BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho

[ravi2]

Can't say for sure. I think they would be open to letting someone advice them on how to run the club. So, either those people advising them are doing a bad of it or the Glazers think they know best and they have a plan in place that they will stick too.

I do think a DoF would be a big help to the club and the board. I hope they realise that.

How on earth can successful businessmen like the glazers think letting gill and SAF go at the same time is good succession planning?

On top of that they gave control of the club to an accountant/investment banker who has no clue about the day to day running of a football club...these are basic errors. It just doesn't make sense to me.

They are lucky they had SAF to gloss over their mismanagement, but now the chickens are coming home to roost.

If Jose isn't chosen, I can see us sliding just like Liverpool....they didn't become shit overnight.

 

[simonhch]

Saying you don't want Mourinho because of his style of football, when you have Van Gaal as manager; is like saying you don't want to wear Tom Ford suits, when your current stylist is MC Hammer.

 

[sglowrider]

When SAF retired Mourinho wouldn't have been my first choice, but having said that at the time i thought he was probably the best personality wise to succeed Ferguson. Jose would have did well with Ferguson's squad i think he would have added to it and carried on that winning mentality SAF built up, pity they are almost all gone now.

If we do appoint him this summer the last 3 years would have been a monumental waste of time and money in hindsight. To think we appointed a clown like Moyes to succeed Alex Ferguson (Jesus i still cringe at the mere thought of it), should have got Jose in 2013. He was an obvious choice to everyone but a few key people at United.

When SAF retired, Mourinho was my obvious first choice -- we are a business, so the Glazers would not want to take any risk by appointing any unproven managers. And at that time Mourinho was the best and more proven with guaranteed results.

However, three years later ironically, I am not sure he is the best manager to take over our nightmare. We have been so stripped bare of a experienced dynamic/creative spine, and despite a re-loading of players by Moyes and LVG, I am not sure Mourinho would be the right person of the job now. He is great at a side with a developing foundation (with early 20s players) but not at a overhaul rebuild which is what we need.

But having said that, I am not sure who is available with proven results/resume that could take on this enormous job. (Rafa clear is one but is untouchable.)

So my guess is that by default, Mourinho will be the natural choice... albeit a tad too late in my opinion.

 

[Giant Midget]

Van Gaal can barely get us to have 2 shots on target in a game. Mourinho's tactics are the lovechild of Ferguson, Guardiola, Busby and Cruyff in comparison.

 

[sglowrider]

How on earth can successful businessmen like the glazers think letting gill and SAF go at the same time is good succession planning?

On top of that they gave control of the club to an accountant/investment banker who has no clue about the day to day running of a football club...these are basic errors. It just doesn't make sense to me.

They are lucky they had SAF to gloss over their mismanagement, but now the chickens are coming home to roost.

If Jose isn't chosen, I can see us sliding just like Liverpool....they didn't become shit overnight.

Glazers' currency/prism is financial success. It builds up trust in their eyes. So they let Woody run it.

 

[sglowrider]

Van Gaal can barely get us to have 2 shots on target in a game. Mourinho's tactics are the lovechild of Ferguson, Guardiola, Busby and Cruyff in comparison.

LVG's yardstick isn't 'shots on goal' only but starts with possession. The more you keep the ball, the more likely you will win -- since by default, you will have more opportunities to shoot.

So by his philosophy, the problem is that we aren't getting our shots off -- the players fault. No confidence to shoot!

 

[.Rossi]

Not trying to piss on anyone's parade but, I see the following happening....

- Losing to West Ham. Fans booing LvG out of it.
- LvG quits/ is sacked, Giggs takes over
- Giggs leads United to a glorious failure against Liverpool but, they go down the "United way"
- The Executives and board see a "this will cost us feck all"/"It's the United way" solution

Say hello to your new manager

 

[AltiUn]

Not trying to piss on anyone's parade but, I see the following happening....

- Losing to West Ham. Fans booing LvG out of it.
- LvG quits/ is sacked, Giggs takes over
- Giggs leads United to a glorious failure against Liverpool but, they go down the "United way"
- The Executives and board see a "this will cost us feck all"/"It's the United way" solution

Say hello to your new manager

That's 100% what you're trying to do.

 

[.Rossi]

That's 100% what you're trying to do.

Not on purpose though. I'm lost after that tonight.

 

[stevoc]

When SAF retired, Mourinho was my obvious first choice -- we are a business, so the Glazers would not want to take any risk by appointing any unproven managers. And at that time Mourinho was the best and more proven with guaranteed results.

Yeah but they did take a massive risk on Moyes in the hope that despite him being a boring sadsack with all the charm of a turnip who had never won anything at Everton in over a decade, that he would somehow turn into Fergie Mk2 overnight and lead us to another glorious 25 years of success.

To my dying day i refuse to believe anyone other than Moyes was Fergusons and the boards No1 choice. It was mental that he was even considered let alone appointed, everyone but them knew he was no where near good enough.

 

[stevoc]

Not trying to piss on anyone's parade but, I see the following happening....

- Losing to West Ham. Fans booing LvG out of it.
- LvG quits/ is sacked, Giggs takes over
- Giggs leads United to a glorious failure against Liverpool but, they go down the "United way"
- The Executives and board see a "this will cost us feck all"/"It's the United way" solution

Say hello to your new manager

Van Gaal won't leave until June no matter what happens in the next week. Even if he did leave i actually think we would be worse under Giggs.

 

[Judas]

People need to stop worrying, this is as obvious as Pep to City.

 

[K2K]

Worth pointing out that July would tie in with the idea of him being unable to start work this season due to his Chelsea contract.

He has already said that the start of next season would be the 'right time' for him to start a new job.

Whether that times is right because of any clauses in his severance deal or because he wants to take a rest, I dont know.

 

[K2K]

Despite Manchester United's poor run of form and the pressure mounting on van Gaal, the "Mourinho to United" rumours have been a bit quiet of late. It might be wishful thinking on my behalf, but I do think Jose might not be coming to United. I just have a feeling that the board are split about him and the majority don't think he's the one. Personally I believe a coach like Marcelo Bielsa would be much more suited to United, and he's available as well.

Bielsa? He's a nutjob.

He's a good tactician, but not a very good manager.

Hardly rotates, runs his player into the ground and has zero tact. He was the one that told a new player just last season that he(Bielsa ) didnt sign him and also didnt want him. It didnt help that he did it in a press conference.

I feel like peoples just throw around as many exotic names as they can, without even considering the cons of whoever they are suggesting.

 

[MyOnlySolskjaer]

He has already said that the start of next season would be the 'right time' for him to start a new job.

Whether that times is right because of any clauses in his severance deal or because he wants to take a rest, I dont know.

Not sure if related but Jose's father suffered two strokes in October and underwent surgery on a brain haemorrhage back in April/May.

Quite a few reports are saying he's making back and forth trips to Lisbon. (To see him)

EDIT:

e.g. http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/473068/Chelsea-Jose-Mourinho-strong-just-like-my-dad

So perhaps this an ideal break for him, so he can spend time with him.

 

[Insanity]

Not sure if related but Jose's father suffered two strokes in October and underwent surgery on a brain haemorrhage back in April.

Quite a few reports are saying he's making back and forth trips to Lisbon.

Allegedly, he said in an interview with BT Sport that he is all set to start his new job from July this year. I am 99% certain that it'll be with us.

 

[shabadu84]

The only thing that makes sense for why van Gaal's still in charge is that the Mourinho deal is done but he won't come until July. Giggs won't take an interim role again so the only viable solution is to let LVG continue our march of death until May. Probably the cheapest option too - I'm sure some kind of package has been negotiated to cut short the contract without paying him in full. Good thing we didn't let silly things like possible CL qualification, cup runs, and general morale get in the way of good business.

 

[Rado_N]

He has already said that the start of next season would be the 'right time' for him to start a new job.

Whether that times is right because of any clauses in his severance deal or because he wants to take a rest, I dont know.

Yea but why wait til July?

It was the same with Moyes, Everton held him to his contact until it expired on 30 June iirc.

 

[LonelyFire]

Yea but why wait til July?

It was the same with Moyes, Everton held him to his contact until it expired on 30 June iirc.

My guess has always been he's on gardening leave. Contract would be in place until June 30th

 

[Rado_N]

My guess has always been he's on gardening leave. Contract would be in place until June 30th

Yep, that's been my mindset too.

 

[DWelbz19]

Not trying to piss on anyone's parade but, I see the following happening....

- Losing to West Ham. Fans booing LvG out of it.
- LvG quits/ is sacked, Giggs takes over
- Giggs leads United to a glorious failure against Liverpool but, they go down the "United way"
- The Executives and board see a "this will cost us feck all"/"It's the United way" solution

Say hello to your new manager

van Gaal won't be sacked until the end of the season. If he can survive all he did in that incredibly unbelievable period in early December, he can survive a few losses now.

 

[K2K]

Not sure if related but Jose's father suffered two strokes in October and underwent surgery on a brain haemorrhage back in April/May.

Quite a few reports are saying he's making back and forth trips to Lisbon. (To see him)

EDIT:

e.g. http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/473068/Chelsea-Jose-Mourinho-strong-just-like-my-dad

So perhaps this an ideal break for him, so he can spend time with him.

I had heard about the health issues, but not the extent of them. It must be really difficult foe Jose , so the break could have been a good one for him.

I also hope he used it to think about what went wrong at Chelsea. He wasnt entirely blameless from that episode. He needs to use that as his 2005 moment, just like Fergie did.

 

[royboy16]

July is a bit late for my liking. I'd much rather he takes over from the fraud the second the final whistle blows in our last game. Not like he needs a holiday after taking half the season off. At the very least I hope he's actively involved in transfers throughout the summer.

Would the players not have holidays scheduled ?

 

[Sunny Jim]

Bielsa? He's a nutjob.

He's a good tactician, but not a very good manager.

Hardly rotates, runs his player into the ground and has zero tact. He was the one that told a new player just last season that he(Bielsa ) didnt sign him and also didnt want him. It didnt help that he did it in a press conference.

I feel like peoples just throw around as many exotic names as they can, without even considering the cons of whoever they are suggesting.

Bielsa himself said that he would win all games if his players were robota who never tire.

 

[Globule]

July is a bit late for my liking. I'd much rather he takes over from the fraud the second the final whistle blows in our last game. Not like he needs a holiday after taking half the season off. At the very least I hope he's actively involved in transfers throughout the summer.

If LvG gets sacked the day after the season ends and Mourinho doesn't 'start' until July, you can bet your house that he'd be busy working on his plans. It won't be like LvG's appointment, where he had something to occupy his mind before starting with us. Hell, I'd be surprised if Mourinho hasn't already started planning.

 

[K2K]

Yea but why wait til July?

It was the same with Moyes, Everton held him to his contact until it expired on 30 June iirc.

Dont forget that he signed a new long term contract at Chelsea just last August, and that is likely to play a role in that possible clause as he is bound to be due a large severance package.

Chelsea probably put such a clause to protect their own interests as a condition for his payout.

 

[K2K]

Bielsa himself said that he would win all games if his players were robota who never tire.

Thats his biggest problem..the players always end up running out of steam with him. It even happened at Marseille too .

 

[sglowrider]

Yeah but they did take a massive risk on Moyes in the hope that despite him being a boring sadsack with all the charm of a turnip who had never won anything at Everton in over a decade, that he would somehow turn into Fergie Mk2 overnight and lead us to another glorious 25 years of success.

To my dying day i refuse to believe anyone other than Moyes was Fergusons and the boards No1 choice. It was mental that he was even considered let alone appointed, everyone but them knew he was no where near good enough.

I am pretty sure its was Fergie's choice. More emotional and in hope. Glazers are business guys -- tend to be more logical, looking at CV etc like hiring an employee.

 

[iHicksy]

I think his failings last season at Chelsea are nothing to do with him being tactically found out. From what the players have said and other sources in the media I think he just went overboard with trying to motivate them. Much like Fergie he tried to keep them hungry by making them feel like they could be doing better and weren't playing as well as they could, which backfired massively. He either misjudged some of his players personalities (Hazard, Matic etc) or just took it a step too far and it had the opposite effect he desired. Instead of firing them up and making them perform to a higher standard it drained their confidence and made them lose faith in his management. Hopefully he'll learn from this lesson and blossom at utd.

 

[TheRedDevil'sAdvocate]

I have a question for those people who say he's not a team builder but a quick fix rather than a long term solution. Where do you think we would be right now, if he had taken over from Ferguson back in 2013? I believe we would be a team with a clear plan on the pitch, with players who would know how to get the ball forward and create chances. Moreover, we would probably have the two or three top players who would provide personality and leadership both on and off the pitch.

It's true that he doesn't rotate much and that makes it difficult for youngsters to get playing time. But LvG is doing the exactly opposite by depending solely on youngsters to carry the team on their shoulders. This United side is colorless, pale, gutless and risking its young players' future by asking them to take responsibilities they're not ready to take yet.

The worst think that would have happened to us with Mourinho (from 2013) is the debate about who would succeed him and take over a ready made first team. But he's not a team builder like LvG right? As they like to say in the Netherlands: "It's a process".

 

[Cnaiür urs Skiötha]

He should immediately take over. The season is more or less gone and he would have some games to make his judgement about some Players and what we Need in the summer.
Anything else than appointing Mourinho given the circumstances (realistic alternatives) will lead into the next disaster.

 

[foolsgold]

He should immediately take over. The season is more or less gone and he would have some games to make his judgement about some Players and what we Need in the summer.
Anything else than appointing Mourinho given the circumstances (realistic alternatives) will lead into the next disaster.

You think he isn't watching every game in detail already ? Not the same as seeing them in training, i admit. Same with transfers, you can be certain he's already pulling together a list of players and the club is dealing with agents.

Euro 2016 ends on 10th July, anyone going deep in it will not be back till the end of the month and will miss the start of the year. It's a total ball ache of a thing, personally I'm not remotely bothered about it.

 

[Kraftwerker]

It's pretty obvious he has a clause in his Chelsea termination preventing him taking another English job until the summer.

Just write this season off if you haven't already (or pray for an FA Cup), and hold tight until the summer. Because nothing's going to happen.

 

[Rado_N]

Dont forget that he signed a new long term contract at Chelsea just last August, and that is likely to play a role in that possible clause as he is bound to be due a large severance package.

Chelsea probably put such a clause to protect their own interests as a condition for his payout.

That's my point exactly, that kind of clause would likely only apply to jobs in England.

 

[Adebesi]

How on earth can successful businessmen like the glazers think letting gill and SAF go at the same time is good succession planning?

Well to be fair you cant actually decide when your employees quit. I dont know if they could have done more to persuade one of them to defer their decision for a year, but if Gill and Ferguson didnt think to do it themselves, given the bond they both have with the club, its unlikely the Glazers would have been in a position to talk them into it.

On top of that they gave control of the club to an accountant/investment banker who has no clue about the day to day running of a football club...these are basic errors. It just doesn't make sense to me.

This one Ill give you. Says absolutely everything to me about their priorities.

Mind you, it does shine a light on how fickle fans can be, we have swung from detesting this man, to thinking he is some kind of demigod when he does the basics of his job properly (signs a few people) and then back to being the devil again because he hasnt sacked his manager fast enough. Personally I have always tried to be more measured in my appraisal of Woodward: signing a few players never made him anything special. Clearly he had to learn a lot of his role as he went which was far from ideal. But neither do I presume to know what his motives are for keeping LVG in place for now. Things are usually more complicated than they are perceived to be from the outside so I will give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he has a new manager (Mourinho I suppose but possibly someone else) lined up for next season, circumstances prevented them coming earlier and no adequate interim was available.

If Van Gaal is still in charge next season, which is something I am not worried about at all because I think there is no chance of it, but if it does happen, itll be impossible to deny that Woodward is making decisions that are massively undermining the club and doing it long term damage. And in turn, the Glazers are doing the same by appointing someone to the job who is capable of making such bad decisions.

Not that itll make any difference, I think Woodward has one of the safest jobs in football while he continues to deliver on the commercial side of the business. So all we can do is hope I am right and there is some kind of logic behind his actions.

 

[SirAF]

Motherfecker. I'm going to puke if it is not us!

 

[Oneunited26]

Saying you don't want Mourinho because of his style of football, when you have Van Gaal as manager; is like saying you don't want to wear Tom Ford suits, when your current stylist is MC Hammer.

Its like saying, there is no way I am doing cocaine, when I am a current heroin addict, lol

 

[Adebesi]

It's like someone whose being subjected to Chinese Water Torture worrying about whether it's going to start raining.

 

[stevoc]

Yea but why wait til July?

It was the same with Moyes, Everton held him to his contact until it expired on 30 June iirc.

Was that really the case though?

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...nited-job-with-welcome-from-Sir-Alex-Ferguson

He was pictured entering Carrington with Ferguson and for some reason Albert Morgan shortly after it was made official he was taking over in May.

No doubt his contract with Everton ran until the end of June, but then wasn't Mourinho still under contract at Real when he started work early at Chelsea in 2013?

 

[stevoc]

I am pretty sure its was Fergie's choice. More emotional and in hope. Glazers are business guys -- tend to be more logical, looking at CV etc like hiring an employee.

Yeah i also think it was 100% Fergusons choice, and the Glazers deferred to his judgement. Still a crazy decision. I think Ferguson let other bullshit cloud his judgement, like the fact he was a champion for British managers getting big jobs and he probably thought he couldn't be seen to overlook them himself in favour of someone like Mourinho or Ancelotti.