It's been mentioned by one of the posters that he thought LvG has the changes he made set before the game and made them even though they weren't of benefit to the team. That he took Herrera and Rashford off to prepare for the Liverpool game. It would not surprise me that he has a script and sticks to it rigidly no matter what happens.
BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho
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Change is needed and its needed now, I'm sure if Jose has the job then he is already analyzing the squad and making plenty of notes of what crap to get rid of. LVG baring the youngsters brought through has been an overall disaster and the whole Giggs experiment spells more doom and gloom for me.
How about we get a manager in who wasn't sacked for dragging a squad they built from 1st to a relegation battle in the space of 6 months, didn't lose the dressing room in part because of throwing a staff member under the bus for doing their job, isn't in a legal battle with said staff member or whose replacement hasn't managed to turn their season completely around with almost zero additions?
That doesn't seem much to ask for.
Just click on his name and see how many articles he has written about Giggs.
I think Giggs would have us playing a more enjoyable style. But I fear it'd be a horrible year of mad results, that'd make us long for this year!
Mourinho has to be the choice, and I can't imagine we'd be so lax as to not have some legally binding stuff on the go behind the scenes.
The board backed VG when everyone would have sacked him after Norwich, and because of that now we might as well stick.
Unless we lose in both cups this next week, and get thumped by City, thus rendering the rest of the season ruined.
I didn't mean it in that way, Everton under Moyes were of course a respectable side and were capable of playing well. I just think Pochettino's approach is a bit more expansive and his teams play a better brand of football.
LVG only brought so many youngsters through because his hand was forced due to the amount of injuries. If you want someone who can just put the youngsters on the field then you might as well just stick the groundsman in charge, LVG has played the youngsters but done very little for their development. He's turned them in to robots who are devoid of creativity, I'll give him that. Martial now looks bland and boring, and Rashford is already on his way to being Van Gaal'ed. He's an absolute cancer to the club.
What's happened that makes u not want giggs near the managers position? Genuinely curious
Again, don't disagree. Cannot gamble with Giggs - it just cannot happen.
Today's performance was so obviously going to happen. Post match against Arsenal he talked about being "too open" and "risky". Nearly every fan heralded it as a proper Utd performance of defiance and youth....LVG fundamentally does not see football that way. Watford was the same old shite and it continued today. The sending off is masking a lot - we would not have won that game with 11 men.
Their replacement was a man who was sacked after less than 15 months into his job as Netherlands manager after failing to get the team who had reached the WC semis to even qualify for Euro finals. By your logic, he should never manager another top team as every manager who has had a poor season is not good enough.
As far legal case is concerned, Hiddink is a convicted tax evader. But hey, whatever suits your agenda against Maureen.
Not particularly, but he's definitely being drip fed by someone associated with the club. He's not the sort to outright fabricate, but he's not to be taken as gospel.
We'd have had some sort of hope and might have created something though.
The second Mata went off, and you saw 75mins left, it was game over in terms of winning it. With the best case a 0-0. In fairness we did well to hold it for 40mins! I can't remember us having a man sent off so early.
But then my memory is sh!t these days
Aye, I don't get the "using Chelsea being shit the first half of the season" against mourinho. It's like the previous decade of his managerial career and results doesn't matter.
I'm not a fan of mourinho - though I'd gladly take him currently. What's most important - even if he's just here for 2-3 years before he combusts is that he instills a winning mentality at our club again. Seems battling for top 4 and playing in the Europa is ok these days.
Which is presumably why he's interim manager until the summer and hey if that guy can get Maureen's team playing for him after being there 5 minutes, how bad a job was Jose doing?
Where do you start?
He's never been a manager. Why would anyone want a first time manager in charge of Utd? I repeat, Guardiola is not some form of divine evidence that Giggs will be successful.
He's been a part of two failed regimes. People say "but he's only been coach....assistant " - if he's not character enough to speak up then why is he cut out to be manager? News flash....he's not.
Lastly, it's where the club are at. A huge part of Guardiolas success (other than the fact that he had 5 of worlds best players at the time) was the club was set up with experienced individuals in key positions. All he had to do was coach. What shape are Utd in? A fecking shambles. The job is a huge one simply because Utd have stood still for years. The idea that a first time manager can come to Utd in its current state and deliver is frankly ridiculous.
It was only game over because it's van Gaal though. Put a better/bolder manager in charge and I might have been confident of us actually getting the win. In fact, after the start of the second half I started to think we might pull it off, we were beginning to look more dangerous. Then he subs Herrera for Schneiderlin. LvG is a cowardly manager.
Come on Dobba, there are a few reasons to not want mourinho but he's last 6 months at Chelsea is a small sample to select over a management career spanning over a decade?
I do agree about the pattern though. He seems to only handle 2-3 seasons before falling out with everyone.
If Danny Blind can get this Netherlands team to play well, imagine how awful a job Hiddink was doing! Yet he is now a savior for Chelsea this season.
Do you see the loopholes in your logic to not wanting Maureen for 6 months of poor results or your hatred for him is too much for you to see anything else?
When it was quite literally the safest job in world football and he managed to feck it up as bad as he did, in the time that he did, I make an exception.
Maybe Jose had a go at his eyes too.
This is what's needed. LvG sends the team out even against the lower teams to not lose. Manchester United should be going out to win every game. It's funny how he seems to manage the big games better, that he get more credit and glory then. Who cares about the little games, well we care.
With abramovich in charge, the Chelsea job can never be described as the safest job in the world. But yeah, mou stuffed it up terribly. I'd still rate that it's rather inaccurate to use 6 months over a decade plus management career.
Aye. I can't even recall how many corners we've turned under LvG now. We're stuck in a fecking round about, never mind turning corners.
I literally can't think of a manager who's this lucky. It seems any manager following David Moyes was going to get a easy ride at our club.
This is an Abramovich who had to approach someone he'd previously binned, with his tail between his legs. I don't imagine he even entertains the idea that he has made a mistake too often in his professional life, nevermind appear to be admitting it with the whole world watching.
Because the club is being cowardly, being managed by a cowardly manager.
Mourinho may only last 3 years at United but Pep would be no different, they leave clubs in different circumstances but would you rather the manager announces his next job half way through the current season?
For me the pro's for Mourinho far outweigh the cons, his record in the transfer market is excellent and world class players want to play for him, in the past the allegation has been that he's bought the league but having money and spending it well are two very different things, the current United side is a good example of just that.
If Mourinho came to United I'd expect him to win a league title, give us a good shot at Europe and probably all fall apart in year 3 or 4 latest but that sounds much better than what we;ve seen the past 3 seasons and much better than the alternatives which is Giggs as manager up against Pep/Wenger/Poch.
If he's given a 3rd year with the Giggs plan implemented - we could be in for a long, painful few years
I wouldn't have minded Giggs getting a shot if we had stability and we're coming off the back of winning a few things. But the further we fall into the abyss the higher the probability of doing a Pool.
Giggs has been part of a winning club, he knows nothing about how to manage a club in a serious slump.If he's given a 3rd year with the Giggs plan implemented - we could be in for a long, painful few years
I wouldn't have minded Giggs getting a shot if we had stability and we're coming off the back of winning a few things. But the further we fall into the abyss the higher the probability of doing a Pool.
He knows nothing about how to manage a successful club.
That's true as well.
He knows nothing about how to manage any club.
Not even a kids club.
Yeah, I think if the owners are really serious about promoting Giggs - we could have "experimented" for a year or 2 after a successful spell. But the longer this decline goes on - the more difficult we'll find it to get out of it.
If it's one of LvG, Giggs, or Mourinho, then it's clearly got to be Mourinho, but couid we not cast our net a little wider, because other than fleeting moments everything is telling me Mourinho is a bad fit for us.
Be prepared for more decline if we appoint him.
If Giggs is appointed manager and it inevitably goes pear shaped, then everyone associated with his appointment needs booting out of the club with him. And yes that does include Ferguson!
Eva Carneiro to seek ‘public apology’ from Mourinho:
http://www.football365.com/news/carneiro-to-seek-public-apology-from-mourinho
http://www.football365.com/news/carneiro-to-seek-public-apology-from-mourinho
After seeing the mess that LVG created, I don't think there is any way the club will appoint Giggs, there is just too much at stake.
I wouldn't be so certain just yet.
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