Bastian Schweinsteiger

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C'est Moi Cantona said:
Schweinsteiger , Carrick, with Mata in front as the creator, then next year replace Carrick with Strooman.

Carrick is still a really good player IMO just needs LvG to get him back playing well again, Cleverley not so sure about anymore to be honest.
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It would still be too great a risk to head into the season with one midfield acquisition given the form, age and quality of our other midfield options in Carrick, Fletcher, Fellaini and Cleverley.

Personally, I think we should be ruthless in midfield and ideally two of those four should leave. Carrick should be more or less a certainty to stay as he is easily the best out of the four and is far better than the performances he produced last season. It would also benefit him greatly if we weren't so reliant on him, so that could still end up being an issue if we sign just 30 year-old Schweinsteiger who has suffered an inordinate amount of injuries last season.
 
sullydnl said:
This whole thing hinges on Bayern (and more importantly Pep) being willing to sell. No player is going to stay with a club and manager that are happy to see them go.

At that point, why not United? Massive wages, massive club and a manager he already has an excellent relationship with.

Of course there is nothing to suggest that Pep will be willing to sell besides a few rumours during the season but maybe...
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At that point, yea sure, but nothing suggest we're at that point and I can't honestly imagine we're at that point nor that I think we're going to get to that point any time soon. I just can't see Bayern wanting bastian out, I can't see Pep being so stupid to force him out, the fans would be livid and most likely the board would be against it aswell, he is trying hard to fit in there and gaining the fans support, if he is the one selling Bastian, they'll likely threathen to kill his entire family for it. Bastian wouldn't want out either, so no sorry this all just bullshit specualtion and this move is even more unlikely than the Kroos move, or the Vidal or Pogba moves. This is not going to happen, 99.99999999 % sure of it.
 
It's a real pity that Strootman is injured. If we somehow manage to pry Bastian away from Munich, you know that Strootman would be the other midfielder to go alongside him and we would be very much well sorted in that area. The question is do we wait until January for Strootman and play Carrick in the meantime which isn't necessarily an ideal pairing or do we identify another realistic target in place of Strootman and who? Players like Vidal and Pogba are not realistic.
 
Utd7 said:
It's a real pity that Strootman is injured. If we somehow manage to pry Bastian away from Munich, you know that Strootman would be the other midfielder to go alongside him and we would be very much well sorted in that area. The question is do we wait until January for Strootman and play Carrick in the meantime which isn't necessarily an ideal pairing or do we identify another realistic target in place of Strootman and who? Players like Vidal and Pogba are not realistic.
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We wait for Strootman.
 
I'd love for this to happen. He would be a stop gap signing in midfield, but as far as as stop gaps go, you can't get much better than Schweinsteiger. Aside from being a signifcant upgrade on what we got, at the very least it buys us some time until we could find someone long term.

Like I said, I would love for this happen, but we'e dealing with a monumental ask to land Schweinsteiger. His situation is akin to Scholes starting from 2008/2009, where you got an aging player who still has something to offer, but isn't playing as often as he'd prefer, who also happens be brought through the youth system. Could anyone have seen Scholes leaving and going to a different country to boot? I have no issues with us going after him, but like last season we're chasing players who we're highly unlikely to get while watching ones we could've got go elsewhere.
 
NoArroJusBeta said:
At that point, yea sure, but nothing suggest we're at that point and I can't honestly imagine we're at that point nor that I think we're going to get to that point any time soon. I just can't see Bayern wanting bastian out, I can't see Pep being so stupid to force him out, the fans would be livid and most likely the board would be against it aswell, he is trying hard to fit in there and gaining the fans support, if he is the one selling Bastian, they'll likely threathen to kill his entire family for it. Bastian wouldn't want out either, so no sorry this all just bullshit specualtion and this move is even more unlikely than the Kroos move, or the Vidal or Pogba moves. This is not going to happen, 99.99999999 % sure of it.
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Cheer up man, he is just a Bayern player - when/if they don't need hime he will be gone. As you know, for big clubs it's all about moving forward and building for the future as much as the present. They have excellent squad, maybe at his age they want to cash in and give some young ones a chance.
 
Sherzad said:
Cheer up man, he is just a Bayern player - when/if they don't need hime he will be gone. As you know, for big clubs it's all about moving forward and building for the future as much as the present. They have excellent squad, maybe at his age they want to cash in and give some young ones a chance.
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Don't believe that for a second, everybody can think what they want, but I'am not getting invested in this until I start seeing some actual proof that Bayern might want him out.

For the record, Bayern seldom cash in on their players, their philosphy is they don't sell players, they aren't a selling club is their favorite tag phrase in any transfer discussion. They only allow a player to leave if the player desires to go, if not they don't sell. It is the same with Kroos, they aren't selling him, until he asks for a transfer himself, even if that means losing him on a free next transfer summer, they don't care, they won't care about £25m for Bastian either. On top of that Bayern love their legends, Bastian is one of them, thinking they'll somehow want him out is beyond delusional as far as I'am concerned.
 
For LVG (and United) to hit the ground running when he comes in, we need additions that are top quality or very familiar with him and his style/system. Schweinsteiger is both.

Louie, Louie sign him him up
 
NoArroJusBeta said:
Don't believe that for a second, everybody can think what they want, but I'am not getting invested in this until I start seeing some actual proof that Bayern might want him out.

For the record, Bayern seldom cash in on their players, their philosphy is they don't sell players, they aren't a selling club is their favorite tag phrase in any transfer discussion. They only allow a player to leave if the player desires to go, if not they don't sell. It is the same with Kroos, they aren't selling him, until he asks for a transfer himself, even if that means losing him on a free next transfer summer, they don't care, they won't care about £25m for Bastian either. On top of that Bayern love their legends, Bastian is one of them, thinking they'll somehow want him out is beyond delusional as far as I'am concerned.
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I don't think many off us here believe that Bayern will sell hime. But we are not calling it 99.999%(as you posted) impossible.
 
NoArroJusBeta said:
Honestly why do people believe he would want to leave Bayern Munchen, his boyhood club, he loves that club and he is still and important player for them, why would he leave them for us ?

He is like Scholes was for United, like how Gerrard is for Liverpool, how Lampard was for Chelsea, how Xavi is for Barcelona, those players never leave those clubs unless the club wants them out or it is time to retire. We can bid £25m for him, Bayern will just tell us to feck off, Bastian will tell us he ain't interested.

I'd sooner see us sign Vidal or Pogba than I see us sign Schweinsteiger (and I think there is zero chance of us landing either of those 2).
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He said a few years ago that he would love to play in England one day.

He was asked about us and he said the atmosphere was great when he played at Old Trafford and that his brother is always telling him "go to Man Utd". He also said he loves the pace of english game and said we will see what happens in the future.

One club men don't flirt with other clubs like that do they, unless it's Gerrard.
 
Does LvG have a really shitty scouting network or something? He only ever seems to bring in players he's worked with in previous jobs and kids from the youth team. That might explain why his shelf life only seems to be about 3 years.
 
Dante said:
Does LvG have a really shitty scouting network or something? He only ever seems to bring in players he's worked with in previous jobs and kids from the youth team. That might explain why his shelf life only seems to be about 3 years.
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Why shouldn't he - he knows that he has worked great with the players before and they work great with his philosophy. And he knows their potential - and how they tick. Every other player is a lot more risky...
 
Becknaldolencia said:
He said a few years ago that he would love to play in England one day.

He was asked about us and he said the atmosphere was great when he played at Old Trafford and that his brother is always telling him "go to Man Utd". He also said he loves the pace of english game and said we will see what happens in the future.

One club men don't flirt with other clubs like that do they, unless it's Gerrard.
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Xavi has said some similar things about Manchester United.
 
Even if there was a chance this could happen how can anyone have faith in Woodward to get it done?
 
I watched a documentary on Ottmar Hitzfeld yesterday and he said 6 years at Bayern is like 20 years at another club. Maybe Scheinstieger wants something new. Could the Bayern board sanction a move to sell a club icon? Have to wait and see.
 
walsh said:
Journalists suggesting it might be the case and the fact that we are linked with him? I'm not saying it's definitely the case, I'm just saying it would have to be for this transfer to happen.

They wouldn't exactly be insane to consider cashing in on an ageing player in an area they have several other top class options.
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Munich don't need the money and they don't like to be seen to be in the business of selling their best player.
So far we have no reason to believe this is a runner, in fact everything points to it bring most unlikely. I'm going to need more than the speculations of a few journos who've been briefed by an in competent CEO with his own agenda before I get excited.
 
We do love to get involved in impossible signings don't we?
 
Good signing!!! Would be a perfect replacement for Scholes... Be it two seasons late. All we need now is Sanchez, Shaw and a centre back. Strootman in January.

Wow a lot of 's' men.
 
He's 30 on August 1st. £25m no thanks.

We already have too many CMs in there 30s. We need to start building for the future and bring in some younger players.
 
All 3 United said:
He's 30 on August 1st. £25m no thanks.

We already have too many CMs in there 30s. We need to start building for the future and bring in some younger players.
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Players like normal people don't get polio when they touch 30. Moreover we're discussing a midfielder and not a striker. Ridiculous notion some United fans have. Schweinsteiger would automatically become the best central midfielder if he signs for us.

And who's saying let's bring in only Schweinsteiger. Mark my words, we'll get two midfielders this summer.
 
All 3 United said:
He's 30 on August 1st. £25m no thanks.

We already have too many CMs in there 30s. We need to start building for the future and bring in some younger players.
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No, what we need is to bring in some top class defenders. We have Carrick who's 32 I think and fletcher who's 30. Just because fellaini plays like it doesn't mean he's in his 30's. Schweinsteiger would instantly up with toure as the best midfielder in the league, simply because he's a world class player. He's not even 30 yet. We could get 2 world class seasons from him realistically and another 2 very good ones, maybe even more, we spent £24m on van Persie for a position we were stocked in and it won us the title. Now people are having complaints about schweinsteiger, who is amongst the best midfielders in the world, and after Vidal probably the ideal midfielder for our team, and plays in a position we've lacked a player like him since Roy keane left, 8 years ago.

I doubt it'll happen, as I don't think bayern will let him go. But it would be an amazing signing if we could pull it off and it would be perfect for our midfield.

People seem obsessed with bringing in younger players when in all honesty they'll never reach schweinsteigers level. Doesn't make much sense.
 
Off the top of my head, Scholes, Xavi and Pirlo have all excelled and been top level players between the ages of 30-35. People are getting way too preoccupied by Bastian being 30.

Can't see this happening because it'd be too good to be true.
 
bosnian_red said:
No, what we need is to bring in some top class defenders. We have Carrick who's 32 I think and fletcher who's 30. Just because fellaini plays like it doesn't mean he's in his 30's. Schweinsteiger would instantly up with toure as the best midfielder in the league, simply because he's a world class player. He's not even 30 yet. We could get 2 world class seasons from him realistically and another 2 very good ones, maybe even more, we spent £24m on van Persie for a position we were stocked in and it won us the title. Now people are having complaints about schweinsteiger, who is amongst the best midfielders in the world, and after Vidal probably the ideal midfielder for our team, and plays in a position we've lacked a player like him since Roy keane left, 8 years ago.

I doubt it'll happen, as I don't think bayern will let him go. But it would be an amazing signing if we could pull it off and it would be perfect for our midfield.
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I wont be surprised if Fletcher is shown the door. VG isnt afraid to take tough decisions.
 
All 3 United said:
He's 30 on August 1st. £25m no thanks.

We already have too many CMs in there 30s. We need to start building for the future and bring in some younger players.
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We need to get over this building for the future, right now we need to finished product especially in midfield. We also have a group of mediocre midfielders none who are good enough, so you'd reject Schweinsteiger a world class midfielder among the best in Europe. Midfielders don't become old and average when they turn 30 you know Toure is 31 and still dominating the league.
 
devilish said:
I wont be surprised if Fletcher is shown the door. VG isnt afraid to take tough decisions.
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To be honest, showing fletcher the door shouldn't be viewed as that tough of a decision... He's done well for us and it's unfortunate everything that has happened with him, but there's not much room for sympathy at this level and fletcher more then likely won't ever be good enough for this level anymore. You could say that about all our midfielders though, them not being good enough anymore.
 
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Look at his calves :eek:
 
bosnian_red said:
To be honest, showing fletcher the door shouldn't be viewed as that tough of a decision... He's done well for us and it's unfortunate everything that has happened with him, but there's not much room for sympathy at this level and fletcher more then likely won't ever be good enough for this level anymore. You could say that about all our midfielders though, them not being good enough anymore.
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Its not easy as it sounds though. He's a Fergie babe and an early retirement would piss 2 directors (SAF and Sir Bobby) and the class of 92 off. Lets face it, neither SAF nor Moyes had the courage to do so.
 
CurryCantona said:
Players like normal people don't get polio when they touch 30. Moreover we're discussing a midfielder and not a striker. Ridiculous notion some United fans have. Schweinsteiger would automatically become the best central midfielder if he signs for us.

And who's saying let's bring in only Schweinsteiger. Mark my words, we'll get two midfielders this summer.
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There is no question he would become our best midfielder should we sign him (hey that's not such a difficult task).

My concern is that we blow the supposed war chest on players past their prime and in a couple of seasons we're back to square one.
 
He'd certainly give us a lot of presence in CM and not in the Fellaini way. If that takes away some of the opposition confidence knowing we've got world class quality it will be a big help. I'm worried about his injuries and its a big fee but if the other options are Daley Blind and Clasie..
 
devilish said:
Its not easy as it sounds though. He's a Fergie babe and an early retirement would piss 2 directors (SAF and Sir Bobby) and the class of 92 off. Lets face it, neither SAF nor Moyes had the courage to do so.
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Well aren't we lucky we have a manager who won't care if he pisses them off at the end of the day his our manager.
 
Many underestimate our current situation. We're out of the CL. That's a significant issue for 2 reasons. First of all, players get alot of bonuses if they do well in the CL. Secondly the exposure in it is fantastic. Mind I am not saying that United are the new Everton. However, players will start asking questions on why United ended up 7th place and will need assurances that the club seriously want to bounce back.

Bastian is the right player for that. He's a respectable professional whose considered as one of the best midfielders around. He certainly can afford 1 year without CL football and while I seriously doubt he want to sign with us, we cant afford losing him if he does want to.

Football wise, Bastian is highly needed. Cleverley, Ando and Fellaini are out of depth, Fletcher is as good as finished and Carrick is showing clear signs of decline so having a quality player like Bastian is highly advisable. Secondly he's a leader, who knows VG style inside out and would prove a fantastic influence to our team. He will be the anchor on which VG will build his squad around and should keep the fort safe until a certain Strootman is signed.
 
NMF said:
Well aren't we lucky we have a manager who won't care if he pisses them off at the end of the day his our manager.
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We are, however I can understand if he doesn't. Imagine yourself as manager in a new job. Would you sack from day 1 the director's pet and the best mate of many veteran members of your team? Lets face it, Fletcher is not good enough not because or his career threatening sickness and not because he doesn't give a frek
 
devilish said:
Many underestimate our current situation. We're out of the CL. That's a significant issue for 2 reasons. First of all, players get alot of bonuses if they do well in the CL. Secondly the exposure in it is fantastic. Mind I am not saying that United are the new Everton. However, players will start asking questions on why United ended up 7th place and will need assurances that the club seriously want to bounce back.

Bastian is the right player for that. He's a respectable professional whose considered as one of the best midfielders around. He certainly can afford 1 year without CL football and while I seriously doubt he want to sign with us, we cant afford losing him if he does want to.

Football wise, Bastian is highly needed. Cleverley, Ando and Fellaini are out of depth, Fletcher is as good as finished and Carrick is showing clear signs of decline so having a quality player like Bastian is highly advisable. Secondly he's a leader, who knows VG style inside out and would prove a fantastic influence to our team. He will be the anchor on which VG will build his squad around and should keep the fort safe until a certain Strootman is signed.
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Well put.
 
All 3 United said:
There is no question he would become our best midfielder should we sign him (hey that's not such a difficult task).

My concern is that we blow the supposed war chest on players past their prime and in a couple of seasons we're back to square one.
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You can't plan for the future if you have no plan for the present.

We have the worst bunch of central midfielders the top 8 of the premier league. Not a debate, it's fact. None of our central midfielders are good enough to play for RM/FCBx2/PSG etc, so why are stuck with them? We're not a charity club.

There's no £200m war chest. I'll be surprised if we spend half of that.
 
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