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Brilliant news. Hopefully Kroos and Boateng will follow soon.
Stop rubbing it in Balu
Surely you can afford to send Kroos our way?
Brilliant news. Hopefully Kroos and Boateng will follow soon.
let's hope it's Schweinsteiger and he comes to us
forget that nonsense about moles. Some players have always been close to certain media, including current members of the board, and it has been actively encouraged in the past. They used to hand out lists with the players cellphone numbers to the pundits in the nineties
No one will get fired, it was Peps way of making clear there is a thin line they shouldn't cross, that is all.
Our injury crisis continues. Robben is out for at least 6 weeks after Augsburg's goalkeeper accidentally slit his knee open when both players crashed into each other early in the game yesterday.
With Schweinsteiger, Shaqiri, Pizarro and Lahm still out, Ribery returning from his broken rib and Götze also still not fit enough to last 90minutes our attacking options are really limited. Outside of our defense only Mandzukic, Müller and Kroos haven't struggled with injuries and the latter two look really tired after playing every single game so far and with the club world cup coming up we still have a lot of games till the winterbreak.
Something positive, Hoijberg was subbed on for the first time this season. Would be great if some of the young talents get a few more minutes the next weeks, Julian Green already played a few minutes in the CL game in Moscow. I'd love to see those 2 start a game in the next weeks.
There are still rumours that hint in that direction, never heard anything like that since the season started? A few so called experts were talking bullshit before and during the summer and ignored several statements by Rummenigge that Robben plays an important part in Pep's ideas for the team, so there were rumours about him leaving in the summer, which were never true at all. Hoeness recently talked about a contract extension, we want him to stay and Robben wants to continue to play for the club. He's playing great, arguably better than ever before, he's working hard within the team and it even looks like his teammates like him a lot.Are the rumours that him and Pep don't get along true?
There are still rumours that hint in that direction, never heard anything like that since the season started? A few so called experts were talking bullshit before and during the summer and ignored several statements by Rummenigge that Robben plays an important part in Pep's ideas for the team, so there were rumours about him leaving in the summer, which were never true at all. Hoeness recently talked about a contract extension, we want him to stay and Robben wants to continue to play for the club. He's playing great, arguably better than ever before, he's working hard within the team and it even looks like his teammates like him a lot.
Oh, totally forgot, yeah that was a short incident. But Robben and the club got over it pretty quick. I think that was more of a missunderstanding than really something that could have a longterm effect on him or the team.Ah righto. I saw the incident with the penalty and thought there were issues there. Quality player, you guys are lucky to have him.
Robben was and always will be a bit of a selfish prick (though less so today than in the past), but Pep is smart enough to know that he has 16-17 brilliant players but only a few potential game winners.Oh, totally forgot, yeah that was a short incident. But Robben and the club got over it pretty quick. I think that was more of a missunderstanding than really something that could have a longterm effect on him or the team.
For example, would it be better to get rid of Moyes quickly as Bayern did with Klinsmann? Anything else?
I'm a bit bored, and I was just reading the mass panic thread in the United forum about the exodus we'll face if we don't qualify for the CL, so I decided to do some research on Bayern (using that ever-trustworthy tool of academia, Wikipedia…) Anyway, I started with the 2006-7 season, a season in which Bayern finished 4th, and missed qualifying for the CL.
I then did a season-by-season progression (a fascinating way to get lost in the wiki rabbit hole by the way,) and looked at the way the team changed over the seasons. Apart from a few constants (ie. Schweinsteiger and Lahm,) the team looks to have changed considerably over the years, whether through players being promoted through the ranks (Muller, Kroos being the ones that jumped out,) or transfers (Ribery, Robben, Gustavo, Neuer, etc.) as well as players being phased out (Toni, Podolski, Klose, etc.) As well, there was a carousel of managers, from Klinsman to Heynckes, to Van Gaal and back to Heynckes (I may have missed a few.)
I don't know what conclusions to draw from all this, other than to say that we're hardly the first big club to go through crisis periods. I would be interested in hearing from our Bayern fans here on what they feel is the thread running through the club that has allowed it to bounce back so successfully through the years. Is it a strong director of football? A faith in the academy coupled with wise transfer spending? And of course, are there any lessons we can learn from this? For example, would it be better to get rid of Moyes quickly as Bayern did with Klinsmann? Anything else?
They're a very rich club (particularly vis a vis their Bundesliga rivals) so they could pay big fees and wages. Man Utd can't outspend City/Chelsea.
I'm a bit bored, and I was just reading the mass panic thread in the United forum about the exodus we'll face if we don't qualify for the CL, so I decided to do some research on Bayern (using that ever-trustworthy tool of academia, Wikipedia…) Anyway, I started with the 2006-7 season, a season in which Bayern finished 4th, and missed qualifying for the CL.
I then did a season-by-season progression (a fascinating way to get lost in the wiki rabbit hole by the way,) and looked at the way the team changed over the seasons. Apart from a few constants (ie. Schweinsteiger and Lahm,) the team looks to have changed considerably over the years, whether through players being promoted through the ranks (Muller, Kroos being the ones that jumped out,) or transfers (Ribery, Robben, Gustavo, Neuer, etc.) as well as players being phased out (Toni, Podolski, Klose, etc.) As well, there was a carousel of managers, from Klinsman to Heynckes, to Van Gaal and back to Heynckes (I may have missed a few.)
I don't know what conclusions to draw from all this, other than to say that we're hardly the first big club to go through crisis periods. I would be interested in hearing from our Bayern fans here on what they feel is the thread running through the club that has allowed it to bounce back so successfully through the years. Is it a strong director of football? A faith in the academy coupled with wise transfer spending? And of course, are there any lessons we can learn from this? For example, would it be better to get rid of Moyes quickly as Bayern did with Klinsmann? Anything else?
Massively outspending their rivals (spent £77m in 08 and £65m in 10, plus megawages).No doubt, but a quick glance at their transfer dealings during the 2007-2010 years actually shows a fair bit of restraint (big signing like Ribery Robben and Gomez, complemented by the likes of Gustavo and Timoschuck.)
No doubt, but a quick glance at their transfer dealings during the 2007-2010 years actually shows a fair bit of restraint (big signing like Ribery Robben and Gomez, complemented by the likes of Gustavo and Timoschuck.)
How has Thiago been playing?
Of course the club and the league weren't in a comparable situation to United and the premier league now, but if we ignore that, I think the most interesting thing about Bayern's development in the last years is that you rarely have a manger that can do it all and that fire and hire isn't always a bad thing. You can have stability despite changing the manager, you just need someone with a bigger plan and smart (or lucky) enough to find the right coach for the next step. Strongwalker already wrote a bit about it above, but if your interested here's a bit more from me.I'm a bit bored, and I was just reading the mass panic thread in the United forum about the exodus we'll face if we don't qualify for the CL, so I decided to do some research on Bayern (using that ever-trustworthy tool of academia, Wikipedia…) Anyway, I started with the 2006-7 season, a season in which Bayern finished 4th, and missed qualifying for the CL.
I then did a season-by-season progression (a fascinating way to get lost in the wiki rabbit hole by the way,) and looked at the way the team changed over the seasons. Apart from a few constants (ie. Schweinsteiger and Lahm,) the team looks to have changed considerably over the years, whether through players being promoted through the ranks (Muller, Kroos being the ones that jumped out,) or transfers (Ribery, Robben, Gustavo, Neuer, etc.) as well as players being phased out (Toni, Podolski, Klose, etc.) As well, there was a carousel of managers, from Klinsman to Heynckes, to Van Gaal and back to Heynckes (I may have missed a few.)
I don't know what conclusions to draw from all this, other than to say that we're hardly the first big club to go through crisis periods. I would be interested in hearing from our Bayern fans here on what they feel is the thread running through the club that has allowed it to bounce back so successfully through the years. Is it a strong director of football? A faith in the academy coupled with wise transfer spending? And of course, are there any lessons we can learn from this? For example, would it be better to get rid of Moyes quickly as Bayern did with Klinsmann? Anything else?
Of course the club and the league weren't in a comparable situation to United and the premier league now, but if we ignore that, I think the most interesting thing about Bayern's development in the last years is that you rarely have a manger that can do it all and that fire and hire isn't always a bad thing. You can have stability despite changing the manager, you just need someone with a bigger plan and smart (or lucky) enough to find the right coach for the next step. Strongwalker already wrote a bit about it above, but if your interested here's a bit more from me.
After Hitzfeld's second spell, the club needed a massive overhaul and Klinsmann started that process. He changed the attitude of the club, he started rebuilding the infrastructure and modernising our training facilites, he also brought new ideas into the club, quite a few idiotic ones, but also some important ones. He is a shockingly bad coach though, therefore he had to go.
After that van Gaal was the perfect choice, because he teached the squad basics about football that simply weren't there before, especially when it comes to the importance of movement off the ball, but also technique. He was a massive idiot, and there was no way he could stay for more than 2 years without everyone at the club going mental, but it was again an important step for the club that probably no one could have done better than him, maybe Bielsa, who's probably comparable mental and extreme in his ideas, but also not very nice to the wishes of players, therefore great to change something, but absolute impossible to stay longterm.
Then the time was right for Heynckes to come back. Because of his relation with Hoeness, he could reunite the club after all the fighting in the season before, he was great in man management and he was smart enough to build on van Gaal's work, but also the right man to give the team the balance we missed in van Gaal's extreme ideas by finding a defensive concept that works well with the highly technical possession game, van Gaal teached. Both Heynckes and van Gaal trusted our youth players and build around them, that helped a lot and gave the team a brilliant identity as well.
None of those managers could have done all of that on their own, so all 3 deserve some credit for where the club is now. Getting rid of Klinsmann and van Gaal early didn't make hireing them a mistake and even if a different manager that stayed throughout might have given us more stability on the pitch, we probably wouldn't have reached the level we are now. Guardiola now is just the tip of the iceberg and arguably the only manager in today's game who could take the team even further, because so far it looks like he combines the best of van Gaal and Heynckes. But it's of course too early to say what he brings to the club after that crazy ride in the last 5 years.
So to answer your question, I don't know if it's right to get rid of Moyes now. It depends on what the plans are for the club. If the idea is to continue to work like the last 25 years, Moyes might still be the right choice. He most likely won't be as successful as Ferguson was but that's probably impossible for whoever takes over. Doing what Bayern did is certainly more difficult because of the at the top crazy competitive league right now and also maybe not what the club wants. It's not necessary to change the whole philosophy and the playing style, the club as a whole just needs to do better at what they are trying to do right now and it's far from certain that there is a better manager for it than Moyes available. Ideally, the club would have planed ahead, maybe talked to Klopp if he'd be interested in taking over when his contract at Dortmund was up in 2016, then brought someone like Mourinho in for the transitional phase, accept 2-3 years of entertaining chaos so that Ferguson's legacy wouldn't have been a problem anymore and the club could have been prepared for a new longterm solution of the highest quality. But you rarely get the ideal solution in football, let alone are able to plan more than one year ahead.
To me, letting go of Moyes during his first season looks like cutting your losses early without any benefit for the club at all, that's not what happened at Bayern when we fired Klinsmann. Klinsmann was progress (in a very strange way).
Cheers, that was a great read. I find it very interesting that when we talk about the culture of hiring and then quickly firing managers (something that many feel is to be avoided at all costs,) we inevitably point to Chelsea, City and Real. Yet Bayern has seen their own fair share of managerial turnover, and not been mentioned in the same way.
I also think that Bayern have spent very well over the last few years. Of course people on here will point to their purchasing power relative to other Bundesliga teams, but the team has now ascended to the top of European football, so it can't simply be about outspending your domestic rivals. Players like Ribery and Robben, while undoubtedly quality players, weren't really of the galactico mood, and yet they've proven to be ideal fits for the team.
Ribery was very highly rated when he moved to Bayern. Robben was a good punt by them.
But they have risen to the top of Europe by a combination of young players coming through and spending heavily. Some of their most important players right now - Ribery, Martinez, Nuer, Gotze all came for big money.
Ribery was, after his WC performances, very hot again, a bit similar to Cabaye last year, only more so.To be fair, Robben was a last minute panic buy after we massively fecked up the start to the season. There was no bigger plan in play, we sucked, Real wanted to get rid, we took the risk despite him struggling with injuries all the time. Only in the last 3 years, there was a clear idea of how we want to play and what players actually improve the team. Martinez certainly is the perfect example, Thiago and Götze also fall into that category.
Benitez won it with Inter against an African team, if I remember correctly.I can't recall the last time the South American champion didn't make the final.
It's Southamerican not Southafrican .
Anyway, I was actually looking forward to see Ronadinho play against Bayern, incredible that they lost today. At least, the stadium will be sold out now and the atmosphere should be way better than in the incredibly boring semifinal yesterday.
FC Bayern München and Allianz, the club’s partner of many years, are further extending their partnership. As part of a capital increase in return for stock, Allianz SE will acquire an 8.33 percent stake in FC Bayern München AG. In return for the stock thus acquired, FC Bayern München AG will receive €110 million.
Allianz thus becomes the third strategic partner of FC Bayern München AG after adidas and AUDI. All three companies are headquartered in the Free State of Bavaria.
As a result of the capital increase the three shareholders will each hold 8.33 percent of FC Bayern München AG (the joint stock company). In accordance with the club’s statutes, the main shareholder remains FC Bayern München e.V. and its members (the members’ club) with 75 percent of the stock.
“We are all extremely pleased to place our partnership with a partner of many years, a global company at home in the world of sport and boasting a high affinity to football, on a completely new foundation,” commented Jan-Christian Dreesen, FC Bayern München AG board member responsible for finance. “Allianz is a company active around the world, which like FC Bayern is based in Munich. Allianz has been a trusted partner of our club for a long time. Our partnership is exemplified by many things including the naming rights to the Allianz Arena since 2005.”
“Today is a big day for FC Bayern,” confirmed Uli Hoeneß, FC Bayern München e.V. president and chairman of the club’s supervisory board. “The club’s executive committee and advisory committee approved this decision unanimously. With the three Bavarian companies Allianz, adidas and AUDI, FC Bayern has a Triple-A of partners. It is a dream and we are very proud, because it shows the strength of this club.”
It is intended to use the €110 million FC Bayern München will receive for the stock for two of the club’s important projects:
“FC Bayern München has thus once again set in place the basis of a solid, financially secure future for the club,” affirmed Jan-Christian Dreesen.
- To pay down the club’s remaining obligations on the Allianz Arena in Munich. FC Bayern München’s stadium would then be debt free.
- For the planned reconstruction of the youth and junior facility in Munich.