If van Gaal wants him badly then I can see us offering £25m or so and I wouldn't be surprised if Guardiola let him go. They have Thiago and Gotze now so aren't exactly light on talented midfielders. They can afford to let him go and we are desperate for a player of his quality. Add the fact that van Gaal knows him well, he can probably give us at least three good seasons and he would be a lot more affordable than Vidal or Pogba. Obviously it would be more ideal to get a younger quality CM in as a long term solution but Schweinsteiger is one of the best and can definitely sort our midfield out if he joins.
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Thiago yes but Götze and him play different positions.
Götze is a #10 I think. If Schweinstiger goes, maybe Martinez will get to play central midfield which is where he's best suited.
I think Pep will play Martinez at CB
wales. Yea, if he did it against spain or brazil it would be impressive
I'm confused, are you suggesting Schweinsteiger is in some way unproven?
Surely playing well in CL football every year and in World Cups and Euros for Germany kind of proves him to be a top class player.
I'm pretty sure he played a huge part in Germany giving England a pasting at last world cup but then again Wales/England not a huge gulf in class there so forget what I said
im saying that come the big games, when the pressure is on and the heat in the high 40s, he does not do it and he certainly doesnt do it like he does it against the little teams when they are beating them 4-0.
And if people are expecting him to come to the most competitive league in football and turn on the style, i can guarantee he wont. Come the big games, he will be carrickesque
Surely playing well in CL football every year and in World Cups and Euros for Germany kind of proves him to be a top class player.
I'm pretty sure he played a huge part in Germany giving England a pasting at last world cup but then again Wales/England not a huge gulf in class there so forget what I said
its a team sport. one player doesnt make a team. At germany and bayern he is surrounded by great players.
Of course but I have never seen him carried in any game (unlike Carrick) and he always looks like one of the best players on the field whoever the opposition. I do not even think we will sign him but there is no doubting his quality.
And if he did sign for us he would not be surrounded by great players that's for sure but I bet he would still look our best midfielder even player by some distance.
He has been one of the best midfield players in the world for a good few years now.
I'm struggling to believe you have ever seen him play. He's earned his status as a world class midfielder over the past 4 years. He's been a force of nature at times.
What does this mean in terms of how good or bad Schwein is? Messi is surrounded by some of the BEST players in Barca, as is Ronaldo in Madrid. Does that make their accomplishments any less impressive?
And you're saying he doesn't play well against good teams or in the biggest stage? How about the time he completely nullified Messi AND assisted 2 goals in 2010 World Cup, being named man of the match as well... Also, he is a very consistent player. You say he only plays good against smaller teams, well there are more smaller teams than elites, so is that such a bad thing? Although, I disagree with that statement. Maybe you only consider goals as a measure of how well someone has played...
Anyone disputing the qualities of Schweinsteiger as a central midfielder needs their head examining.
He's an outstanding player who would improve our team no end.
He's an outstanding player who would improve our team no end.
Is the long and the short of it. Laughable.
I wouldn't take this northbynorthwest guy too seriously, seems to talk a lot of shite and I can't tell if he's just trying to take the piss anymore.
He's been one of my favourite players for years, I'd love him to come here.
Absolutely. He'd be a huge signing. Will believe it only if and when he runs out in a United shirt.
Wow.
lads ozil does it against the little teams and then when the heat is turned up a notch, he disappears. now such is the demands of the PL, bastian will not do what is expected of him. He is not as good technically as kroos or lahm. Thats my point of view. You can disagree with it or not and you are fully allowed to.
@AltiUn I am fully entitled to my point of view, so please refrain from making belittling comments about me
@AltiUn I am fully entitled to my point of view, so please refrain from making belittling comments about me
I think you must have ridiculously high standards if you're turning your nose up at Schweinsteiger.
I appreciate your pov regarding Schweinsteiger as a player, but I completely disagree. He is excellent technically and was one of the best players in a side that absolutely dominated shit last season...I don't see how anyone can say Lahm (who's a brilliant player in his own right) is better technically than Bastian, having said that you might define technique differently to what I do.
What difference does it make how Ozil plays? You might as well then just say "Andy Carroll is shit so Rooney must be shit too"... I really don't get your logic here.
Demands of the EPL you say? In that case, are you suggesting that Schweinsteiger will be less effective than all the CMs in the top 4-6? Erikssen has come in and has had a pretty good season, Ramires for Chelsea seems to do ok, heck Henderson seems like he knows his way around. You seriously think Schweinsteiger can't cope? Although he has handled himself brilliantly in Bundesliga, which is still a tough league as well as the UCL and WC?
i do, because its manchester united. We have been giving out about carrick, fletcher, cleverly, anderson for the last five years. Its high time we signed a technically top MF like fabregas. Clasie doesnt look too bad i must say.
Signing a 29 year old as well is not favorable. Carvalho would prob be better. I can only go by what i have seen and from what i have seen of bastian, when the pressure is on, he doesnt do so well.
A poster made a comment that most teams you play are of a poor standard and that is totally true, but in the CL when you are playing the cream of europe, you want the guys who can do it under pressure. Its as much psychological as it is technical ability.
A lot of players are confidence players, like wayne rooney. when united are 3-0 up, he is great. But in the tough match he loses his composure.
I have watched bayern and germany in big games and bastian, doesnt play terrible, but doesnt light up the games either. Just my view.
If we did sign him and he did it against the big teams, i would say i was wrong, but i can only go on what i see.
Nail. On. Head.
There is not one single reason not to try and sign him. Wouldn't have any trouble playing in the premier league either, absolute beast.
Clasie and Carvalho aren't even close to the level that Schweinsteiger is. And the guy was a major part in one of the best Champions League winning sides ever seen!
Hah how many times have you watched Clasie play besides his pass to RVP in that friendly?
So you would prefer Clasie or Carvalho, both unproven in relatively poor leagues than Schweisteiger who is proven in a top league and at international level??? Clasie struggles to get in a poor Dutch side ahead of De fecking Guzman!
As for not 'lighting up games' how many central midfielders really do that? You sound like the sort of person who never rated Carrick in his prime because he was not scoring loads of goals.
And you have based this analysis just based on one game where they lost 4-0 against Madrid is it? Last World Cup, he was one of the best players for Germany. Same in the Euros that followed. Season after season, he has been the dominant force in the excellent Bayern team (the same team that absolutely humiliated Barcelona). It is only this season that he has been injured that we have not been able to see the best of Schweinsteiger (man that's hard to spell). Anyway, perhaps, you haven't watched enough of him to form an opinion to say how good a player he is, like I haven't seen Carvalho. But if you say that he should be preferred to Schweinsteiger based on merit then he must be one hell of a player.
I must have imagined that equalising goal in our last CL final. Or the 7 goals in 9 knockout games in that season and the season before. That's not quite as ludicrous as saying Schweinsteiger loses his composure in the big games but if you prefer Clasie - a player many Dutch fans are saying is Aston Villa-level - there's really no hope on that front.
You won't ever let go of your Pogba dream, huh?
I'd love to have him but it won't happen, don't see us splashing so much cash for one player.
As for Schweinsteiger, it is all rumours for now. I really cannot see him leave. He is revered by the fans and just as with Muller, they would go crazy if he were to be sold.
A man can dream!
But yeah. Very unlikley.
The german league is a top league financially, yes. Competitively, no chance. Last season bayern steam rolled their way to the title.
Lads, you are quoting me on things i did not say, which i will not respond to.
Bastian is 29, you may as well go for james mccarty because he is younger and you will get more distance out of him. Mc Carty as well isnt quite up to standard, but if thats the player van gaal wants, then so be it.
I am not disagreeing with you gratuitously or for the sake of arguing. I think bastian is being over hyped and wont deliver for what is demanded of him.
If this thread was about fabregas, i would be singing the praises of him. Or koke, yes.
Lads, you are quoting me on things i did not say, which i will not respond to.
Bastian is 29, you may as well go for james mccarty because he is younger and you will get more distance out of him. Mc Carty as well isnt quite up to standard, but if thats the player van gaal wants, then so be it.
I am not disagreeing with you gratuitously or for the sake of arguing. I think bastian is being over hyped and wont deliver for what is demanded of him.
If this thread was about fabregas, i would be singing the praises of him. Or koke, yes.
Are you serious about that? We're talking about easily the best midfielder in the CL only a year ago, who was the game changer several times against the best midfielders in Europe (easily outperforming Vidal, Pirlo, Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets, Gündogan, Yaya, when they met each other on the pitch in 2013), being one of the leaders in a CL winning team, a team that won every single CL game in 2013 with him (he missed both games, Bayern lost that year).
You've answered the question i suspect....clasie is nowhere near Utd standard. He may be in the future but not right now.
I shall refrain.
I'm sorry, but that's an absolutely ridiculous comment. Wayne Rooney has scored more goals against City than any player in our history, he has regularly terrorized Arsenal, he has an outstanding record in the CL knockout rounds including a superb equalizer in a final against one of the greatest teams to ever play the game, and he has regularly been the player we rely on when the chips are down in the most successful period in the club's history.
If anything, Rooney often plays worse when we're 3-0 up because he becomes a bit too complacent and sloppy.
Signing Schweinsteiger would lead to a better Rooney imo. I think our lack of quality in the middle is a bit understated in terms of how it has affected our strikers' performances.
Fair play on having an opinion - but it isn't really backed up by the evidence given how impressive he's been for Bayern competing at the very top level. Injuries may take their toll on him but I dont see how anyone can really question his ability as a player.
You use the phrase - "what is expected of him" which is a bit vacuous. I wouldnt expect him to come in and single handedly drag us back into the top 4, but as one of up to 3 or 4 new players I think he'd address an area where we are severely lacking.
You say he's better against the poorer sides - perhaps he is but you can say that aboput the vast majority of players, for obvious reasons. In terms of big games, he's played in plenty and always looks pretty handy when he does.
As it is we lack someone with an engine up and down the pitch and who can take the game by the scruff of the neck. He could be that player.
Was going to say something similar.
I must have imagined the hat-trick he scored against West Ham a few seasons ago when we were 2-0 down, and the overhead kick he scored against City, and the brace he scored to put us 2-0 up at the Etihad in the 3-2 win, and the 09/10 and 11/12 seasons when he was regularly winning points on his own (obviously not literally on his own).
He's certainly no fair weather player. Or at the very least, not more so than most others.
Is there a reason he's wearing an old kit?
We signed him a while ago and loaned him back to Bayern, apparently he could not get past Fletcher in the pecking order.
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