BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho

Would you be happy to see Jose Mourinho become next United manager?


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It seems that on the transfer market United follows its manager instructions, so I guess that Moyes was responsible for Fellaini. And to be clear I don't blame Moyes for Fellaini, bad transfers and bad ideas happen.

I like to blame Moyes for everything, I actually blame him for van Gaal the most.

On a more serious note if we do get Jose I'm sure he will appreciate the bold bit as many a story about his misgivings with Roman Ambramovic and Arnesen, back in his first spell, getting involved with transfers and apparently signing players he did not even want. That wont happen here with the clubs stance on directors of football.
 
Meanwhile, one of the best managers of modern times is sitting on his arse doing nothing, and clubs domestically and on the continent, like City and Bayern, are hiring the best and have the blueprints for next season already done.
I realise this is a very pessimistic and doom soaked post but, feck me. We are the pits these days

This sums up the current situation.
 
I imagine they'll make Jose public only after it is mathematically impossible to get 4th place. That way they save on the LVG payout. That's what happened with Moyes, even though they'd made their mind up much earlier. Also takes pressure off new manager as the season is effectively over.

As our max points hall currently is 77, and City in 4th place only have 47, we're probably looking at April. Maybe after the Leicester game on 30 April?
 
This is utterly farcical at this stage.

Two men in their 70's, one who is supposed to be retired and David Gill, who is also supposed to have left the club, still trying to pull the strings, as we lie in no man's land in the league, in a shitty Thursday night second rate European competition, with our current manager demanding his players become horny.... And that's just the tip of the iceberg without going into our scouting system and youth academy

Meanwhile, one of the best managers of modern times is sitting on his arse doing nothing, and clubs domestically and on the continent, like City and Bayern, are hiring the best and have the blueprints for next season already done.

I realise this is a very pessimistic and doom soaked post but, feck me. We are the pits these days


A little dismissive of possibly the finest statesman in the game that we should be proud to have as ambassador of our club & THE greatest manager in United`s history. Along with David Gill I am more than happy to have these gents still influential at OT!
 
Yet another newspaper article by a journalist saying what another journalist supposedly told him, and people are taking it as gospel and going into overdrive with their criticism. All on the basis of a concocted story containing not one fact or quote.
 
I think for simplicity you would have to say Mourinho is the closest manager to Ferguson that currently exists.

Which is why it's so amazing when lots on here attack his personality and behaviour. We shouldn't condone it but you can't praise Ferguson on the one hand and then try to suggest Mourinho's ego and behaviour makes him unsuitable for the job.

Ferguson has the biggest ego I've ever seen in football. We didn't mind it that much when he was winning things. I don't think we'll mind it when Mourinho wins things.

Indeed. Fergie was the man opposition fans loved to hate. In fact, they still hate him - but I suspect most respect what he achieved in the game and would have had him at their club in a second if given the chance.

Meanwhile United fans didn't care what others thought of him and neither did he. He was at times unpalatable - making accusations against referees, refusing to speak to the BBC - there were numerous occasions when the same behaviour from another manager would have generated a lot more press. Fergie could effectivly, do what he liked.

Fergie is a good role model for Mourinho. He existed in his early years at United when controlling players - including their social lives if you believe the stories, was the norm and he ruled with an iron fist: cross him and he showed you the door, as many a good player found out to their cost. But he also learned to manage in the new era. When you think he managed players of the Bryan Robson ilk and then looked after the "new" type of player in the Ronaldo's and Nani's of the world. I suspect they're very different personalities.

Mourinho needs to mellow a bit if he's going to continue to be successful long term. United might be the place to do it.
 
BTW - for when he comes in, I'm wondering what do we think of his transfer business?

Pedro - 20 million
Baba Rahman - 15 million
Begovic - 9 million
Kenedy - 6 million
Falcao - 5 million loan
Michael Hector - 4 million
Papa Dijobodi - 3 million

Overall about 65 million pounds spent at Chelsea this year, do you think any of these might follow him to Old Trafford? How many of these type of signigns can we look forward towards?

Similarly the year before
Diego Costa - 30 million
Cesc - 25 million
Cuardardo - 25 million
Felipe Luis - 15 million
Remy - 10 million
Pasalic - 2 million


I'm wondering how much of Chelsea's 170 million pound spend we think worked out well for the club?

I'm wondering how many of those players he actually wanted, rather than them being thrust on him by the club. A lot of those players hardly got a look in. That suggests he wasn't impressed and might point to whether he wanted them at all.
 
A little dismissive of possibly the finest statesman in the game that we should be proud to have as ambassador of our club & THE greatest manager in United`s history. Along with David Gill I am more than happy to have these gents still influential at OT!

Some of the sentiment being levelled at individuals heavily responsible for making this club what it is is pretty shocking. I'm in favour of the old guard moving on but some of the invective being lobbed in the direction of SAF, SBC, Gill and Giggs is pretty appalling to my mind.

A couple of years without success really does not bring out the best in some fans and it seems that for some success should be achieved at all costs.
 
Some of the sentiment being levelled at individuals heavily responsible for making this club what it is is pretty shocking. I'm in favour of the old guard moving on but some of the invective being lobbed in the direction of SAF, SBC, Gill and Giggs is pretty appalling to my mind.

A couple of years without success really does not bring out the best in some fans and it seems that for some success should be achieved at all costs.
It's just that sometimes those whose time has past should get out of the way of the future. SAF was RUTHLESS in this respect. And even if SAF, SBC, Gill surely feel they have "the best interests of the club at heart" it doesn't make their judgements correct. They've had two cracks at it and failed.
 
After his comments yesterday about a summer return being his preference and that a mid season takeover of a club would only happen under extreme circumstances (LVG gets sacked), I'm pretty confident that this is a done deal and he'll be in charge come the first game of the season.
 
Some of the sentiment being levelled at individuals heavily responsible for making this club what it is is pretty shocking. I'm in favour of the old guard moving on but some of the invective being lobbed in the direction of SAF, SBC, Gill and Giggs is pretty appalling to my mind.

A couple of years without success really does not bring out the best in some fans and it seems that for some success should be achieved at all costs.

couldnt agree more

half of them probably wouldnt even support Utd if not for Fergie
 
Just had a thought after reading an article on the whole Chelsea / Mourinho / Eva Carneiro case

Is it possible United don't want to get Mourinho in until the whole court case is solved? If he were to become our manager a few weeks ago when things were going t1ts up, we'd now be in the situation of United becoming involved in the court case as he'd be our manager. Hence perhaps United want to wait till it all blows over?

just a thought anyway
 
couldnt agree more

half of them probably wouldnt even support Utd if not for Fergie

I don't like it when people say that others "aren't really fans" but anyone slagging Fergie off or saying he doesn't care about the club really aren't fans and are obviously more interested in the glory of supporting a winning side or getting the bragging rights over their mates rather than actual true supporters of the club.

It matters not where you live, or how many times you go to OT, if at all, but what DOES MATTER is that you support your club through thick and thin. You take the rough with the smooth. Obviously people have the right to moan and criticise, and I think they should, because it is healthy to do so, but to slag off and be so disrespectful towards the club, players past and present, and especially SAF is not on in my book. Sir Alex made many mistakes, he is not above criticism, nor should he be, but some of the vitriol showed towards him is beyond disrespectful. Those so called fans can feck off as far as I am concerned and have absolutely no idea what supporting a club (any club) is all about. They should do us all a favour and feck off to Support Celtic or Barca or whoever else is almost guaranteed to win something every single year.
 
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A little dismissive of possibly the finest statesman in the game that we should be proud to have as ambassador of our club & THE greatest manager in United`s history. Along with David Gill I am more than happy to have these gents still influential at OT!

It's not dismissive. The growing feeling towards them is based on what they have done in their roles. You can appreciate both of these men whilst questioning their current roles within the club.

Ferguson stepped down, rather suddenly and a massive opportunity opened up for us to move on as a club. We needed a real high quality manager to succeed him and take us on further from where we were. The playing style was dire, the squad from 2009 onwards wasn't reflective of the status United have.

Apparently, we are lead to believe Ferguson suggested David Fecking Moyes to replace him.

Apparently, Charlton didn't want Mourinho who should have been the one to replace him.

It's not dismissive to question their ability to make decisions at that upstairs level.

They are 70 year old men who increasingly appear out of touch. Make no mistake though, I have no doubt their influence will continue to decrease should they make more mistakes as bad as Moyes. So either way, it'll sort itself out I feel.
 
One day I think Mourinho is coming in the summer because of a clean slate, the next I think it's gonna be Giggs. I have no idea what is going to happen.
 
Some of the sentiment being levelled at individuals heavily responsible for making this club what it is is pretty shocking. I'm in favour of the old guard moving on but some of the invective being lobbed in the direction of SAF, SBC, Gill and Giggs is pretty appalling to my mind.

A couple of years without success really does not bring out the best in some fans and it seems that for some success should be achieved at all costs.

Even sadder when those opinions are a result from media gossip that likely isn't true.
 
I wonder why Gill is against Jose or if he is just siding with SBC and fergie on this matter.

It's entirely possible what happened this season at Chelsea has changed his mind. Maybe he has info none of us know?
 
Personally, I think some people at United don't want Jose simply because of the trouble he causes and they want to maintain their reputation and don't want to be embarrassed on a regular basis. I don't think they want the baggage he brings, as I think they still see themselves as being better than that. Fergie caused trouble on numerous occasions, and the club always backed him, but I don't think he would have been taken on in the first place if he had acted the way he did at United at other clubs prior to his arrival (falling out with the BBC is a perfect example). I can understand their point to a certain extent, and agree that reputation comes before success, again to a certain extent, but I think that it has gone past that with the appointments and failures of Moyes and LvG, and that if there really is nobody better, then they should and have to go for Jose.

Fergie and Gill and Sir Bobby made it abundantly clear that they wouldn't tolerate any player being bigger than the club and that point was proved time and time again with players like Beckham, RvN and Keane being given the boot, and I think they obviously feel exactly the same way regarding the manager of Manchester United. And although I agree with that sentiment completely, I honestly don't think Jose would think he was bigger than United, and hopefully the way he left Real Madrid and more recently Chelsea would have taught him a little humility and maybe, just maybe, Jose and United would compliment each other perfectly.
 
Some of the sentiment being levelled at individuals heavily responsible for making this club what it is is pretty shocking. I'm in favour of the old guard moving on but some of the invective being lobbed in the direction of SAF, SBC, Gill and Giggs is pretty appalling to my mind.

A couple of years without success really does not bring out the best in some fans and it seems that for some success should be achieved at all costs.

I'm not being vindictive but, Fergie and this entire forum were eager to avoid the mistakes made when Busby retired. Yet, here we are. Making the same mistakes again.

It's very easy to appreciate someone and respect and admire them for what they have done but, yet also know when they make mistakes. I love my father and respect him more than anyone in the world but, if he fecks up, I'm not gonna ignore it.

Fergie chose Moyes. Now he's saying he didn't choose Moyes and Moyes wasn't first choice. A complete 180 on events in 2013. In Moyes' season, Fergie was apparently hanging around the area outside the dressing room on matchdays (Moyes told Keys this on Bein sports) and he also travelled on the team bus to a few European away games that season. Now, if rumours are to be believed, he's trying to get Giggs in. For a retired manager, it all seems a bit much and harks back to stories we read about the post Busby era, i.e Charlton running back to Busby complaining about McGuinness etc

I also don't get the whole thing of using Mourinho's behavior against him, when Fergie was just as bad, if not worse. Maybe success makes people ignore that.

Don't get me wrong. I love Fergie and I think he's the greatest thing since Status Quo. I owe the man a lot as those years I went to matches with him in charge were the best days of my life but, I don't think he should have power now. He's retired. The club needs to be lead into a new era.
 
I wonder why Gill is against Jose or if he is just siding with SBC and fergie on this matter.

I think there's probably a bit of politics going on there. He's always had a great working relationship with SAF and SBC, I doub't he wants to stick his neck out and disagree with them over this, especially as it's something they seem to feel strongly about.
 
Personally, I think some people at United don't want Jose simply because of the trouble he causes and they want to maintain their reputation and don't want to be embarrassed on a regular basis. I don't think they want the baggage he brings, as I think they still see themselves as being better than that. Fergie caused trouble on numerous occasions, and the club always backed him, but I don't think he would have been taken on in the first place if he had acted the way he did at United at other clubs prior to his arrival (falling out with the BBC is a perfect example). I can understand their point to a certain extent, and agree that reputation comes before success, again to a certain extent, but I think that it has gone past that with the appointments and failures of Moyes and LvG, and that if there really is nobody better, then they should and have to go for Jose.

Fergie and Gill and Sir Bobby made it abundantly clear that they wouldn't tolerate any player being bigger than the club and that point was proved time and time again with players like Beckham, RvN and Keane being given the boot, and I think they obviously feel exactly the same way regarding the manager of Manchester United. And although I agree with that sentiment completely, I honestly don't think Jose would think he was bigger than United, and hopefully the way he left Real Madrid and more recently Chelsea would have taught him a little humility and maybe, just maybe, Jose and United would compliment each other perfectly.

Good post. But, to be fair, Wayne Rooney is now bigger than Manchester United.

Hope you're recovering well
 
I think there's probably a bit of politics going on there. He's always had a great working relationship with SAF and SBC, I doub't he wants to stick his neck out and disagree with them over this, especially as it's something they seem to feel strongly about.

He did say recently that maybe it's best if Giggs went and managed somewhere else first did he not? Although, it was a very diplomatic way of saying it
 
He did say recently that maybe it's best if Giggs went and managed somewhere else first did he not? Although, it was a very diplomatic way of saying it

Contesting Mourinho and backing Giggs aren't mutually exclusive though.
 
It's entirely possible what happened this season at Chelsea has changed his mind. Maybe he has info none of us know?

I think this appointment is becoming more about setting precedent for the club in the coming decade. Will we be changing our policy altogether by hiring and firing managers or just sticking with what Ferguson or Charlton are advocating. In any case, all reports coming out so far suggest different idealogies clashing over which direction our club should be heading.
 
Hope you're recovering well

Thank you :)

I think this appointment is becoming more about setting precedent for the club in the coming decade. Will we be changing our policy altogether by hiring and firing managers or just sticking with what Ferguson or Charlton are advocating. In any case, all reports coming out so far suggest different ideologies clashing over which direction our club should be heading.

I think that sums it up quite nicely.
 
Fair point, Jose's transfer record lately has been a bit shit... Not sure if he still has a knack to find top talent and bring the best out of them
 
That's actually a very good point. And the fact it could rumble on til early June at the latest makes sense too. Ed and Jose have agreed in principle. Van Gaal see's out the season and Jose comes in July 1st.

I just can't see anything else. Giggs would be manager by now otherwise. And Jose would have denied it if he knew he wasn't getting the job. He denied the Inter rumours straight away.
Did anyone ask outright if he was going to Utd ?
 
Some of the sentiment being levelled at individuals heavily responsible for making this club what it is is pretty shocking. I'm in favour of the old guard moving on but some of the invective being lobbed in the direction of SAF, SBC, Gill and Giggs is pretty appalling to my mind.

A couple of years without success really does not bring out the best in some fans and it seems that for some success should be achieved at all costs.

couldnt agree more

half of them probably wouldnt even support Utd if not for Fergie

I don't like it when people say that others "aren't really fans" but anyone slagging Fergie off or saying he doesn't care about the club really aren't fans and are obviously more interested in the glory of supporting a winning side or getting the bragging rights over their mates rather than actual true supporters of the club.

It matters not where you live, or how many times you go to OT, if at all, but what DOES MATTER is that you support your club through thick and thin. You take the rough with the smooth. Obviously people have the right to moan and criticise, and I think they should, because it is healthy to do so, but to slag off and be so disrespectful towards the club, players past and present, and especially SAF is not on in my book. Sir Alex made many mistakes, he is not above criticism, nor should he be, but some of the vitriol showed towards him is beyond disrespectful. Those so called fans can feck off as far as I am concerned and have absolutely no idea what supporting a club (any club) is all about. They should do us all a favour and feck off to Support Celtic or Barca or whoever else is almost guaranteed to win something every single year.
Spot on lads.
 
1. SAF retired as manager, not from all involvement.
2. David Gill remains a director
3. The guy 'sitting on his arse' is highly likely contractually restricted from working in England this season
4. It's the fecking daily mirror
The last point should be enough in itself to dismiss pretty much everything written there.
 
I'm not 100% sure who or next manager will be but with all the talk here and abroad it points to mourihno.It reminds me of how sure all the papers were that Pep was going to city.Making his targets before he even came,feels very familiar.I think everybody can agree that the Dutch horny clown won't be in charge next season.People have gone to almost hysterical lengths of what they believe is happening.That ferguson and Charlton/Gill are stopping it.There was even a silly rumour of arsenal at the end of the season.The desperation and arguing about something we don't have all the facts to is outrageous.Feck red issue as well,you would think they were at the boardroom meeting's with the amount of info they are leaking,nonsense!

It's going to be a long fecking season in this thread. All we know is that Mourihno wants a new management job,there have most likely been talks(bbc,half of Europe reporting it) and van gaal will not be running the club unless he wins the treble(which is as likely as Liverpool winning a treble this season).Everybody calm down a bit and wait to see. The only good thing about mourihno not coming would be how this thread would react ha..
 
It's just that sometimes those whose time has past should get out of the way of the future. SAF was RUTHLESS in this respect. And even if SAF, SBC, Gill surely feel they have "the best interests of the club at heart" it doesn't make their judgements correct. They've had two cracks at it and failed.

I understand that and agree the club needs modernising. It's not what needs doing I have a problem with it's the way these things get discussed on here. Some of the very people who have made this club great are having their legacies almost dismissed out of hand. We're witnessing SAFs tenure now being picked apart to the point you wonder how we managed to win anything whilst legendary players such as Giggs and SBC are being derided as parasites and needing to be escorted from the premises. And I think a lot of this is fuelled by some fans desperate need for us to win taking preference over what is best for the club.
 
Bit harsh.

Some people never had a choice in the matter
Whats harsh about it?

If Utd hadnt been as successful we wouldnt have nearly as many supporters around the world. Fergie is the number one reason we had that success.
 
I understand that and agree the club needs modernising. It's not what needs doing I have a problem with it's the way these things get discussed on here. Some of the very people who have made this club great are having their legacies almost dismissed out of hand. We're witnessing SAFs tenure now being picked apart to the point you wonder how we managed to win anything whilst legendary players such as Giggs and SBC are being derided as parasites and needing to be escorted from the premises. And I think a lot of this is fuelled by some fans desperate need for us to win taking preference over what is best for the club.

The best interest for the club is a world class manager. We had one and then replaced him with Valencia and Michael Owen, just like our previously shit transfers. Once we have hopefully Mourinho in place we will look threatening again. Our squad is actually top 3, the job at hand it not difficult for the right guy.
 
Whats harsh about it?

If Utd hadnt been as successful we wouldnt have nearly as many supporters around the world. Fergie is the number one reason we had that success.

Suppose so.

Unfortunately, some of us didn't have a choice and had United beat into us. Only other club I was allowed to even look at was Milan :drool:
 
Wow the debate caused by that article I posted... thanks to those that reminded me the journalist is a Liverpool supporter - hope that means he's making mischief. The problem is in every newspaper article that mentions this about SAF etc - they always seem to allude to the fact that there's a division at the club and that Giggs has the unqualified support of the 'three wise men'. I think that's why when these articles come around, one can't help but feel uneasy...

In any case, let's hope this is resolved one way or the other soon.

In the meantime, to lighten the mood here is a comment from a reader under that Mirror article that mentions us! :D


"Look up redcafe, the most popular United fan site in the world. Majority of United fan want Mourinho over Giggs."
 
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