Bastian Schweinsteiger

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Dirty Schwein said:
I seriously can't believe some of the shit I'm reading here. We have a midfield of Cleverly, Fellaini, Carrick and Fletcher yet we have the gaul to turn our noses up at a world class player who is proven at every level.
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It was the same in the Muller thread. You just don't turn down players of that quality. I'm still of the opinion that the Van Persie money would have been better spent on a midfielder, but it was still a fantastic signing and in reality probably wasn't the reason we didn't sign a midfielder anyway.

Signing Schweinsteiger wouldn't instantly solve all our problems, but at the same time it wouldn't mean we couldn't buy another younger midfielder as well.
 
Dirty Schwein said:
I seriously can't believe some of the shit I'm reading here. We have a midfield of Cleverly, Fellaini, Carrick and Fletcher yet we have the gaul to turn our noses up at a world class player who is proven at every level.
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Its ridiculous isn't it. It was the same with Fabregas. Some people are on another planet.
 
Dirty Schwein said:
I seriously can't believe some of the shit I'm reading here. We have a midfield of Cleverly, Fellaini, Carrick and Fletcher yet we have the gaul to turn our noses up at a world class player who is proven at every level.
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I don't understand it. The same eejits didn't want Modric when he was in Tottenham, De Rossi at Roma, so on and so forth
 
northbynorthwest said:
out of them three, cesc is the better footballer. Kroos does play as a ten though. but cesc is a better holding CM than kroos is a ten.
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In my opinion, Schweinsteger is better than Kroos and Cesc. He is a more complete footballer and a more complete central midfielder than the other two. And regarding Kroos not anymore. Kroos doesn't play as a #10, especially at Bayern. Germany maybe a little bit. At Bayern, he has been playing in CM for sometime now. I would have Schweinsteger, Kroos and then Cesc.
 
RDCR07 said:
In my opinion, Schweinsteger is better than Kroos and Cesc. He is a more complete footballer and a more complete central midfielder than the other two. And regarding Kroos not anymore. Kroos doesn't play as a #10, especially at Bayern. Germany maybe a little bit. At Bayern, he has been playing in CM for sometime now. I would have Schweinsteger, Kroos and then Cesc.
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On current ability I agree. Taking age into account I'd prefer Kroos. And yep, he isn't a 10 anymore. He's thrived as a deep lying playmaker, something which Fabregas has struggled to do.
 
mufcwarm92 said:
On current ability I agree. Taking age into account I'd prefer Kroos. And yep, he isn't a 10 anymore. He's thrived as a deep lying playmaker, something which Fabregas has struggled to do.
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Something which Fabregas hasn't done in almost three years but to say he struggled isn't a fair point. He was one of the best CM's in the league when he was with Arsenal.
 
RDCR07 said:
In my opinion, Schweinsteger is better than Kroos and Cesc. He is a more complete footballer and a more complete central midfielder than the other two. And regarding Kroos not anymore. Kroos doesn't play as a #10, especially at Bayern. Germany maybe a little bit. At Bayern, he has been playing in CM for sometime now. I would have Schweinsteger, Kroos and then Cesc.
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You`re ignoring age and injury record, though. Kroos, Cesc then Schweinsteiger for me. We sign Kroos, find an mobile partner with at least some defensive aptitude to play next to him (Carvalho, Vidal, Strootman, Schneiderlin) and we`ve got a proper base for our forward players.
 
NoPace said:
You`re ignoring age and injury record, though. Kroos, Cesc then Schweinsteiger for me. We sign Kroos, find an mobile partner with at least some defensive aptitude to play next to him (Carvalho, Vidal, Strootman, Schneiderlin) and we`ve got a proper base for our forward players.
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I was talking about in terms of right now and in terms of ability, Schweinsteger edges it. But if we want to talk money, age, injury record, future etc, then I will have Kroos as well over the other two if I have to pick ONE.
 
RDCR07 said:
Something which Fabregas hasn't done in almost three years but to say he struggled isn't a fair point. He was one of the best CM's in the league when he was with Arsenal.
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You've got to go back a long time to find Fabregas playing as one of the deepest two midfielders for Arsenal. He only played as a CM in his early years at Arsenal, he found his best form as the most advanced player in a 3 man midfield and has struggled to find anywhere near that form when asked to play that role subsequently.

I'm sure he could do a better job in that role long term than anyone we have but it would be odd for a side to invest so heavily and play him in that role when he's much better further forward.

From a United perspective we have two great number 10s and a hybrid 9/10 in Rooney fighting for the most advanced midfielder/number 10 role. Moving to a proper 433 with a deeper AM like Fabregas would mean we'd probably have to sell two of the above players so it's very unlikely. If we signed Fabregas he'd need to play as one of the two deep midfielders in a 4231 and I don't think he suits that at all. Schweinsteiger on the other hand is a true all rounder and Kroos has been most effective as a deep lying playmaker.
 
RDCR07 said:
In my opinion, Schweinsteger is better than Kroos and Cesc. He is a more complete footballer and a more complete central midfielder than the other two. And regarding Kroos not anymore. Kroos doesn't play as a #10, especially at Bayern. Germany maybe a little bit. At Bayern, he has been playing in CM for sometime now. I would have Schweinsteger, Kroos and then Cesc.
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Barca have been playing cesc out of position. If its bastian vs cesc for the holding role, id still root for cesc
 
Schweinsteiger would be better suited to us than Fabregas.
 
Schweinsteiger has a great advantage above any of the mentioned midfielders - he knows how van Gaal thinks and they like each other. He could be his right hand on the pitch from the start and like this help other teammates, too.
 
northbynorthwest said:
Barca have been playing cesc out of position. If its bastian vs cesc for the holding role, id still root for cesc
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But Bastian is clearly a better holding midfielder than Cesc. Even playmaking ability wise, they are on par. You wouldn't exactly call Cesc a complete midfielder because his defensive game isn't as strong as Schweinsteiger's. I agree than Cesc has been played out of position though.
 
Can we turn Louis van Gaal into some type of cockney slang?

"I can't believe he had the Louis van Gaal to say that."

Works well.
 
northbynorthwest said:
Barca have been playing cesc out of position. If its bastian vs cesc for the holding role, id still root for cesc
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You could but you'd be the only one. I mean seriously, I could understand wanting him over Schweinsteiger as the more attack minded CM but if you want them to play the deeper CM, I doubt even Fabregas would pick himself.
 
Basically, there are currently several teams that we realistically cannot compete with for signings - unless we offer silly, silly wages e.g. 50% more. Problem there is, they offer silly wages already.

As such, we need to risks. Whether that means gambling on injury prone players or paying massively over-the-odds for players that are not primary targets for some of the other big clubs.

For around £20m would be a good punt. Remember he will command massive wages so the actual financial impact would be big.
 
KingMinger22 said:
Basically, there are currently several teams that we realistically cannot compete with for signings - unless we offer silly, silly wages e.g. 50% more. Problem there is, they offer silly wages already.
As such, we need to risks. Whether that means gambling on injury prone players or paying massively over-the-odds for players that are not primary targets for some of the other big clubs.
For around £20m would be a good punt. Remember he will command massive wages so the actual financial impact would be big.
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Excellent post.
I can hear a lot of people saying „City got World Class players although they were not in Champions League”. This is true, but we should also remember that they somehow spoiled the transfer market. And there is more clubs which can offer silly wages too, as you mentioned.
 
RDCR07 said:
But Bastian is clearly a better holding midfielder than Cesc. Even playmaking ability wise, they are on par. You wouldn't exactly call Cesc a complete midfielder because his defensive game isn't as strong as Schweinsteiger's. I agree than Cesc has been played out of position though.
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he works much harder than cesc, granted. I would still root for cesc attacking wise. I remember him coming on in the euros and WC and changing things for spain.
 
northbynorthwest said:
he works much harder than cesc, granted. I would still root for cesc attacking wise. I remember him coming on in the euros and WC and changing things for spain.
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When you watch this video is "hard working" the first thing that comes to mind?

 
northbynorthwest said:
I dont watch those videos because they give a biased view of players. I watch games, particularly CL games when the pressure is high.
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Which CL games did you watch him in last season? Presumably you watched him against Barcelona last year when he was the best CM on the park, home and away? Or when he was the same in the previous round against Pirlo and Vidal (where he was MOTM in the away leg)? It's worth noting that the only knockout game that Bayern lost last season was the Arsenal game when he was suspended.
 
Brwned said:
In which CL games did you watch him last season? Presumably you watched him against Barcelona last year when he was the best CM on the park, home and away? Or when he did the same in the previous round against Pirlo and Vidal (where he was MOTM in the away leg?)? It's worth noting that the only knockout game that Bayern lost last season was the Arsenal game when he was suspended.
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i am not inferring bastian is terrible. but i stick to my guns. Under pressure cesc is the better attacking player. Its a pity cesc has been wasted at barca because he is capable of much more than he has shown in the last three years.
 
northbynorthwest said:
i am not inferring bastian is terrible. but i stick to my guns. Under pressure cesc is the better attacking player. Its a pity cesc has been wasted at barca because he is capable of much more than he has shown in the last three years.
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I don't understand how that is what the debate has been whittled down to? Fábregas is an attacking player so yes, he is a better attacking player under pressure. That has nothing to do with the idea that Schweinsteiger is just a runner like Ramires.
 
People don't seriously believe we have a chance at Schweinsteiger? He's a club legend, that would be akin to us selling Scholes or Giggs, an icon for the fans. Even if Guardiola was willing to sell, I could see their board stepping in and vetoing the transfer.
 
northbynorthwest said:
i am not inferring bastian is terrible. but i stick to my guns. Under pressure cesc is the better attacking player. Its a pity cesc has been wasted at barca because he is capable of much more than he has shown in the last three years.
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You are looking only at attacking. Thats why I said Schweinsteger is more complete and hence a better holding player than Cesc.
 
As a German based Bayern fan I could definitely live with Schweinsteiger's departure as long as Toni Kroos stays at the club who is less popular but much more important for our team's future. We've got a pretty great heir in PE-Höjbjerg who has similar (if not superior) box-to-box abilities as Schweinsteiger and is much loved by Pep Guardiola. Meanwhile Schweinsteiger's strengths aren't that much needed in the Spaniard's playing approach. Schweinsteiger is also not remotely as popular as Müller, Lahm or Ribéry among Bayern fans. Man I can barely find the words how much I wanted our FO to kick him out of the club before LvG came to Bayern in 2009. Those seven previous years were a living nightmare where Schweinsteiger made more headlines off than on the pitch. Even afterwards we've seen a very good 2012/13 campaign and a stellar second half of the 2009/2010 season, that's about it.

I think he could shine at United for the remainder of his career but a move doesn't seem likely at the moment. On the other hand, Müller and Lahm extended their contracts but not Schweinsteiger. So his future might not lie at Bayern until the end of his career after all...
 
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Even if Schweinsteiger is to leave, which is an extremely unlikely circumstance by itself due to his status as one of the fan favorites, I don't see him coming to us over other teams who can offer Champions League football.
 
Utd7 said:
People don't seriously believe we have a chance at Schweinsteiger? He's a club legend, that would be akin to us selling Scholes or Giggs, an icon for the fans. Even if Guardiola was willing to sell, I could see their board stepping in and vetoing the transfer.
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Fergie sold Beckham. Not saying it's the same but if he doesn't fit into Guardiola's plans, they'll be willing to move him I'm sure. Would be different from other players agitating for more money - I think Bayern would be willing to take a loss in that kind of situation.
 
Booyakasha said:
Schweinsteiger is a Bayern reject? You haven't been following the Bundesliga at all, have you?

1. We are not in Europe.
2. Our current options are cleverly, Fellaini, Anderson, a recuperating Fletcher and a 33 year old Carrick.

We can't be too picky. Signing schweinsteiger for anything under 15 million would be a steal.
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I have and been previously posted there seen lots of him to know he's not the player he was. I dont care about this not in Europe crap. City built a squad 'not in Europe' and equally never got out the league format for 2 seasons, and still signed big players. One crap season and knee's are jerking all over the place. Good player but like the Shaw signing lets think beyond a couple of seasons, there are younger options out there rather than just waiting for the teams to release players that they no longer want or need.
 
Utd7 said:
People don't seriously believe we have a chance at Schweinsteiger? He's a club legend, that would be akin to us selling Scholes or Giggs, an icon for the fans. Even if Guardiola was willing to sell, I could see their board stepping in and vetoing the transfer.
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We did sell beckham and he's a club legend.
 
Good god, one average season mostly due to injuries, plus a tika taka hybrid system and Bosstian Schweinsteiger has gone from arguably the best midfielder in the world, to not as good as he used to be? Things sure do move quick here. Let's get him, we have some fine talent coming in through the ranks so he could be the perfect bridge from them to the first team. Get it done woody! Getting a player like him in his prime is borderline impossible, not taking an opportunity of signing him at a cheap price is borderline insanity. Nedved was signed by Juve at age 29 and he ended up a club legend. The only question should be...does Tobias come with?
 
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