't followed this thread much apart from a couple of bits here and there.
My belief is he will be gone under LVG but if he saw some ambition by appointing Mourinho, I'll squint all summer hoping I hear nothing about him leaving
Yeah I can see Mourinho convincing him to stay. I think you'll be far more likely to win things and thus a more attractive outfit under Mourinho, so it'll be easier to convince De Gea to stay where he is.
 
Sorry I haven't followed this thread much apart from a couple of bits here and there.

Didn't mean it like that.
Here's some of the threads that it's been discussed in (there's probably more) :)

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/we-...the-highest-level.413884/page-8#post-18943677
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/what-do-we-still-need-post-summer-2015-edition.409378/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/5-p...yers-to-fill-them.414249/page-4#post-18860972

I'm sure there was one that was specifically titled something like 'How many players do we need?' but I couldn't find it.
 
"Secondly, this all sounds such a bizarre set-up that it's hard to imagine how it could have been invented."

There's not a whole lot of logic in the assumption that something must be true because it sounds so bizarre

Well they do say fact is stranger than fiction.
 
Centre Back
Centre Mid
Two wingers
Harry Kane
And a Goalkeeper if De Gea goes


Kane is a pipe dream. With the money coming in next season, even someone like Levy wont be tempted by Kane money when he thinks he will be able to win the league. Our strikers next year will either be foreign or kids... and knowing Mourinho...
 
Centre Back
He wanted Stones when he was at Chelsea.
Centre Mid
I think he could go for a player like Kante or Matuidi... even Barkley as No.10 being his Lampard.
Two wingers
I cannot see him signing teenagers like Dembele or Sane, he could go for a player like Mane.
Harry Kane
Kane would be great. But he normally signs experienced target strikers, so I guess he would target a player like Cavani/Ibrahimovic.
And a Goalkeeper if De Gea goes

I hope he gives opportunities to young players like Rashford, Pereira, CBJ, Fosu-Mensah, Januzaj, etc. Also, that he target some young talents such as Neves, Sanches, Dembele, Sane, Embolo.
I can see Mourinho signing at least one player represented by Jorge Mendes.
 
Out of interest how many players do you all think Mourinho needs to bring in to get United competing for the league next year? No doubt he'll have a good amount of money available to spend.


--------Martial------------ (Rooney, Rashford)
Memphis-------------RW- (Lingard, Mata, Young, Martial)
----Herrera---CM---------- (Schweinsteiger, Mata, Fellaini)
------Schneiderlin--------- (Blind, Carrick, Schweinsteiger)
Shaw------------Darmian (Blind, Rojo, Valencia, Varela)
------CB-Smalling-------- (Blind, Jones, Rojo)
--------De Gea----------- (Romero)

So, 3 with everyone staying completely healthy and nobody leaving would be the bare minimum I could see turning into a decent Mourinho counter-attacking side and winning a weak Prem.

But since we're likely to be in Europe, you probably have to add a winger and a CB to make it 5.
 
But will he have a role?
I hope not. Would be a big mistake. Giggs needs to go and implement what he's learnt anyway. He'll be wasting time which he should use to start his career in management.

Most importantly, it would be a disaster imho. The moment Giggs' mates open their mouths - there'll be war and drama between Jose and Giggs behind the scenes - which will affect the team. Rightly or wrongly, Jose would not be able to trust him - and the situation would end in disaster. So, if I were Jose/Mendes, I would insist that Giggs is not a part of the team.
 
--------Martial------------ (Rooney, Rashford)
Memphis-------------RW- (Lingard, Mata, Young, Martial)
----Herrera---CM---------- (Schweinsteiger, Mata, Fellaini)
------Schneiderlin--------- (Blind, Carrick, Schweinsteiger)
Shaw------------Darmian (Blind, Rojo, Valencia, Varela)
------CB-Smalling-------- (Blind, Jones, Rojo)
--------De Gea----------- (Romero)

So, 3 with everyone staying completely healthy and nobody leaving would be the bare minimum I could see turning into a decent Mourinho counter-attacking side and winning a weak Prem.

But since we're likely to be in Europe, you probably have to add a winger and a CB to make it 5.
I agree with the positions. However, I can see him signing also a target striker.

Do you think he will play 433 instead of 4231?
 
Hate to see this thread go the Thiago thread way. While it's entirely possible that Mourinho may become our manager next season, it seems far fetched to have this pre contract nonsense.
 
But will he have a role?
Got a feeling he'll be academy bound. It is an important fixture in our setup and it looks to me they have been trying to set it up independent of the first team. Then again, he could just remain assistant and I'd have no qualms.
 
Sorry, but i just have to ask how you can say Wilson is less talented?

The guy is lethal and have a fantastic drive with the ball. Him being out on loan doesn't mean he is less talented than Rashford.
I hope you're right. It would be great if Wilson made it at OT. But the fact that Rashford, who's two years younger, has already jumped ahead of him suggests otherwise.
 
I'm confident Van Gaal and Woodward agreed some time ago that Van Gaal would leave "by mutual consent" at the end of the season, whatever happens. That allows him to walk away with his head held high, while we can replace him with Mourinho, or another candidate, whether we turned our season around or not. The way I see it, this season has been a failure whether we qualify for the CL next season or not, and Van Gaal must know that. This season might have been acceptable last season, but this season we needed evidence of progress, and we have not seen that. We are nowhere near being ready to challenge for the PL next season, and this too, I suspect, Van Gaal (and Woodward) know perfectly well. I think it would have been easy for Woodward and Van Gaal to reach a compromise on that score: stick by him now (we apparently never had an option that was clearly better than this anyway, or else I think Mourinho would already be here) in return for leaving quietly at the time when it was most convenient for his replacement to come in.

On this pre contract I really dont see what all the fuss is about, like Woodward is some sort of idiot for spending money on an asset he may never buy. People need to try and get their heads around the fact that we bought an option, not a manager, and there is really nothing that unusual about that, certainly not outside football. People acknowledge Mourinho is a very special manager, whether you like him, or want him at the club, or not. So it shouldnt be hard to see why having an option on him makes sense - people have recognised what a disaster it would be if he grew tired of waiting and walked away, this prevents that from happening. What it does show is that the talk of our ambivalence towards him is not just hollow paper-talk, if we are spending that kind of money on an option it means there is still some doubt whether we will take him on. To tie this back to the first para, I dont think that indecision relates to whether or not we keep Van Gaal, but whether anyone opposing his appointment can come up with a better suggestion. Maybe people have been working on Pochettino or some other less obvious candidate in the background.

This is a leap, obviously: looking at the facts, it is just as likely that we are considering keeping Van Gaal (if he achieves some benchmark), but I refuse to believe the club has so little ambition, or so much baseless faith, as to trust a manager who has made so little progress in 2 years. I think we were happy to hedge our bets with the option on Mourinho because ultimately we felt reasonably sure we would go that route anyway, so it wouldnt end up costing much (or anything, depending on the precise nature of the contract), but it allowed certain people to work on another option which, if it materialised, would also be good for the club. In the context of what the club would be spending on any half decent player, a few million on an option for Mourinho is great value IMO. Woodward has not been perfect by any means, in some ways his performance has been worryingly incoherent, but I have no criticism about this deal if it was necessary to keep certain people onside or if there is a realistic chance of finding an even better (or arguably better) alternative.
 
Has the club really declined to comment on these recent stories or is it just Twitter bollocks!

If they have that fills me with confidence as usually they are quick to deny such things.
 
Has Mou been spotted in the stands for any of our games recently ?

Don't think he would come to any of our games, Just for the hysteria it would cause with the press. I'm sure he is watching every game though in the 'chance' he gets the job (I say chance in brackets because i'm still convinced that LVG \ Giggs will be manager next season).
 
Hate to see this thread go the Thiago thread way. While it's entirely possible that Mourinho may become our manager next season, it seems far fetched to have this pre contract nonsense.

Pre-contracts are pretty common. If they weren't you'd see more deals fail at the "subject to personal terms" phase. Pre-contracts with non-completion penalties are rarer, but they've certainly happened, and this is one of those occasions when it could make sense.
 
Don't think he would come to any of our games, Just for the hysteria it would cause with the press. I'm sure he is watching every game though in the 'chance' he gets the job (I say chance in brackets because i'm still convinced that LVG \ Giggs will be manager next season).

He should start coming to our U21 matches, it would be hilarious.
 
Mou has too much respect towards LVG to just show up in one of our games. That's something people are underestimated. LVG may be obsolete but he's the don of continental football. If I was a player/coach who had backstabbed him then I would be shitting in my pants at the moment. Mou would surely set things right just as LVG did the same with those who defied Moyes
 
Rumours today that Arsenal are ready to pounce should United dither in signing him.
 
I think there's a good chance that Mourinho could come in and drag us back up the table. I wouldn't go as far as to say anything daft like he'd guarantee us a title, but we'd likely be a lot closer to it. Although I'd have two major concerns about it:

1) I think his downfall at Chelsea came because he really started buying into his own hype. To the extent where the arrogance really started to backfire on him. The Eva Carneiro business is the most obvious example of that, but then you could almost see certain players (Hazard being the key example) losing faith in him. Is that a momentary blip, or something to be really worried about? As a side note to this point, I'd argue that signing Falcao was almost an early sign of his "I'm fantastic and can do anything" attitude. Wouldn't surprise me one bit if at some point this season Jose bellowed "the laws of football are mine and they will obey me."

2) Jose is absolutely useless at developing youth. I'm fully aware that the United board probably couldn't give a damn about this if it means winning trophies, but it's something that really matters to me as part of the club's history and culture. That record of having at least one academy graduate on the bench since 1937 is fantastic, and there's just something brilliant about seeing a player come up through the youth ranks to make a name for himself. Maybe I'm just sentimental, and maybe the Class of '92 has romanticised the idea somewhat, but I hate the idea of Mourinho coming in and ending that record, and losing out on those youth players coming into the team.

The one thing that's gone well for Van Gaal (albeit as a result of being forced to play them due to injuries and selling half the squad) is the youth players in the team. Varela is probably our first-choice rightback now, on merit. Cameron Borthwick-Jackson has done well at leftback when he's played - very good crosser of the ball. Rashford is going to win the 2018 World Cup single-handedly. Really the only one that hasn't done very well when called up has been Donald Love, but you can't win them all.

I really don't think there's a choice to be made between playing young players and winning things, but I worry that Mourinho might make that choice anyway. I don't think those young players I've mentioned are good enough to win trophies yet, but I think the answer to that is getting rid of some of those lesser first-team players, bringing in quality to replace them, and having the young players as the back-ups to those quality players.
 
I'd like to see Jose come in and do exactly what he did when he went back to Chelsea. Spot what the team needs and fill those positions with top level players, much like he did Fabregas, Costa and I'm sure there was someone else... (I know it sounds obvious but that's exactly what we need). Bring in a new spine. .. CB, CM and CF and I'm Sure we would close to competing for titles again.
 
Rumours today that Arsenal are ready to pounce should United dither in signing him.
I'd like to think if there's a pre-contract signed, there will likewise be a clause in it stating if he goes somewhere else he has to pay us - just as there's the rumoured fees we'd have to pay if we don't offer one
Don't see him at arsenal at all though
 
I'd like to see Jose come in and do exactly what he did when he went back to Chelsea. Spot what the team needs and fill those positions with top level players, much like he did Fabregas, Costa and I'm sure there was someone else... (I know it sounds obvious but that's exactly what we need). Bring in a new spine. .. CB, CM and CF and I'm Sure we would close to competing for titles again.


Felipe Luis?
 
I'd like to see Jose come in and do exactly what he did when he went back to Chelsea. Spot what the team needs and fill those positions with top level players, much like he did Fabregas, Costa and I'm sure there was someone else... (I know it sounds obvious but that's exactly what we need). Bring in a new spine. .. CB, CM and CF and I'm Sure we would close to competing for titles again.
Matic in the first January window.
 
Wenger will eventually claim that he could've signed Mourinho.
 
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