We haven't signed anyone like that since Hargreaves, and then Veron before. We hardly ever do, most of our signings are prospects and even more so recently. Schweinsteiger would cost £15m+ in the Summer even with one year left on his deal and would probably demand £100k a week which gives £5m a year - and a huge signing on fee. So he'd effectively cost us £50m over the next five years, and he wouldn't have a very good re-sale value in the future. I'm not sure we can afford it at the moment, we'll likely look for someone younger who could be sold on in the future if we needed it. Besides we couldn't compete with Chelsea for a signature of Ballack when we were in a better financial state than we're right now, what makes you think we'd be able to compete with the likes of Real Madrid or City now?
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We haven't signed anyone like that since Hargreaves, and then Veron before. We hardly ever do, most of our signings are prospects and even more so recently. Schweinsteiger would cost £15m+ in the Summer even with one year left on his deal and would probably demand £100k a week which gives £5m a year - and a huge signing on fee. So he'd effectively cost us £50m over the next five years, and he wouldn't have a very good re-sale value in the future. I'm not sure we can afford it at the moment, we'll likely look for someone younger who could be sold on in the future if we needed it. Besides we couldn't compete with Chelsea for a signature of Ballack when we were in a better financial state than we're right now, what makes you think we'd be able to compete with the likes of Real Madrid or City now?
We are both retards then I guess.
Calm down guys, it was a stupid post, but it's so easy to get people going nowadays...
If we can offer O'Shea 80k ( Not sure if that is anywhere near the word "true" )
I'm sure we can pay Bastian' 100k...
I want Bastian Schweinsteiger under our roof 
O'Shea is probably more around £50k, besides he's been on our books forever and is a member of the current squad, Schweinsteger would need a new investment to be made to accommodate him - unless we're going to release one of our top earner but I don't think that will be the case. Alternatively, we could let the likes of Owen and Gibson go and that would probably free up £70k a week, but then I'd still think that money would be invested elsewhere - like two younger players. If we're going to sign a midfielder (I don't think we are as I expect Scholes and Giggs to stay for another year or two), it will be someone like Defour who'd probably cost closer to £10m and settle for £30k week or summat. We cannot really compete for the likes of Schweinsteger because whatever we can offer, Real Madrid, City or even Chelsea could top that.
Besides, all but one expensive midfielders that Ferguson signed during the last 10 years have been total failures for some reason - Veron because of lack of adaptability, Hargreaves because of injures, Anderson because he cannot develop properly etc. Only Carrick can make a case for being a good purchase but even he went down the road of becoming a total spastic in midfield nowadays. That's why I don't expect Ferguson to spend any serious money of midfielders and still trust Scholes to do the job, because honestly he's still our best midfielder and even at this age Ferguson will want to squeeze as many years out of him as it's humanly possible.
Why do we have to sell him again? He can become a United great depending on his performances and he can retire at Old Trafford. Secondly we have enough inexperienced youngsters in our squad. We need someone who can lead the team on and someone experienced.
When Giggs and Scholes go we will replace them properly not with someone biding his time in the Belguim league. I think money will be spent and proberly more to prove a point now. The whole Rooney saga means alot of questions will be asked him we don't sign quality.
Because we're in no position to sign players who may be worth nothing in a few years time. We've barely spent any money recently and since 2006 our net spent has actually been close to zero, or I think we may have even earned money on transfer dealings. Spending a lot of money on a player isn't something we can do at the minute.
But Ferguson may not even be the one who replaces them, honestly. They can both stay for another five years, and may leave at the same time as Ferguson. I think he tried to replace them with Anderson and Nani, and in Nani's case it worked out pretty well because he's a very good winger who will do the job for us, the jury's still out on Anderson but I don't think he's going to become anything special unfortunately.
But that's all beside the point since Schweinsteiger wouldn't come here anyway - there'd be at least three, perhaps even five, clubs who could give him better money and as big a chance of trophies.
You just assume that these teams compete for every player we want and assume that everyone would go to City? A lot of good players have turned down a much bigger salary at City to go else where. City have maybe gotten 20% of players they were after.
Mourinho's midfield is as complete as it could be. I don't think he'd want to invest in it unless someone goes first.
Chelsea won't offer more than we do. They have to balance out their books before regulations hit them. Just look at their spendings last three seasons. Only one big buy per season. They're in a similar pot as us when it comes to spending in the players market. They've even spent way less than we have and their net in total is quite good. Obviously because of their hefty spending previous years but they aren't going back to that state again.
You may actually be right about Chelsea, I've said it plenty of times that they aren't exactly very rich at the moment and I don't expect them to sign big, but Madrid would be in for him I think - mainly because Mourinho likes him and he's exactly the type of midfielder that Mourinho likes most.
There are plenty of players that are good enough and won't attract other big/rich sides for some reason, that's where we should aim because we haven't signed anyone of Schweinsteiger calibre for a long time - partly because Ferguson doesn't want that and risk connected with it, and partly because we cannot afford that.
I don't think we'll sign a midfielder anyway, and if we do, it'll be someone young and rather cheap. But I'd say 10% chance that we go after anyone at all.
I agree on that bid. Maybe if it's someone very high on Ferguson's shortlist and another club bids for him but other than that it won't be a big priority.
I don't agree though, ever since Keano left, we have tried to replace quality with quality, Carrick and Hargreaves were VERY good players who were established and already playing at the top level and were brought in with hefty price tags at that time.
It's not like we don't have a potentially good MF in either Petrucci or Pogba who both have earned good reviews from the reserves and not to mention Morrison who looks set to be a star.
If were going for the CL's, we can't just assume we'd go for a potentially good MF for me, we'd need someone who has the experience, the calmness and the cutting edge that can really compete in the top level in MF.
Bringing up Schweinsteiger is not a bad idea, regarding the muppettery and value in the market... I don't think I can ever guess what SAF thinks...
But again, I'd just like to point out that in the past we have done some rash moves in MF, yes Keano was a great prospect and just worked out, Scholes started as CF but had all the best qualities to play MF... If were going to buy a MF, I can't see us going for more prospects.
Unless we're talking about Pastore, Hamsik, Fabregas, Wilshere, which are the only players which I've watched that can improve our squad and are relatively young prospects
It's not like we don't have a potentially good MF in either Petrucci or Pogba who both have earned good reviews from the reserves and not to mention Morrison who looks set to be a star.
If were going for the CL's, we can't just assume we'd go for a potentially good MF for me, we'd need someone who has the experience, the calmness and the cutting edge that can really compete in the top level in MF.
Bringing up Schweinsteiger is not a bad idea, regarding the muppettery and value in the market... I don't think I can ever guess what SAF thinks...
But again, I'd just like to point out that in the past we have done some rash moves in MF, yes Keano was a great prospect and just worked out, Scholes started as CF but had all the best qualities to play MF... If were going to buy a MF, I can't see us going for more prospects.
Unless we're talking about Pastore, Hamsik, Fabregas, Wilshere, which are the only players which I've watched that can improve our squad and are relatively young prospects
I agree that bringing Schweinsteiger is a good idea, it's actually an excellent one, just something that we're not going to do for many different reasons. We've spent £50m on midfielders after Keane left, we're not going to spend any more money on this cause, Ferguson will wait until Anderson shows what he's got and both Carrick and Hargreaves get back to playing at decent level. And it's completely reasonable that he may do that.
Don't know if you are reading too much about the MUST vs Glazor issue, but certainly if it is time to invest... You have to invest.
Not that I'm the owner but if we lose Scholes, Hargreaves, let's say Carrick cannot regain his 2006-2008 form, Anderson wants back Porto... And we have only Fletch left with Gibson ? No thank you, we have to invest and gamble, just like how we gambled with Nani and Ronaldo...
Transfers are close to gambling but on the account of that you do have scouts that lessen the risk of purchasing a poor player...
If there is a player that might suit United and will improve us, I'm sure SAF will do what he is capable of to bring that player here, but I'm betting that he won't go for anyone as expensive as Berbatov.
We won't lose Scholes anytime soon, Carrick will stay as will Anderson - the idea of him moving back to Porto isn't something that I consider real. Hargreaves isn't lost yet in my opinion, he may yet make a come back and play at decent level, even if it isn't as high as it used to be. Next year we will definitely have all the midfielders we have at the minute, with a possible exception of Gibson who may leave but he'll be replaced by Cleverley.
Exactly, he won't go after anyone as expensive as Berbatov and that's how Schweinsteiger would be all things considered.
And no, I'm not reading much into MUST v Glazer stuff simply because I don't think they'll be able to force him into anything when it comes to finances.
I'm sure you've watched everygame this season and should know that our big weakness is the MF.
Not that I'm going to go muppet mode and want an attacking MF, but I'm just pointing out that if SAF see's that there is a player out there capable of replacing Scholes... Money won't be the issue and that has never been the case for United.
As a business-man, of course there are risks to be asserted, I doubt though that the glazors investing on our weakest link now is a big risk... Still if they want to re-coup they would not be in the minus profit zone so its just my personal opinion that if we were going to spend big, we are more than capable of.
I'd give my life for the little Legend to stay on the pitch another 20 years but it ain't gonna be that Sarni,
Scholes has got maybe at Max is three years which I really doubt would happen...
Not that Scholes isn't capable of playing... but I don't even want to mention how old he'd be in three years.
Hargreaves I simply have lost faith, he will never be close to the same player and he's overall play was usually about his stamina and pace to close down players too as he never was the best passer of the ball...
Anderson I still have hope... Carrick too, even Gibson / Obertan as AMC / Cleverly / Petrucci etc...
But if we are going to talk in the transfer forum then I can assume that muppet mode should allow muppets to dream of potentially world class signings which if it wasn't for sugar daddies... We were one of the biggest spenders in world football.
To be honest, midfield has been our ONLY weakness during recent seasons until defence decided to go mental this year. We're well sorted in defence, our goalkeeper is fine, our wings are perfect and we are very good in the attack.
But we have pumped £50m into that midfield, that's why I think Ferguson won't bring any more players in the near future. Anderson may yet develop into a fine player, and if Carrick can retain decent form he could play for another three or four years at this level (I don't expect more because he never had the class of Scholes). Then we have some prospects like Cleverley or now that you mention it - Pogba and Petrucci. I think it's possible that we are going to bring a new midfielder in, but it's not going to be a big name midfielder.
As for Scholes, I think he'll stay as long as Ferguson stays, which may be another 5 years even, and then another manager will have free hand in replacing him.
Its not that I disagree, but firstly I was pointing out we are more than capable of signing a big name player, not that it may be the best decision for the club as I don't obviously run it, but if there is a player out there who can improve the squad we certainly are capable of signing the player.
Secondly, I'd love to have Scholes play for another five years, in reality it ain't gonna happen.
To sum it up, we are or let's say have to invest something if we were going to become as good as 07/08 again, the transfer money is still a myth but I'm not into numbers, I'm more into facts and if we leave our current MF like this it will burden Scholes/Ando too much for that knack of creativity that we need in MF.
Secondly, I'd love to have Scholes play for another five years, in reality it ain't gonna happen.
To sum it up, we are or let's say have to invest something if we were going to become as good as 07/08 again, the transfer money is still a myth but I'm not into numbers, I'm more into facts and if we leave our current MF like this it will burden Scholes/Ando too much for that knack of creativity that we need in MF.
Forget Schweinsteiger, he's far too happy at Munich and won't move. Somehow they have a pretty good record when it comes to keeping their best players. Or maybe German players don't feel too comfortable moving abroad.
Bit like the English in that regard.
Only better at football.
Only better at football.
I may be one of, if not the biggest Hargreaves proponent on this forum.
I think he is done. I'd be extremely shocked if he returned at this point. I think he will retire at the end of this season.
If United sign him, I'll shit myself. At this point, I;d say a top player is one that walks straight into the first team, Bastian does that!!
the same could be said of players of other nations - certainly Irish, unless you're counting playing in England as playing abroad. In that case, I'd say it's little different from a northerner playing down south. Although I fail to see what any of ths has to do with the OP
Right now, the pig farmer would probably see coming to OT as a sideways move and likewise with any other PL club unless he was misguided enough to go to the berties for money. Can't see him leaving Bryan. He is Bavarian, they're more or less his home club, a big club with a decent chance of major trophies. I'd love to be wrong about that, though
Not sure where this conversation got started up from but, I'd love to see Schweinsteiger at United. Even costing us 50 mil over the next 5 years, I think he would be well worth it.
He's got all the attributes to be a very good player for us - strong, skillful, intelligent and proven at the highest levels. He can even take free kicks. But, as was mentioned - don't think he'll leave Bayern. I too will shit my pants if we land him.
He's got all the attributes to be a very good player for us - strong, skillful, intelligent and proven at the highest levels. He can even take free kicks. But, as was mentioned - don't think he'll leave Bayern. I too will shit my pants if we land him.
Who was the manager that put him from the wing to the middle?
The Irish are generally willing enough to play abroad. We just hardly ever produce anyone good enough to be in demand! Liam Brady and Robbie Keane have both had careers on the continent, for example and Aidan McGeady's just moved to Russia. That's probably because Irish footballers have to leave home at a young age to have any kind of professional career at all.
Football aside, I don't think Irish people are any more likely than the English to feel at home on mainland Europe. We tend to be home birds too. It's just that we are often forced to emigrate for work.
I wasn't responding to the OP, by the way, just the point about German footballers tending to want to play in Germany.
He is exactly the type of player we should be in for.. Whether he will leave Germany though is another big question.. But if we get him he will certainly tick all the boxes..
I think I would if the alternative was Glasgow
Aside from the obvious attractions of a better climate in southern Europe, I'd've thought Paddies would be more inclined to play in the PL - although I suppose it's complex and depends on circumstances. Also, I think it's a bit of a myth that they (or English) are not good enough. They're not all Zidanes in mainland Europe afterall.
Did anyone see this new story in the BBC gossip section?
Bayern Munich midfielder Bastian Schweinsteiger says his Manchester United-supporting brother keeps urging him to sign for the Red Devils. "Maybe they can swap me for Rooney," he joked. (Full story: Sunday Times)
Bayern Munich midfielder Bastian Schweinsteiger says his Manchester United-supporting brother keeps urging him to sign for the Red Devils. "Maybe they can swap me for Rooney," he joked. (Full story: Sunday Times)
He'll end up at Chelsea.
Listen to your brother Bastian! He's the only expensive target I want to see us get, he'd be the ideal midfielder for us.
He's the only expensive target I want to see us get, he'd be the ideal midfielder for us.Would be a great signing, works very hard, is technically excellent, keeps the ball very well, has a great shot on him, would definitely improve our midfield.
I'm not one of these that have been completely swept away by him in the middle. I thought he was an average, workmanlike wide man and I think he's adapted well in the middle but isn't quite the world beater this thread makes him sound like.
I've kind of warmed to Schweini over the years and he was undeniably excellent in South Africa. However, I've seen a lot of Bundesliga matches and I think a lot of people under estimate the difference in playing style between that and our Premier League - the difference is vast and the main factor is the pace we play at here. I personally can see a player like Schweinsteiger struggling to adapt at his age - like Ballack and to a certain extent Hargreaves before him. I don't think he's quick enough to play as a winger here and adapting as a central midfielder is a massive task as the other two examples have shown...
Would be interested to hear the thoughts of our resident Germans on this - Jaap and Torn Rubber.
Would be interested to hear the thoughts of our resident Germans on this - Jaap and Torn Rubber.
Wondered how long tell this comment.I'm convinced he can adopt to the EPL. He has the work rate and has really developed his positional sense. It also helps that unlike Hargreaves he has no major injury issue and unlike Ballack, if he gets he to England next summer he wont be 30, starting to decline from his peak years. Ill be very surprised if he ever played out wide again on a consistent basis.
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