I can't believe these prices. I know they were a while ago but the quality there for those prices, compared to what we get and spend, is sickening.
BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho
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I can't believe these prices. I know they were a while ago but the quality there for those prices, compared to what we get and spend, is sickening.
Indeed.
And we'd be hearing many stories of Jose meeting club officials of various clubs.
There is none of this.
We had the story of the meeting with Inter Milan and also Real. And us.
Apart from this it was relatively quiet and now he is saying that he is going to be joining his new club in July.
I think its a done deal.
Modric
ADM
Ozil
Zouma
Costa
Fabregas
Willian
These were all bargains for what they were when purchased.
I should rest because you told me to? Van Gaal has consistently been hired in his career when clubs need to rebuild. That my sir is certain.
Now you call us a successful side. The same side that lost the title to city & one player in RVP changed that for us. You assume that when a a new manager takes over with even a older squad that he should somehow do better or a decent job similar to what SAF was capable of?
LVG was bought here build foundations in my eyes before we went down the route of struggling under different managers. We have struggled under 2 & the fact that SAF the best manager of all time won things with a squad does not prove to me or anyone that we had a particularly strong squad that any mediocre manager could take us to the success the likes of you crave.
It explains why lvg
A) wasn't fired initially during a sticky period
B) said that this seasons squad was representitve of his side which has had plenty of more youngsters
C) why giggs sits next to him (someone who manages or not will be around to view the club for the seats)
You are representitve of the same supporters at Barcelona and at Bayern Munich that only see his benefits now when those 2 clubs went from a tough period to a period of undeniable success.
I thought guardiola would come ; purely because it would have been an easier job for him to take. I was wrong and suddenly I'm wrong about everything?
Mourinho will come here and unless he has his own agenda where he sells all our kids and buys a whole squad in their prime..it's is completely and utterly idiotic to think the kids would not have learnt shit all under van gaal that will be beneficial no matter who the manager is.
Do you think footballers are apes? That they have such a short memory that after spending 2 years learning possession football that they will suddenly forget how to retain possession?
Managers , players , CEO, directors & fans have explained why LVG is not a regular manager. The reason he doesn't get off his seat is clear. The reason he used the 352 straight after the world cup was clear; infact us being able to switch formations in to different line ups is a benefit that can also be taken to the future.
Shaw,Memphis,martial,lingard,rashford,Mcnair,Fosu mensah, CBJ and countless others will have benefited from this period so then don't tell me if we end up as successful as Bayern & Barca with 'scatterings' of this players spread across players we buy and some which enter a prime..that lvg is a forgotten man.
That is utter nonsense. If guardiola's presence is felt at Barcelona under Enrique then it is just to sleep calmly that you think LVG will have no presence in the future.
BTW - though the tactics change, the methodology of how LVG works has stayed at most of his clubs.
I'm not making this up and it becomes very obvious to see why someone like Mourinho will add the things that makes him a very good manager in to the mix of van gaals' methodology right down to the youth.Il give it a rest now.
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And here we are paying over the odds for the level below. ADM aside of course, because he's not the level below himself. Was massively over the odds though. And he was shit so technically he was a level below himself. Rubbish.
Wow! 
I should rest because you told me to? Van Gaal has consistently been hired in his career when clubs need to rebuild. That my sir is certain.
Now you call us a successful side. The same side that lost the title to city & one player in RVP changed that for us. You assume that when a a new manager takes over with even a older squad that he should somehow do better or a decent job similar to what SAF was capable of?
LVG was bought here build foundations in my eyes before we went down the route of struggling under different managers. We have struggled under 2 & the fact that SAF the best manager of all time won things with a squad does not prove to me or anyone that we had a particularly strong squad that any mediocre manager could take us to the success the likes of you crave.
It explains why lvg
A) wasn't fired initially during a sticky period
B) said that this seasons squad was representitve of his side which has had plenty of more youngsters
C) why giggs sits next to him (someone who manages or not will be around to view the club for the seats)
You are representitve of the same supporters at Barcelona and at Bayern Munich that only see his benefits now when those 2 clubs went from a tough period to a period of undeniable success.
I thought guardiola would come ; purely because it would have been an easier job for him to take. I was wrong and suddenly I'm wrong about everything?
Mourinho will come here and unless he has his own agenda where he sells all our kids and buys a whole squad in their prime..it's is completely and utterly idiotic to think the kids would not have learnt shit all under van gaal that will be beneficial no matter who the manager is.
Do you think footballers are apes? That they have such a short memory that after spending 2 years learning possession football that they will suddenly forget how to retain possession?
Managers , players , CEO, directors & fans have explained why LVG is not a regular manager. The reason he doesn't get off his seat is clear. The reason he used the 352 straight after the world cup was clear; infact us being able to switch formations in to different line ups is a benefit that can also be taken to the future.
Shaw,Memphis,martial,lingard,rashford,Mcnair,Fosu mensah, CBJ and countless others will have benefited from this period so then don't tell me if we end up as successful as Bayern & Barca with 'scatterings' of this players spread across players we buy and some which enter a prime..that lvg is a forgotten man.
That is utter nonsense. If guardiola's presence is felt at Barcelona under Enrique then it is just to sleep calmly that you think LVG will have no presence in the future.
BTW - though the tactics change, the methodology of how LVG works has stayed at most of his clubs.
Il give it a rest now.
Whilst I think you make some decent points, it all falls down when you actually watch the team and realize that they are not actually very good in possession, especially when pressed.
Also LVG was brought in to challenge for the UCL within 3 years, with his track record of winning everywhere he has been.
If that is then case somebody should whisper it in the player's ears.
It may imbue them with some kind of fighting spirit if they know that a man is coming......and he may be given lots of money to spend and a big broom to wield.
Yeah that's true, he himself said we would be challenging for the title in his second year and challenging for the CL in his third. Doesn't look like thats happening any time soon with LVG in charge unfortunately.
This is true. I think Santiago is eloquently describing the theory behind the appoinment of LvG and that LvG is manfully sticking to a formula that he has seen bear fruit in the past. And yes there may be some benefit, as yet unrealised, to his apparently strange machinations. There is a part of me that, when I remember the long leash that Fergie was given in the early years, actually sympathises with LvG in his quest. But in this day and age such patience is not something that an incoming manager can depend upon. My main concerns about LvG is his age. I think the role need to be given to someone slightly younger. But I do agree with some on here that a DOF type post for LvG may not be that bad an idea. I think that some of his work warrants merit....it just isn't manifesting itself in performances right now.
Your biggest defense of LvG is his help towards the youth..I should rest because you told me to? Van Gaal has consistently been hired in his career when clubs need to rebuild. That my sir is certain.
Now you call us a successful side. The same side that lost the title to city & one player in RVP changed that for us. You assume that when a a new manager takes over with even a older squad that he should somehow do better or a decent job similar to what SAF was capable of?
LVG was bought here build foundations in my eyes before we went down the route of struggling under different managers. We have struggled under 2 & the fact that SAF the best manager of all time won things with a squad does not prove to me or anyone that we had a particularly strong squad that any mediocre manager could take us to the success the likes of you crave.
It explains why lvg
A) wasn't fired initially during a sticky period
B) said that this seasons squad was representitve of his side which has had plenty of more youngsters
C) why giggs sits next to him (someone who manages or not will be around to view the club for the seats)
You are representitve of the same supporters at Barcelona and at Bayern Munich that only see his benefits now when those 2 clubs went from a tough period to a period of undeniable success.
I thought guardiola would come ; purely because it would have been an easier job for him to take. I was wrong and suddenly I'm wrong about everything?
Mourinho will come here and unless he has his own agenda where he sells all our kids and buys a whole squad in their prime..it's is completely and utterly idiotic to think the kids would not have learnt shit all under van gaal that will be beneficial no matter who the manager is.
Do you think footballers are apes? That they have such a short memory that after spending 2 years learning possession football that they will suddenly forget how to retain possession?
Managers , players , CEO, directors & fans have explained why LVG is not a regular manager. The reason he doesn't get off his seat is clear. The reason he used the 352 straight after the world cup was clear; infact us being able to switch formations in to different line ups is a benefit that can also be taken to the future.
Shaw,Memphis,martial,lingard,rashford,Mcnair,Fosu mensah, CBJ and countless others will have benefited from this period so then don't tell me if we end up as successful as Bayern & Barca with 'scatterings' of this players spread across players we buy and some which enter a prime..that lvg is a forgotten man.
That is utter nonsense. If guardiola's presence is felt at Barcelona under Enrique then it is just to sleep calmly that you think LVG will have no presence in the future.
BTW - though the tactics change, the methodology of how LVG works has stayed at most of his clubs.
Il give it a rest now.
You do realize you would never have heard of Rashford, for example, had it not been for injuries to Rooney, Martial and even Fellaini at the time?!
He only plays them in the first place because he has had to.
And he is hardly above buying players in their prime ahead of them. He got di Maria and Falcao and sold youth products Welbeck and Cleverley for peanuts.
He was hired to win us the league. He failed and will continue to fail. He has left dick all to the next manager. It will just be another rebuild thanks to him (and Moyes)
I dunno. I think we were very adept at picking off players from teams below us and consolidating already strong sides that way. And at the time we were quite big spenders relative to the rest of the league. But I take your point.
No, it wouldn't be satisfactory in purely footballing terms but in terms of the commercial side of things/budgeting etc. I think a CL finish with a bit of a challenge every so often would be acceptable in the short-medium term. If we got
Fair points. My original comparison was only really to the point that they both like attacking football, with quite often young, exciting players who are willing - and more importantly allowed - to take risks. You're quite right in that they don't play identical football but the overall ethos and spirit of what they try to do is pretty similar, IMHO.
As to the throwing away a lead point, I think that might be a little harsh. That team are at the stage of their development where that stuff can happen. I'm not sure it's a Pochettino thing so much as it's a sign that he's got young players who are learning and, just as importantly, there's an argument he has players playing out of their skin who have traditionally thrown in those mistakes with greater frequency, so they seem to be on the right path.
Not sure I'd agree about the Jose/Fergie similarities in terms of style of football, but certainly they're peas in a pod when it comes to their overall mentality and ability (and in the latter years Fergie would occasionally wait for games to come to us rather than going out and taking it by the scruff of the neck).
I don't think thats the case.
We need 1/2 first teamers and another 1/2 squad players (pushing for first team). But we don't need another rebuild at all. The best thing the club could do imo is limit the amount of sales in the Summer and instead focus on trying to keep a settled squad.
We just need some leadership and organisation.
Agreed. This squad is not as bad as its being made out to be. One striker for more depth is the biggest requirement however in most other positions we have players that could be playing alot better given a better manager, tactics and style of play.
I think Ferguson and Mourinho could even have won the league with this current squad this season.
Fergusons not coming back so we should be going all out for Mourinho. I see no other person in the world that will come in next season and challenge for the title immediately.
I'm still firmly placing my belief in Di Marzio.
He's really stuck his neck out pretty far on all things Mourinho to this point, so if he's wrong, it will damage his reputation quite a bit.
He's seemed pretty damn confident, so I am too.
He's really stuck his neck out pretty far on all things Mourinho to this point, so if he's wrong, it will damage his reputation quite a bit.
He's seemed pretty damn confident, so I am too.
So who should be playing RW and who should partner Smalling at CB?
My choice for left centre back would be Rojo. I dislike him playing at left back but think he can be a solid enough centreback and does better on the ball from that position plus hes more mobile and athletic than Blind.
There isn't an outstanding world class right winger at the club right now and I would love it if Di Maria had worked out under LVG however now that ship has sailed I dont see why we can't have Young on the left and Depay turned into a right winger. Or vice versa. Always Januzaj who can be moulded too. I think Fergie could have developed Januzaj and Depay into better players than theyre showing at the moment. I think Mourinho could do that too. Not guaranteed but I'd fancy his chances over any other available managers chances.
You can say that again
Lol. Typo/freudian slip....
I dont really like Mourinho that much, but he's way way way better than LvG who will slowly transform us into a midtable side. The only think LvG has on Mourinho is playing more youth, not being a huge dick and a bit more attacking in top matches, with Mourinho we could become a force again and then get a more long term manager.
Seriously you want to challenge for the title with Ashley Young (who had such an amazing season last year with 4 assists) playing in one of your most important attacking positions....
To build another potential title winning team, I think we need much more than that. Unless the 2 first teamers you mention are Messi and Ronaldo.
I think a lot of players will be better when LvG finally goes, but I also think we'll be a long way behind at least 4 or 5 teams next season without serious injection
Edit: Keep in mind that De Gea will almost certainly join Real Madrid this year too
Nah I don't believe that at all. We need serious competition for Rooney as striker, we 100% need a first choice right winger, we could also do with a CB and I think we need a destroyer type midfielder. If we got those four and keep most of the current squad I think we'll be fine. Most of our players have seriously under performed this year but its not a serious rebuild, far from it imo. We just need to plug the gaps.
Well okay, if we signed those 4 then I agree. I would call that a serious injection though.
Well, make it 5 when DDG leaves.
The "One or two starters" you said from your first post wouldn't cut it though
My biggest fear right now, probably in every aspect of my life, is that we stick by LVG and don't have Jose in for August. I have literally no idea how I would handle that news.
He was just on BT Sport. Said something about that he misses football but July is close and he will be back...then says he doesn't know where.
Pretty sure he is a done deal.
Pretty sure he is a done deal.
I was pretty sure until I read what Robson and Yorke have said.
they won't have any greater idea than the likes of Irwin when confidently stating we were buying Ronaldo and Fabregas.
The press have really eased down with the whole Giggs routine now.
It'd be too mental even for us to pass up Mourinho this time.
Roll on about 8 weeks time when this is all surely put to bed either way.
I'm probably wrong as always, but I think the more noise either side is making, the less likely it is they think they can get the job. It looks to me like people in the Giggs camp have been ringing around this week. Mourinho, by contrast, seems pretty relaxed about the whole thing, so if I was a gambling man I'd put a few quid on him (albeit I suspect even if we've broadly agreed something, it could still change).
Missed what they said.. Could you recap?! Thanks.
I think it's just the Giggs camp trying to make some noise as nothing is happening and any talk of Giggs isn't really being talked about in the press as it is turning into a open secret with Mourinho coming here. A bit like Guardiola to City a while ago.
If Mourinho wasn't getting the United job then I think Mendes would put an end to the links as it makes him look bad to get passed over again. Especially for Moyes and Giggs. He would have him being linked with other clubs instead
Irwin was right though, we did go after Fabregas.
Anyway, I'd say they have a very good knowledge of what is going on inside United. We are quick to believe outsiders when they say it will be Mourinho, but don't believe when someone from the club comes out and champions Giggs.
Well if that's the case, then Moureen isn't a done deal.
Yorke said Giggs is the only man for the job and he is the new Guardiola and the time of Big Sam is over etc etc.
Forgot exactly, but Robson said Giggs is ready for United now etc... It is in the thread a few pages back.
Buying him, not just interested.
The likes of Robson and Yorke might be ambassadors, but they won't know any better than the press or anyone.
The whole situation is super awkward though.
Giggs must really wonder what's going to happen.
True, but Mourinho may be relaxed as his attention might be somewhere else? You never know.
I don't believe that for one minute, I'd have thought they would know a lot more than the press.
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