Bah! Now I'm feeling all hopeful again. It'll be Giggs for sure at this rate....
BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho
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Bah! Now I'm feeling all hopeful again. It'll be Giggs for sure at this rate....
Sir Alex Ferguson to retire as Manchester United manager - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/22447018
Announced 8th May.
David Moyes: Manchester United appoint Everton boss - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/22453802
Announced 9th May.
Edit: I see you've addressed it.
I reckon this was the day we told him that we wanted him as our next manager.
http://thepeoplesperson.com/2015/05/22/woodward-spotted-with-mourinho-and-cechs-agent-96827/
http://thepeoplesperson.com/2015/05/22/woodward-spotted-with-mourinho-and-cechs-agent-96827/
Hughes? Based on what?
Ex Man Utd player, and an old hero of mine, has done well at Blackburn and Stoke, experienced in the premier league, likes to play attacking football. A big club is the next stage for him. There's no guarantee it would work, but there's no guarantee Mourinho will work.
And about as qualified as Moyes was.
Big club? You mean like at City where he failed.
Everyone fails at City.
Roque Santa Hughes.
At some point, teams have to take a punt, otherwise no one will be qualified. Barca have done it, Real have done it.
Obviously not, but the chance of Mourinho working out is significantly higher than Hughes. The club got to be done with gambling at this stage.
That's fine. But they have a team of superstars. We have taken one punt on Moyes, and then took somewhat of a gamble on LVG. Neither worked. We need to play safe now and get back to the top of the game.
Barca and Real Madrid can always take "punts" as their teams will always have world class players and the worst they'd finish is 3rd.
We don't have a squad full of world class players. Premier league is more competitive than La Liga.
Mourinho is definitely going to United, and so the what if's don't matter at the moment. But if Mourinho also fails, what then?
Grovel to Ancelotti?
Grovel to Ancelotti?
They took a punt on guys who managed their B teams and on players who were leaders at their clubs. Giggs has never been a leader at this club and is just as spineless and lacking in direction in his personal life too.
Erm he is going to Bayern.
We took a punt on Moyes and appointed a dinosaur soon after our first mistake. Come on, can we afford another poor decision?
To be fair there were very strong rumours that SAF was retiring from the weekend before, which forced the club into releasing the official statement that Ferguson was retiring.
We are the red devils, and we need to bring the hate and fear back to OT, and Mourinho could be Lucifer himself that could bring fear back to the gates of hell which OT used to be, we are like hell where the opponents are not feeling the heat, but feeling a nice tan because of the clowns managing our teams are out of their depth, or past their prime. I look at leaders in movies, Mordor has Sauron, the citadel has the Immortan Joe, the death star has Emperor palpatine, the decepticons has Megatron, we are lacking that Pyramid where the manager puts himself on the pedestal and rules like an iron fist, and everyone around him responds. I am not fully saying we need a dictator of a manager, but we need a manager that the players could respond to, Mourinho maybe that man or he could end up like VG not who he was, who knows. But we need that leadership brought back to OT management, we are like a ship without a rudder and its painful
Pep was at Bayern, but that didn't stop City.
What? There's a big difference. One was out of contract and the other has signed a contract for next season.
So how exactly do you plan on getting Ancelotti?
Stoke have scored 27 goals in 26 league games. Where does this myth come from?
2-3 years from now? Anything can happen in football.
He is talking about now.
Was there? I remember huge rumours the night before coming out, but nothing from the week before. I may not recall.
This is going to be good.No he's not. Read his post again - he says what if Mourinho fails, which will pretty much be 2-3 years from now if anything.
EDIT: maybe I misread it. I thought he was asking what happens if Mourinho fails like Moyes and LvG did after joining us.
Ancelotti will still be under contract though, if he isn't sacked.
Yep.
You think managers are tied to contracts?
My point was that if Mourinho failed, and people only want managers who've won trophies, would they want us to go after the ones already at other clubs, or possibly take a punt on a manager looking to go to the next level?
Geez, people needs to calm down with the Giggs rumour. The British press doesn't have a clue, especially when it's the Mirror and Sun
I think it's pretty much confirmed by now that Mourinho will be our manager. It is very likely that is has been decided a while ago. Aside from any possible clause of gardening leave when he left Chelsea, there's also rumours that Jose also respect Van Gaal too much to take his job in the middle of the season. I think the level of shiteness that LvG produce so far is not something that they foresee. You'd think that with all the support they gave, van Gaal would at least reached Champions League place.
The team is in such a bad state now I don't think giving Mourinho the job now would make much difference. I think we would still be out of the Europa League, and would not be in the Champions League come the end of the season. The best thing is to ride this season out and let Mourinho sort it out in the summer.
I think it's pretty much confirmed by now that Mourinho will be our manager. It is very likely that is has been decided a while ago. Aside from any possible clause of gardening leave when he left Chelsea, there's also rumours that Jose also respect Van Gaal too much to take his job in the middle of the season. I think the level of shiteness that LvG produce so far is not something that they foresee. You'd think that with all the support they gave, van Gaal would at least reached Champions League place.
The team is in such a bad state now I don't think giving Mourinho the job now would make much difference. I think we would still be out of the Europa League, and would not be in the Champions League come the end of the season. The best thing is to ride this season out and let Mourinho sort it out in the summer.
That is extremely poor reasoning.
There's no guarantee that rehiring Sir Alex would work compared to making Rooney player-manager seeing as we havent tried either.
Logical thinking while considering their respective pedigrees, past success and handling of similar high pressure jobs means that the probability of one working is significantly higher than the other.
That's how candidates in almost all walks of life are considered and decided for jobs.
It wasn't the week before mate i don't think. I don't remember the timeline exactly but wasn't there a charity Golf event that Ferguson attended where the rumours started flying around on the sunday/monday. And then it was at least 3-4 days before the official announcement on wednesday/thursday as i remember it.
Could be wrong with some of the details but from the day the strong rumours broke to all but confirm SAF was leaving until Moyes official appointment was at least a few days.
And that's why Mourinho will be the man.
Some people value other principles besides success at all costs.
No.
The ability to do the job is just a basic requirement of actually getting. Thats why hired Alex Ferguson in 86. An amazing candidate.
The club isnt going to hire Hughes on some misplaced notion of romanticism. Thankfully so.
Date of that picture is May 2015.
For a club of United's ambition you really need a coach who has managed a team/teams in title races and CL/EL campaigns or similar before and preferably won a few.
In the case of Mark Hughes he is now in his 50's and has only ever managed mid-table sides, that builds a slightly different skill set and experience base i think to managing a top club competing for honours. I can't think of one manager who got a top job for the first time in their 50's having only ever managed mid-table and went onto be a success. Look at how Moyes turned out, and he was Mr mid-table.
If we were taking a punt it would have to be similar one to the Alex Ferguson appointment. A young manager in his early 40's who has seen success managing in one of the smaller leagues maybe.
But Giggs.
The board isn't going to hire Giggs as manager on that very reason either.
Even SAF in an interview recently stated in an interview it's a long drawn out process.
Go to 55:13 on the video where they are talking about succession.
The whole argument about the process being naive is a complete myth and it still baffles me that reasons like Giggs are thrown out there, he's not manager yet.
The have stated if he had retired earlier (Giggs) and had 4 years experience under SAF then maybe, but at this stage with United being the state that it's in, the landscape has changed.
They need to be the biggest club in England targeting European success before a gamble can be taken again.
This is now getting too quiet after yesterday
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