BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho

Would you be happy to see Jose Mourinho become next United manager?

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It's all subjective.I thought Bayern were the most entertaining side in world football before Guardiola arrived.
 
LonelyFire said:
I share a lot of the concerns about Mourinho but can we stop with the "boring football" argument nonsense - it's a total fallacy.
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I don't know, his teams score enough goals I think theres definitely truth and stats to back that up, though over the last two years at Chelsea there were plenty of games I tuned in and wondered why I was even watching.
Not even big games but games like Southampton at the bridge for example, quite a few games over the second half of last season that I caught seemed fairly dull affairs for the neutral really. Perhaps I was just unlucky in catching the poor games..

I'd still take him...obviously, but I don't exactly think he's tailor made for United besides the winner attribute.
 
Stack said:
It might be a fallacy for you but for me his teams are always a total snooze fest, so for me its not a fallacy.
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His first Chelsea team were exceptional going forward. His Madrid team were good to watch and even his Inter team played good football. It's massively over exaggerated that his teams are boring
 
BennyBlanco said:
I'd still take him...obviously, but I don't exactly think he's tailor made for United besides the winner attribute.
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The winner attribute is the most important attribute.
It's this attribute (or lack thereof), which saw Moyes get fired in 10 months (which is fast by anybody's standards) and may see LVG (who can't do better than 4th place) out at the end of this season.
 
devilish said:
Luck has nothing to do with injuries. United always suffer from waves and waves of injuries and had been so since SAF. Someone with brains would have anticipated that by having a big side. That what SAF did

I respect and in someway share some of the concerns of those who do not want Mourinho. However let us not justify LVG's horrible man management and strategic decisions because we don't want Maureen. The Dutch man has no idea what he's doing and is reflected with his constant switching of tactics, players and his senile decisions (midfielders as CBs, CBs giving corners etc)

Also lets stop with this 20+ years. No one will ever give us that and most of the time we wouldn't want it in the first place. Take Clough, Wenger and even Sir Matt. At the end they were more of a burden to the club in need of change rather than a blessing and we're talking here about great managers of rare quality
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I'm not the one asking for 20+ years, but I think that's the general consensus of what the fanbase wants. And luck has a lot to do with injuries. Maybe not just one or 2 but he quantity that we have is extreme and often in the same position which no team in the world could sustain having to go 6, 7 or 8 deep at one position as we have at defense. Someone once posted this... but pick out either other top 4 team and count off the similar # of injuries to their team and then look at who might be left... I believe it's understandable that we've struggled a bit given the injury bug. That said, I wish we were at a point where players like Schweinsteiger was 3rd of 4th choice for holding mid so that he doesn't have to play every day. He and Carrick and Rooney can't sustain 40+ games at this point in their career.
 
keener said:
This facination with Jose is sickening. I hated him at chelsea and not JUST because he was manager of Chelsea... but because of style that he played, because of his demeanor on the sidelines and after the games and now he's gone, the team is tending to play better...
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So lets talk about style.
Have you enjoyed LVG's 1 goal per game style that we saw for most of this season?
Or how about the 3 goals in our last 6 games from last year's EPL season?

keener said:
I guess what I'm saying is, give LVG the rest of the season. Do NOT hire Mourinho. Look for another coach in the ilk of Pochettino ...
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With regards the current Spurs manager, he will be another mid table manager who may do well or may not. He has not won a trophy in his managerial career.
For comparison, when Fergie joined, he'd already won a European trophy with Aberdeen...who don't normally win anything.

For me, I want MUFC to have the best possible team, who can beat everyone. That means, a Tier1 manager: Ancelotti, Guardiola and Jose are the only candidates who I'd consider.
If you can't get an Tier1 manager, then we look to Tier2. But we should only look to Tier2, if a Tier1 manager is not available.

For me, Jose is the only candidate which makes any sense.

BTW: Pochettino would'nt be in Tier2...probably not even Tier3. He has won nothing.
 
You can be a glasgow born scot, you can drink whiskey, you can have a rednose, you can kiss the badge, you can play a team full of academy player, you can look like george best and cantona rolled into one, finish 6th and you're still sacked.

On the other hand you can be a cnut, you can drink whiskey and says feck you to the media, you can kick a boot to the media darling, you can harras the referee all week, play a 40 years old giggs and scholes, and you still got the job for 26 years because you won 11 titles.

Let's get the order right, win before style, style without winning... Meh, some asian manager from indonesian league can do that
 
Sky1981 said:
You can be a glasgow born scot, you can drink whiskey, you can have a rednose, you can kiss the badge, you can play a team full of academy player, you can look like george best and cantona rolled into one, finish 6th and you're still sacked.

On the other hand you can be a cnut, you can drink whiskey and says feck you to the media, you can kick a boot to the media darling, you can harras the referee all week, play a 40 years old giggs and scholes, and you still got the job for 26 years because you won 11 titles.

Let's get the order right, win before style, style without winning... Meh, some asian manager from indonesian league can do that
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Are you sure it's not you who has been drinking the whiskey?

Didn't understand a bit of that
 
keener said:
I'm not the one asking for 20+ years, but I think that's the general consensus of what the fanbase wants. And luck has a lot to do with injuries. Maybe not just one or 2 but he quantity that we have is extreme and often in the same position which no team in the world could sustain having to go 6, 7 or 8 deep at one position as we have at defense. Someone once posted this... but pick out either other top 4 team and count off the similar # of injuries to their team and then look at who might be left... I believe it's understandable that we've struggled a bit given the injury bug. That said, I wish we were at a point where players like Schweinsteiger was 3rd of 4th choice for holding mid so that he doesn't have to play every day. He and Carrick and Rooney can't sustain 40+ games at this point in their career.
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Well if that's the case, most of the fans are stupid. Managers change clubs for a reason. Their style get used to, rifts between players and manager will happen and some of the managers start to believe their own hype (take Wenger and I can afford not winning because I am....Arsene Wenger).

Considering that we've got an injury crisis nearly every year than it would be pretty stupid to think that LVG has been unlucky with injuries. He would be lucky with injuries if this near annual phenomenon didn't occurred. That's why SAF had a big squad. Unfortunately LVG has yet to understand how our squad works, which is kind of stupid considering this is his second year
 
CM10 said:
I don't think there is really a comparison. Moyes made Everton a tough team to beat and established them as a top half side but he didn't do a lot else with them.

Pochettino had both Southampton and Spurs playing attractive football whilst integrating young players. He took Spurs to a domestic cup final last season and has them challenging for the league title this season. I think that far exceeds what Moyes achieved in the decade he was manager of Everton.
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Spurs before Pochetino had made the champions league and were consistently top 5. He did a really good job with Southampton but the sample size is a bit small. Moyes didn't just make Everton a tough team to beat. It's not like they played hoof ball and parked the bus.
 
sunama said:
So lets talk about style.
Have you enjoyed LVG's 1 goal per game style that we saw for most of this season?
Or how about the 3 goals in our last 6 games from last year's EPL season?



With regards the current Spurs manager, he will be another mid table manager who may do well or may not. He has not won a trophy in his managerial career.
For comparison, when Fergie joined, he'd already won a European trophy with Aberdeen...who don't normally win anything.

For me, I want MUFC to have the best possible team, who can beat everyone. That means, a Tier1 manager: Ancelotti, Guardiola and Jose are the only candidates who I'd consider.
If you can't get an Tier1 manager, then we look to Tier2. But we should only look to Tier2, if a Tier1 manager is not available.

For me, Jose is the only candidate which makes any sense.

BTW: Pochettino would'nt be in Tier2...probably not even Tier3. He has won nothing.
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I'll give you that sunama.... Just saying that 1. I don't want Jose for the reasons i've listed and 2. I don't want our club to become a club that fires a manager every 3 years. NOTHING is healthy about that. We can do better than that. Who??? Maybe not a "tier 1" manager.. Maybe a quality guy that would be enamored with being at old trafford for years...

I'm no romantic that fantasizes about the youth program being our major contributor to our lineup... but i guess I am a romantic when it pertains to coaching/tenure/patience/style etc...

All good points that you made and NO, i didn't enjoy LVG's possession game.. and I have tons of thoughts on that... maybe that's for another thread. In short, i think he's changed his approach, giving us liberty to go forward.. and 2. I think youth (specifically Lindgard) has opened up our attack.

It pains me to say it, but the perfect coach for us is coaching at Liverpool. I'd give anything to have him at our club for the next 7 years.
 
The most surprising thing to notice here is that while we had a manager for 26 years, there were wholesale changes all across the footballing world to which we were largely insulated. But now fans fail to see that football has become a short term result business and cannot and will not be driven by the principles of the 80s and early 90s.

No manager is going to stay at a club for more than 3 years. If it happens then that is an outlier not the norm. If our club is even planning to get a manager for the long term i.e. for more than 3 years then it is foolishness. If we look at the data from the previous decade, very few managers (even the top ones) have lasted more than that at any club.

We should be looking for immediate results and not some manager who can steer us for another 26 years.
 
I think the fact that LVG is retiring next year makes this a far easier decision than it would be of he was a young manager who wed put our hope in. The reality is he's leaving next year anyway so let's just replace him now while we have options rather then wait a year for him to leave and then maybe not having the option to appoint a top manager like Mourinho.

Basically sign him up.
 
keener said:
I'll give you that sunama.... Just saying that 1. I don't want Jose for the reasons i've listed and 2. I don't want our club to become a club that fires a manager every 3 years. NOTHING is healthy about that. We can do better than that. Who??? Maybe not a "tier 1" manager.. Maybe a quality guy that would be enamored with being at old trafford for years...

I'm no romantic that fantasizes about the youth program being our major contributor to our lineup... but i guess I am a romantic when it pertains to coaching/tenure/patience/style etc...

All good points that you made and NO, i didn't enjoy LVG's possession game.. and I have tons of thoughts on that... maybe that's for another thread. In short, i think he's changed his approach, giving us liberty to go forward.. and 2. I think youth (specifically Lindgard) has opened up our attack.

It pains me to say it, but the perfect coach for us is coaching at Liverpool. I'd give anything to have him at our club for the next 7 years.
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You don't hire a manager with the intention of sacking him after three years nor do you hire every manager expecting them to last three decades, things happen along the way that force your hand either way. Manchester United were that foolish once by thinking that time and patience are the only two things that created Ferguson's legendary tenure and understated the importance of the person's specifications - Ferguson wouldn't have landed the United job if he hadn't achieved what he did in Scotland. Even then he wouldn't have lasted the distance if he hadn't shown some evidence of progress, wasn't he tittering on the brink in 89?
What I'm trying to say is that a tenure like Ferguson's is not easy to replicate, in fact it's impossible to design. So right now we need to navigate these dangerous waters of the post-Ferguson hangover by restructuring the club to make it more immune to managerial changes but most of all we need to start winning again, and soon, because very soon the quality of our sponsorship deals will start to reflect our new reality and when that happens we would have no hope of catching up with that Junta funded upstart across the road.
 
Mirror said:
...those who roam the corridors of power
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Good grief, the horror...Is there no exit door? Makes them sound like a pissed and bewildered minotaur.
 
Tosicsleftpeg said:
I think the fact that LVG is retiring next year makes this a far easier decision than it would be of he was a young manager who wed put our hope in. The reality is he's leaving next year anyway so let's just replace him now while we have options rather then wait a year for him to leave and then maybe not having the option to appoint a top manager like Mourinho.

Basically sign him up.
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This is exactly how I feel.
 
I wouldn't take that article seriously. Look how many articles Simon Mullock has written about Giggs taking over.
 
If signing Jose means the youth squad is ignored then I don't want him here. I have no problem with him himself or his style of play.
 
How many youngsters has Gus promoted since he took over from Jose?

Maybe Moutinho didn't promote youth players because there weren't any that were good enough.

We bang on about being a club that develops youth, but how many youngsters did Fergie promote from the youth setup and keep in the first team during the last 5 years of his managerial reign?

I truly believe that Mourinho, or any coach for the matter, would look to use top top young prospects if they were at the club and ready for first team action.

You don't drop a Hazard or Terry for a 17 year old Bob Smith that could turn into a world beater in the next five years. You stick with your strongest team that gives you the most chance of winning. Van Gaal would have done the same had it not been for the injury crisis.

If Young hadn't got injured then he'd have played the majority of games at left back and CBJ wound still be turning out for the reserves with half the United supporters in the world not even knowing who he was.
 
It's Arsenalisation, isn't it, our situation?

* The club's obsession with CL qualification, not titles.

* The longstanding youth policy of which the fans are proud and sentimental...but which, 'coincidentally', also saves the club money.

* The big-money signings meant to protect the brand or disarm fans' criticism. Anyway, why shouldn't a massively rich club like United be signing superstars over the years? Money saved again...

* The wilful ignorance of what the fans actually want, and the using of a few good results to justify the continuation of an unpopular managerial reign (and, perhaps, an unpopular managerial succession).

* Favouritism towards certain players, ruthlessness towards non-favourites. The exodus of disgruntled players/discarded players, leaving a squad of young players who are easily-moulded, and LVG loyalists.
 
Garethw said:
How many youngsters has Gus promoted since he took over from Jose?

Maybe Moutinho didn't promote youth players because there weren't any that were good enough.

We bang on about being a club that develops youth, but how many youngsters did Fergie promote from the youth setup and keep in the first team during the last 5 years of his managerial reign?

I truly believe that Mourinho, or any coach for the matter, would look to use top top young prospects if they were at the club and ready for first team action.

You don't drop a Hazard or Terry for a 17 year old Bob Smith that could turn into a world beater in the next five years. You stick with your strongest team that gives you the most chance of winning. Van Gaal would have done the same had it not been for the injury crisis.

If Young hadn't got injured then he'd have played the majority of games at left back and CBJ wound still be turning out for the reserves with half the United supporters in the world not even knowing who he was.
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They go on and on about Chelsea's kids but they have for years. Josh McEachran, Patrick Bamford, the list could go on and on. I would say only KDB and Lukaku were a mistake. Loftus-Cheeks is OK but not a world beater. If he had someone really outstanding or bought an outstanding kid from another club, I don't think he would have a problem playing them.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
They go on and on about Chelsea's kids but they have for years. Josh McEachran, Patrick Bamford, the list could go on and on. I would say only KDB and Lukaku were a mistake. Loftus-Cheeks is OK but not a world beater. If he had someone really outstanding or bought an outstanding kid from another club, I don't think he would have a problem playing them.
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KDB and Lukaku both wanted to leave even though Mourinho wanted to keep them.
 
SteveJ said:
It's Arsenalisation, isn't it, our situation?

* The club's obsession with CL qualification, not titles.

* The longstanding youth policy of which the fans are proud and sentimental...but which, 'coincidentally', also saves the club money.

* The big-money signings meant to protect the brand or disarm fans' criticism. Anyway, why shouldn't a massively rich club like United be signing superstars over the years? Money saved again...

* The wilful ignorance of what the fans actually want, and the using of a few good results to justify the continuation of an unpopular managerial reign (and, perhaps, an unpopular managerial succession).

* Favouritism towards certain players, ruthlessness towards non-favourites. The exodus of disgruntled players/discarded players, leaving a squad of young players who are easily-moulded, and LVG loyalists.
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Well summed up. I have no problem with kids being promoted. It's the statement that is was his plan all along. Rubbish. If we hadn't all these injuries most of the kids would be out on loan. CBJ, TFM and Varela look good, as does Rashford. However I think Shaw is better. There are better CB's out there. Rashford needs to be handled carefully. I don't want it that we don't sign quality to rely on these kids and then discard them when lo and behold teams know all about them and they cannot produce it next season. They need taking in and out of the side.

As you say it is like a way of getting some of the fans onside and LvG staying on for another year to bring even more kids through and then foist Giggs on us. We need more world class players in the side, even the CO92 had world class in with them, those world class players get overlooked in all the hype Becks and Co have surrounded themselves with.
 
Bojan11 said:
KDB and Lukaku both wanted to leave even though Mourinho wanted to keep them.
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He has proved in the past he has no problem giving good young players a chance. Santon, robben, balotelli, zouma... If they're good enough they get picked.
 
Questions for proponents of youth in the first team. Who is the last player(s) from the youth academy to break into the first team and become a mainstay for more than 1-2 seasons. Who have we sold for reasonable profit from the youth academy? Where are they now? Who did we deem not good enough that has gone on to be a good player elsewhere excluding Pogba?

These are reasonable questions and I'm not trolling.
 
Bojan11 said:
I wouldn't take that article seriously. Look how many articles Simon Mullock has written about Giggs taking over.
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Exactly. Almost as if there's an agenda.....

Expect an equally certain pro Mourinho article elsewhere over next few days.
 
peridigm said:
Questions for proponents of youth in the first team. Who is the last player(s) from the youth academy to break into the first team and become a mainstay for more than 1-2 seasons. Who have we sold for reasonable profit from the youth academy? Where are they now? Who did we deem not good enough that has gone on to be a good player elsewhere excluding Pogba?

These are reasonable questions and I'm not trolling.
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Google them.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Then that can't even be used against him by his critics.
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He bought Costa to be his main man after Lukaku returned from his break through spell at West Brom, he knew he wasnt going to get many starts after that and left.
Mourinho hardly picked De Bruyne at all, even Hazard advised KDB to leave and go where a manager rated him.
He's also done one or two other iffy moves like buying Salah, hardly used him, then fobbed him off and hes now showing at Roma he's actually a really good player.
 
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peridigm said:
Questions for proponents of youth in the first team. Who is the last player(s) from the youth academy to break into the first team and become a mainstay for more than 1-2 seasons. Who have we sold for reasonable profit from the youth academy? Where are they now? Who did we deem not good enough that has gone on to be a good player elsewhere excluding Pogba?

These are reasonable questions and I'm not trolling.
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Shawcross and Drinkwater, doubt we got much if anything for them and they aren't world beaters. Apart from Pogba I am struggling. Welbeck was sold too cheaply, has spent most of this season injured and I still think will be a bit part player.
 
Bojan11 said:
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/dec/25/romelu-lukaku-jose-mourinho-everton-chelsea

http://www.eurosport.co.uk/football...-not-to-sell-de-bruyne_sto4961797/story.shtml
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http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...by-his-own-team-mate-eden-hazard-8946578.html

It's like you can absolve Fergie for Pogba leaving, by saying he didn't want to let the player leave either, but the fact is.... he didn't play him...

Ditto Mourinho with both Lukaku, i.e. sending him out on loan the first season when he lacked a decent no.9 at all that first year, then buying his man Costa in the summer and letting a younger Lukaku leave.
And then De Bruyne, he hardly played him, opting to play Andre Schurrle instead, then binned him, bought Salah... binned him too, bought Cuadrado for huge money, then Pedro for the flanks, its like a comedy of errors.
 
BennyBlanco said:
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...by-his-own-team-mate-eden-hazard-8946578.html

It's like you can absolve Fergie for Pogba leaving, by saying he didn't want to let the player leave either, but the fact is.... he didn't play him...

Ditto Mourinho with both Lukaku, i.e. sending him out on loan the first season when he lacked a decent no.9 at all that first year, then buying his man Costa in the summer and letting a younger Lukaku leave.
And then De Bruyne, he hardly played him, opting to play Andre Schurrle instead, then binned him, bought Salah... binned him too, bought Cuadrado for huge money, then Pedro for the flanks, its like a comedy of errors.
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I agree that it was a mistake to not play Pogba. But to be fair, Pogba would have played every match next season if he had some patience. That tells me it was not important enough to play for Man Utd.

Young players should have some patience and wanting to play for the club.
 
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