BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho

Would you be happy to see Jose Mourinho become next United manager?

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stevoc said:
Was that really the case though?

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http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...nited-job-with-welcome-from-Sir-Alex-Ferguson

He was pictured entering Carrington with Ferguson and for some reason Albert Morgan shortly after it was made official he was taking over in May.

No doubt his contract with Everton ran until the end of June, but then wasn't Mourinho still under contract at Real when he started work early at Chelsea in 2013?
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http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-F...-united-appoints-new-manager-david-moyes.aspx

He 'took the helm' on 1 July, that being the day after his Everton deal lapsed.

There will be plenty of cases where a manager starts work before a contract officially comes to an end, but those cases will have been negotiated individually and possibly had compensation agreements. In this case Chelsea have no interest in letting him out of it early and his severance pay would have been on the basis of seeing out the 'contract year'.
 
Rado_N said:
http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-F...-united-appoints-new-manager-david-moyes.aspx

He 'took the helm' on 1 July, that being the day after his Everton deal lapsed.

There will be plenty of cases where a manager starts work before a contract officially comes to an end, but those cases will have been negotiated individually and possibly had compensation agreements. In this case Chelsea have no interest in letting him out of it early and his severance pay would have been on the basis of seeing out the 'contract year'.
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Oh i have no doubt it's probably the case with Mourinho and Chelsea right now. But i actually think in the case of Moyes given that both clubs had a good relationship at that point and he left on good terms that he could have started right after the season finished but chose not to for whatever reason.
 
stevoc said:
Oh i have no doubt it's probably the case with Mourinho and Chelsea right now. But i actually think in the case of Moyes given that both clubs had a good relationship at that point and he left on good terms that he could have started right after the season finished but chose not to for whatever reason.
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He needed a holiday ;)
 
stevoc said:
Oh i have no doubt it's probably the case with Mourinho and Chelsea right now. But i actually think in the case of Moyes given that both clubs had a good relationship at that point and he left on good terms that he could have started right after the season finished but chose not to for whatever reason.
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Man Utd refused to pay the buyout to have him start early, apparently.
 
I think he is the only choice now for a short term fix, now that Pep is out of the question and Ancelotti is unavailable.

Has he ever been successful for more that 2 seasons at any club? Always seems to be 2 good season then either leave or get sacked in the third. We will never know if he would have continued his success at Inter had he stayed.

I wouldn't give him more than a 3 year contract, with a stipulation that if he starts throwing his toys out of the pram in his 3rd season, he can piss off without any compensation.
 
stevoc said:
Was that really the case though?

moyes-401266.jpg

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...nited-job-with-welcome-from-Sir-Alex-Ferguson

He was pictured entering Carrington with Ferguson and for some reason Albert Morgan shortly after it was made official he was taking over in May.

No doubt his contract with Everton ran until the end of June, but then wasn't Mourinho still under contract at Real when he started work early at Chelsea in 2013?
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I do not believe that Everton had anything to do with Moyes' delayed start date.
In an interview, Moyes explicitly states that it was MUFC's decision to start on the day he did.
He wanted to start earlier, but they said no.
To this day, he does not know why.
Perhaps there is some idiosynchratic reason why MUFC have their managers start on the last day of July (or is it June)? Not sure.

If you check the Moyes thread in the football forum, look for a youtube interview - it's in there.
 
sunama said:
I do not believe that Everton had anything to do with Moyes' delayed start date.
In an interview, Moyes explicitly states that it was MUFC's decision to start on the day he did.
He wanted to start earlier, but they said no.
To this day, he does not know why.
Perhaps there is some idiosynchratic reason why MUFC have their managers start on the last day of July (or is it June)? Not sure.
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Wasn't it mentioned that we simply didn't want to pay Everton a little compensation for that?

Anyhow, it's silly. Nothing can actually prevent a new manager from doing tons of work before July 1. He might avoid going to the training ground for obvious reasons, but everything else can be done easily. I don't believe Moyes avoided dealing with United issues before July 1.
 
Sassy Colin said:
I think he is the only choice now for a short term fix, now that Pep is out of the question and Ancelotti is unavailable.

Has he ever been successful for more that 2 seasons at any club? Always seems to be 2 good season then either leave or get sacked in the third. We will never know if he would have continued his success at Inter had he stayed.

I wouldn't give him more than a 3 year contract, with a stipulation that if he starts throwing his toys out of the pram in his 3rd season, he can piss off without any compensation.
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Personally I would rather go into this at least trying to facilitate a longer term arrangement. Not that I am obsessed with having another manager stick around for decades, which I dont think is going to happen. But Mourinho is a quality manager and he has already travelled around and experienced other clubs and leagues so he may be ready to settle. He may not be up to the task, it may be that he really does have a slash-and-burn style of management that gives him a 3-year shelf life, but I dont think that has been proven definitively.

Id want to keep options open. I am not really disagreeing with your proposal for terms on the contract, a 3 year contract might be about right (though it is a negotiation and it depends on what his demands are, we need him as much as he needs us at this stage so we should be flexible to accommodate his demands), my main point is it may be counter-productive to go into negotiations appearing to see a short term stint as inevitable. We should emphasise that he is our man and if he does well and both parties are happy we hope he will be with us for much longer. Rather than working on the assumption that he is going to deliver us one trophy in year 2 and then the wheels are going to come off, and covering ourselves for that eventuality. I think approaching it in that manner risks making it a self-fulfilling prophecy.
 
Oh God, I'd forgotten about the whole bollocks of the way we go about getting new managers started. Presuming it is Mourinho, he probably won't even show up until August, and we'll do all our transfer business on deadline day.
 
Sir A1ex said:
Oh God, I'd forgotten about the whole bollocks of the way we go about getting new managers started. Presuming it is Mourinho, he probably won't even show up until August, and we'll do all our transfer business on deadline day.
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If rumours are to be believed he has already started scouting possible targets, I think he will be well prepared when he arrives.

I appreciate it is in Dithering Dave's interests to put as much blame for what happened under him on the club, rather than accepting responsibility for any of it himself - and Im sure the club does have some responsibility for it. But Mourinho is not Moyes. I am sure he will get his list of demands in to Woodward in plenty of time.
 
Adebesi said:
If rumours are to be believed he has already started scouting possible targets, I think he will be well prepared when he arrives.

I appreciate it is in Dithering Dave's interests to put as much blame for what happened under him on the club, rather than accepting responsibility for any of it himself - and Im sure the club does have some responsibility for it. But Mourinho is not Moyes. I am sure he will get his list of demands in to Woodward in plenty of time.
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Hope you're right. I just don't trust us not to feck up anything anymore!
 
Sir A1ex said:
Hope you're right. I just don't trust us not to feck up anything anymore!
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Perfectly understandable. The bigger risk is that we wont actually get Mourinho IMO, I think we will but we could cock it up. But I think if we do get him he will be champing at the bit to answer his critics and will approach the squad situation proactively - i.e. even if the club are dithering and being indecisive, he will be meticulous and well prepared. It will be down to Woodward to get the deals done of course, but Mourinho will make sure he knows what is needed.
 
Some of you are behaving as if Jose is some 2nd rate, high risk, person who has barely ever managed a club.

This guy is one of the most decorated manager over the last decade.
Over the last 11 years, I believe he has the highest trophy count of any manager in Europe.
IMO, we are getting the absolute best manager in the World, who has won multiple league titles in various countries, won trebles with different teams - something that even the highly rated Guardiola has never done.

Step1: hire Moyes who was a mid-table manager, who has never won a trophy.
Step2: hire LVG who had a great CV and knows how to win at the highest level - it didn't work out. The EPL is too tough for him and perhaps he is past his best.
Step3: hire Jose - the man with an absolute proven track record of winning everywhere he goes. He is not "past it", as he is the manager who won the league title less than 1 year ago, in the EPL.

If Jose cannot get us winning consistently, there is nobody else to turn to and we may need hire someone, completely untested (like Pochettino or Giggs) and hope that they can do something with our team.
 
I can see how this conversation will go...

"Hi Jose, it's Ed here... just wondering if you still want the job.... Jose?..... Are you still there???"

"Hi Jose, it's Ed again. I think we got cut off last time. When you get this message can you call me back pretty please??"
 
Robbo 7 said:
I can see how this conversation will go...

"Hi Jose, it's Ed here... just wondering if you still want the job.... Jose?..... Are you still there???"

"Hi Jose, it's Ed again. I think we got cut off last time. When you get this message can you call me back pretty please??"
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I think it'll be more: "I won't tell you how to do your job, but could you tell me how to do mine"
 
Earthquake said:
Man Utd refused to pay the buyout to have him start early, apparently.
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Yeah that is bullshit i would imagine. Paying out the remaining 6 weeks of his contract if such a thing would even need to be done would have been a paltry sum for United. No it will have been Moyes own choice to feck off on a 6 week holiday and celebrate making the big time in my opinion.


Cassidy said:
He needed a holiday ;)
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I'm sure he did. Doubt anyone needs 6 weeks holiday though.
 
sunama said:
I do not believe that Everton had anything to do with Moyes' delayed start date.
In an interview, Moyes explicitly states that it was MUFC's decision to start on the day he did.
He wanted to start earlier, but they said no.
To this day, he does not know why.
Perhaps there is some idiosynchratic reason why MUFC have their managers start on the last day of July (or is it June)? Not sure.

If you check the Moyes thread in the football forum, look for a youtube interview - it's in there.
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If those words came from Moyes mouth then personally i would take them with a huge grain of salt. As he's spouted so much bullshit about everything else it's hard to believe anything he says.

Lets remember he said he was only offered the job in April 2013, but it came out later he was offered it much earlier than that. Hence why he didn't renew his Everton contract.

But anyway i'm going off topic so i'll say no more on Moyes in here.
 
I just watched the highlights of the 0-2 Chelsea win at Anfield. Please can we have a manager that cares that much again.
 
If the new manager isnt in place before the end of the season i already consider it a failing of the board, regardless of who comes in.

We're up shit creek and its Euro's this summer. business should be getting done ASAP so were not left being told by Sky Sports News how such n such a player is waiting until after the euro's to make any decisions and we end up doing feck all all summer and bringing in shite on deadline day.
 
GimmeAKitKat said:
If the new manager isnt in place before the end of the season i already consider it a failing of the board, regardless of who comes in.

We're up shit creek and its Euro's this summer. business should be getting done ASAP so were not left being told by Sky Sports News how such n such a player is waiting until after the euro's to make any decisions and we end up doing feck all all summer and bringing in shite on deadline day.
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If Mourinho is a done deal then I'm sure he's talking to Woodward about targets already. Although just rumours, it has been reported that Jose has been watching players for us.
 
:drool: so who are we signing from Dortmund and Inter :devil:
 
If you took a picture of ongoing negotiations anywhere in the world it'd be like a Where's Wally? Somewhere in the pic, hidden behind a pot plant in the corner of the boardroom you'd see Di Marzio crouched down, a phone glued to each ear.
 
Mitchell Nicholas said:
You lot better hope Di Marzio is as reliable as he is portrayed as.
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You don't have to be a genius to figure this one out, to be fair. Mourinho really does have nowhere else to go, and we have nobody else to approach.
 
DWelbz19 said:
You don't have to be a genius to figure this one out, to be fair. Mourinho really does have nowhere else to go, and we have nobody else to approach.
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True, but don't your chickens before they've hatched.
 
I know it's a little distasteful but does no one else think he looks a little unwell in recent photos? Barely looks like the same guy.

You would have thought the rest would have done him good!
 
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