Bastian Schweinsteiger

[Dirty Schwein]

Is there a reason he's wearing an old kit?

He doesn't like Chevrolet

 

[northbynorthwest]

I'm sorry, but that's an absolutely ridiculous comment. Wayne Rooney has scored more goals against City than any player in our history, he has regularly terrorized Arsenal, he has an outstanding record in the CL knockout rounds including a superb equalizer in a final against one of the greatest teams to ever play the game, and he has regularly been the player we rely on when the chips are down in the most successful period in the club's history.

If anything, Rooney often plays worse when we're 3-0 up because he becomes a bit too complacent and sloppy.

Signing Schweinsteiger would lead to a better Rooney imo. I think our lack of quality in the middle is a bit understated in terms of how it has affected our strikers' performances.

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/wayne-rooney-2013-14-performances.185834/page-808

his performances are mixed. In fairness he does score crucial goals, but his general play can be terrible. Sometimes he doesnt control the ball or gives a poor pass.

hes a legend alright and a fighter and when on form unstoppable. But it comes and goes.

He wont be getting a statue when he retires i would imagine. Hes a step below the likes of best and charlton

 

[Dirty Schwein]

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/wayne-rooney-2013-14-performances.185834/page-808

his performances are mixed. In fairness he does score crucial goals, but his general play can be terrible. Sometimes he doesnt control the ball or gives a poor pass.

hes a legend alright and a fighter and when on form unstoppable. But it comes and goes.

He wont be getting a statue when he retires i would imagine. Hes a step below the likes of best and charlton

Being a step below Charlton or Best is no bad thing considering they were two of the greatest in our history...

 

[golden_blunder]

i do, because its manchester united. We have been giving out about carrick, fletcher, cleverly, anderson for the last five years. Its high time we signed a technically top MF like fabregas. Clasie doesnt look too bad i must say.

Signing a 29 year old as well is not favorable. Carvalho would prob be better. I can only go by what i have seen and from what i have seen of bastian, when the pressure is on, he doesnt do so well.

A poster made a comment that most teams you play are of a poor standard and that is totally true, but in the CL when you are playing the cream of europe, you want the guys who can do it under pressure. Its as much psychological as it is technical ability.

A lot of players are confidence players, like wayne rooney. when united are 3-0 up, he is great. But in the tough match he loses his composure.

I have watched bayern and germany in big games and bastian, doesnt play terrible, but doesnt light up the games either. Just my view.

If we did sign him and he did it against the big teams, i would say i was wrong, but i can only go on what i see.

the pressure was on at OT last season and he came up with the goods

the lad, despite his age, is still on of the top CM's in world football. He has all the skills + very competitive. He would give us real bite in the middle again.

 

[northbynorthwest]

the pressure was on at OT last season and he came up with the goods

the lad, despite his age, is still on of the top CM's in world football. He has all the skills + very competitive. He would give us real bite in the middle again.

he scored the goal and i dont deny that, but he was pretty inconspicuous regarding the overall match. kroos was giving the passes

 

[northbynorthwest]

Being a step below Charlton or Best is no bad thing considering they were two of the greatest in our history...

my point is that they gave performance after performance of quality. wayne drifts in and out of form. You could guarantee best would beat a few players every match.

 

[golden_blunder]

he scored the goal and i dont deny that, but he was pretty inconspicuous regarding the overall match. kroos was giving the passes

hmm i thought Kroos was a bit quiet in the first match

 

[RustyS]

It baffles me that in the Cesc, Kroos, and Schweinsteiger threads, there is people saying things to the effect of "do not want". I'm not saying people should not have preferences at all but I see it this way:

1- Any of the midfield names being mentioned are light years ahead of the midfielders we have.

2- We can't afford to be picky because it is not unthinkable that whoever our main target(s) is/are, they might turn us down.

3- We need more than one midfielder so it is not an either/or situation.


So even if I prefer a younger midfielder than Schwein, I'd be extremely happy if we do secure his signing. None of our targets are guaranteed to come here and Bastian would be a massive improvement to our midfield.

 

[Pexbo]

the pressure was on at OT last season and he came up with the goods

the lad, despite his age, is still on of the top CM's in world football. He has all the skills + very competitive. He would give us real bite in the middle again.

I still find "despite his age" talk of Schweinsteiger at 29 depressing.

 

[golden_blunder]

I still find "despite his age" talk of Schweinsteiger at 29 depressing.

it is, but we have to be realistic. we're not going to shell out 30+ million on someone over 27 years of age.

however, if we can pick hm up for less than 20m, happy days!

 

[northbynorthwest]

it is, but we have to be realistic. we're not going to shell out 30+ million on someone over 27 years of age.

however, if we can pick hm up for less than 20m, happy days!

i agree with that alright.

 

[northbynorthwest]

It baffles me that in the Cesc, Kroos, and Schweinsteiger threads, there is people saying things to the effect of "do not want". I'm not saying people should not have preferences at all but I see it this way:

1- Any of the midfield names being mentioned are light years ahead of the midfielders we have.

2- We can't afford to be picky because it is not unthinkable that whoever our main target(s) is/are, they might turn us down.

3- We need more than one midfielder so it is not an either/or situation.


So even if I prefer a younger midfielder than Schwein, I'd be extremely happy if we do secure his signing. None of our targets are guaranteed to come here and Bastian would be a massive improvement to our midfield.

out of them three, cesc is the better footballer. Kroos does play as a ten though. but cesc is a better holding CM than kroos is a ten.

 

[Gladiator]

It baffles me that in the Cesc, Kroos, and Schweinsteiger threads, there is people saying things to the effect of "do not want". I'm not saying people should not have preferences at all but I see it this way:

1- Any of the midfield names being mentioned are light years ahead of the midfielders we have.

2- We can't afford to be picky because it is not unthinkable that whoever our main target(s) is/are, they might turn us down.

3- We need more than one midfielder so it is not an either/or situation.


So even if I prefer a younger midfielder than Schwein, I'd be extremely happy if we do secure his signing. None of our targets are guaranteed to come here and Bastian would be a massive improvement to our midfield.

feel the same way rusty. i find the nitpickiness a bit weird considering we arent in CL this upcoming season.

 

[Blackwidow]

out of them three, cesc is the better footballer. Kroos does play as a ten though. but cesc is a better holding CM than kroos is a ten.

Is he?

I find it funny that a Del Bosque says that out of the German players he would like to have Schweinsteiger (and Müller) if he has such bundles of riches in midfield... Probably they offer another edge for the play that the Spaniards do not have. We have some of the same type of players like the spanish - Kroos is one, Götze and Özil - but the combination the 2 mentioned offer the spanish do not have.

Schweinsteiger is not the major passer, he is not absolutely pressing resistent - but he is a player that is really an allrounder, from taking over the passing job or the box-to-box-job, he can be useful on the wing and he is useful with headers both in the own as in the opponents box. He can clock the match - change it from recharging batteries to power mode - he can play very offensively and very defensively. He is a fighter and a strategist. He is not Mr. Dynamic - but he is far more dynamic than e.g. Kroos is. He has a high workrate. He has a personality that makes him to be in the middle of the dressing room. There is better specialists for anything he does - but he has less weaknesses than the most players have.

He is just a really complete central midfielder!

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But - I do not see him in Manchester if he leaves Munich. He had a good relationship with van Gaal - being one of the players that told he is great even in times (the first year) when the Bayern lead was talking trash. But he is the guy who still loves to sozialise - he has not settled to now - and it seems like he and his girlfriend until now do not plan to get kids and lead a more quiet life. I just think that he might be drawn by England - but then it would be London calling - Chelsea. Mou wants him since years.

If he would leave...

 

[northbynorthwest]

Is he?

I find it funny that a Del Bosque says that out of the German players he would like to have Schweinsteiger (and Müller) if he has such bundles of riches in midfield... Probably they offer another edge for the play that the Spaniards do not have. We have some of the same type of players like the spanish - Kroos is one, Götze and Özil - but the combination the 2 mentioned offer the spanish do not have.

the spanish could probably put out three teams of MFs that would make any team in the world. They have a plethora of talent at their disposal.

 

[Blackwidow]

the spanish could probably put out three teams of MFs that would make any team in the world. They have a plethora of talent at their disposal.

I know. All kind of technical midfielders. All very similar.

 

[Adam-Utd]

 

[kps88]

We often complain about the lack of leaders on the pitch for us; this guy is a born leader.

 

[Big Ben Foster]

Who is that? Seems like a completely random person making up BS.

 

[Santos J]

Who is that? Seems like a completely random person making up BS.

Nah Goddard's a licensed agent and has always been quite reliable as far as I remember.

 

[Litch]

This boat sailed about 4 seasons ago. Injuries have had a massive impact on his game. Still quality player but there's better out there with something to prove.

Not sure why we've become the team based on signing the other big teams rejects all of a sudden....

 

[Balu]

This boat sailed about 4 seasons ago. Injuries have had a massive impact on his game. Still quality player but there's better out there with something to prove.

Not sure why we've become the team based on signing the other big teams rejects all of a sudden....

Seriously? Some of the United fans on this forum deserve to watch another season with Fellaini and Cleverley starting every game in midfield.

 

[strongwalker]

We often complain about the lack of leaders on the pitch for us; this guy is a born leader.

To be honest, he isn't really. He is a leader as much as any player his age, his experience level and his current position on the field is. But he isn't a natural. He is rather quiet and introverted. He isn't an Effenberg, Matthäus or Ballack.
He is, though, an enormous asset for the team. Because of his natural skills on the ball (remember he started as a left winger) his physique and his ability to read the game, he is the ideal man to organize a play intelligently. True he doesn'T all too often play the miracle passes though he has been seen to do that, but he will go where he sees a gap a second or two before everyone else sees it.
To really shine, he needs a counterpart as he has at Bayern in Kroos or Thiago (ahead of him) or Martinez beside him.

That being said, it is much more unlikely he will ever leave Bayern than it is for Müller or Kroos.

 

[northbynorthwest]

I know. All kind of technical midfielders. All very similar.

mata and silva are 10s. Alonso/busquets/martinez are the holding. xavi/koke/fabregas are the creative/possession men and the greatest of them all iniesta is well, iniesta. navas/pedro on the wings. Thiago as well. herrera. illamendi and isco. They are all technical like you say, but do different things.

 

[RedDF]

We often complain about the lack of leaders on the pitch for us; this guy is a born leader.

Too bad he can't speak English :P

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

He has been carrying injuries for a while. He wouldn't be a wise multimillion investment for anyone till he gets over them

 

[2 man midfield]

He has been carrying injuries for a while. He wouldn't be a wise multimillion investment for anyone till he gets over them

There seems to be a high risk element with all the targets we are linked with. The only one we know is a banker is Vidal, and he's basically untouchable. Most of them are either getting on, injured, unproven or hugely expensive. We're gonna have to bite the bullet somewhere along the line i think.

 

[bugmat]

It baffles me that in the Cesc, Kroos, and Schweinsteiger threads, there is people saying things to the effect of "do not want". I'm not saying people should not have preferences at all but I see it this way:

1- Any of the midfield names being mentioned are light years ahead of the midfielders we have.

2- We can't afford to be picky because it is not unthinkable that whoever our main target(s) is/are, they might turn us down.

3- We need more than one midfielder so it is not an either/or situation.


So even if I prefer a younger midfielder than Schwein, I'd be extremely happy if we do secure his signing. None of our targets are guaranteed to come here and Bastian would be a massive improvement to our midfield.

+1 - as long as they can adjust to the league i'm happy with any improvements on playing personnel.

 

[Mister Ed]

There seems to be a high risk element with all the targets we are linked with. The only one we know is a banker is Vidal, and he's basically untouchable. Most of them are either getting on, injured, unproven or hugely expensive. We're gonna have to bite the bullet somewhere along the line i think.

Which ones ?

The only other 2 I can recall are Gundogan (and he is off limits now that he signed a new contract at Dortmund) and Strootman and given his age and previous fitness record, I would hardly call his current condition a big risk. Signing Strootman makes alot of sense, the only difficult hurdly is getting AS-Roma to cooperate (not putting it beyond the realm of possibilities, it might still be on for us this summer and if not it is likely he'll be one of our winter or next summer targets as long as LVG is here).

Kroos is not a big risk, he is just really hard to get because Bayern don't want to let him go and meanwhile Real Madrid have started sniffing around. Fabregas isn't a risk, but apparentley he prefers iving and playing in London over Manchester, what can you do about it ? Vidal, Pogba and the likes are similar really difficult to get, they don't want to leave their current clubs perse, their clubs don't want to let them go and you are in competition with the likes of Real Madrid and PSG for their signatures.

Sure thing Schweinsteiger is a top midfielder, but he is 30+ and has been carring injurry problmes for a sustained period of time now. I don't think spending massive cash on him is wise, it is wiser spending it on younger players or more reliable (in terms of fitness) players. That has nothing to do with biting a bullet, it has to do with sensible investment. There are other players out there than just the ones I have discussed here, we should be looking at those options. I wouldn't mind Schweinsteiger, but only if it is for a price in the upper regions of £20m and only if Schweinsteiger would want it. RVP was a smart buy, and similar, simply because he is a class player and the risk in terms of injurrys and the loss of value (because of his age) are offseted on the fact we signed him for like £24m (which was a steal for a player of his quality because of his contract situation). Similar scenario with Bastian, I'd be all for, but going bezongas and spending upwards of £30m on him simply would be unwise.

 

[2 man midfield]

Which ones ?

The only other 2 I can recall are Gundogan (and he is off limits now that he signed a new contract at Dortmund) and Strootman and given his age and previous fitness record, I would hardly call his current condition a big risk. Signing Strootman makes alot of sense, the only difficult hurdly is getting AS-Roma to cooperate (not putting it beyond the realm of possibilities, it might still be on for us this summer and if not it is likely he'll be one of our winter or next summer targets as long as LVG is here).

Kroos is not a big risk, he is just really hard to get because Bayern don't want to let him go and meanwhile Real Madrid have started sniffing around. Fabregas isn't a risk, but apparentley he prefers iving and playing in London over Manchester, what can you do about it ? Vidal, Pogba and the likes are similar really difficult to get, they don't want to leave their current clubs perse, their clubs don't want to let them go and you are in competition with the likes of Real Madrid and PSG for their signatures.

Sure thing Schweinsteiger is a top midfielder, but he is 30+ and has been carring injurry problmes for a sustained period of time now. I don't think spending massive cash on him is wise, it is wiser spending it on younger players or more reliable (in terms of fitness) players. That has nothing to do with biting a bullet, it has to do with sensible investment. There are other players out there than just the ones I have discussed here, we should be looking at those options. I wouldn't mind Schweinsteiger, but only if it is for a price in the upper regions of £20m and only if Schweinsteiger would want it. RVP was a smart buy, and similar, simply because he is a class player and the risk in terms of injurrys and the loss of value (because of his age) are offseted on the fact we signed him for like £24m (which was a steal for a player of his quality because of his contract situation). Similar scenario with Bastian, I'd be all for, but going bezongas and spending upwards of £30m on him simply would be unwise.

Strootman, if signed this summer due to his injury. He'd be thrown in much like Fellaini was with no pre-season. Shouldn't deter us, but still an element of risk attached to it. Carvalho and Clasie are unproven, Schweinsteiger as you mentioned is a slight risk, Fabregas hasn't played in the role we would utilise him in since he left Arsenal and all would come for big money, with perhaps the exception of Clasie, who i will admit i haven't seen play so can't comment whether he'd be worth it. Varying degrees of risk, and all transfers carry them anyway, but any potential midfield signing we've been linked with carries something with them.

 

[Mister Ed]

Strootman, if signed this summer due to his injury. He'd be thrown in much like Fellaini was with no pre-season. Shouldn't deter us, but still an element of risk attached to it. Carvalho and Clasie are unproven, Schweinsteiger as you mentioned is a slight risk, Fabregas hasn't played in the role we would utilise him in since he left Arsenal and all would come for big money, with perhaps the exception of Clasie, who i will admit i haven't seen play so can't comment whether he'd be worth it. Varying degrees of risk, and all transfers carry them anyway, but any potential midfield signing we've been linked with carries something with them.

That is the key part of course. Varying degrees of risk, small risks can be accepteable, espeically if the price is ok, it is the huge ones we need to be carefull about.

Agree about Clasie and Carvalho being risky signings, personally I don't rate Clasie but I have been very impressed with Carvalho (and believe he could really be one of the next big things midfield wise). I think Carvalho is worth alot more than Clasie but spending like £35m on him is probably unwise, but if we could get him for like £25m (or less) I'd be willing to bite the bullet and take the risk. Clasie, I wouldn't want him if he'd cost us anything more than £5-£10m max but for £5m he could be a valuable squad rotation player for us (and who knows how things could turn out, but for £5m there is not much to lose, but if we put £15m or more for him on the table, that is being to risky for and unwise.

 

[Stanzin Lama]

To really shine, he needs a counterpart as he has at Bayern in Kroos or Thiago (ahead of him) or Martinez beside him.

Those are three different kinds of midfielders you have there. What does it even mean?

 

[Dirty Schwein]

I seriously can't believe some of the shit I'm reading here. We have a midfield of Cleverly, Fellaini, Carrick and Fletcher yet we have the gaul to turn our noses up at a world class player who is proven at every level.

 

[NMF]

I seriously can't believe some of the shit I'm reading here. We have a midfield of Cleverly, Fellaini, Carrick and Fletcher yet we have the gaul to turn our noses up at a world class player who is proven at every level.

They are just as bad as the people turning their noses up at Sanchez because we need to give our average players game time.

 

[Booyakasha]

Not sure why we've become the team based on signing the other big teams rejects all of a sudden....

Schweinsteiger is a Bayern reject? You haven't been following the Bundesliga at all, have you?

1. We are not in Europe.
2. Our current options are cleverly, Fellaini, Anderson, a recuperating Fletcher and a 33 year old Carrick.

We can't be too picky. Signing schweinsteiger for anything under 15 million would be a steal.

 

[sullydnl]

Quite similar to the RvP signing really. A top player who is nearing 30 and has had serious injury problems. If it works out it's a coup that massively raises the team's quality, if it doesn't it's a really bad mistake.

With that element of risk it really comes down to the price. Given Schweinsteiger's proven quality, previous history with LVG and our desperate situation in cm, I'd say anything between 20m - 30m is a risk worth taking.

Oh, and if players like Mata and Schweinsteiger count as other big teams' rejects then I'm more than happy to keep signing them.

 

[Kag]

Seriously? Some of the United fans on this forum deserve to watch another season with Fellaini and Cleverley starting every game in midfield.

Indeed. Some of the posts I've read recently regarding both Schweinsteiger and Fabregas have been hilariously terrible.

 

[RedRover]

They are just as bad as the people turning their noses up at Sanchez because we need to give our average players game time.

Indeed. I'm not sure why fans are worrying about whether other players (who have had a chance and haven't impressed for the mopst part - not least last season) will be happy sitting on the bench. If they arent they know where the door is.

 

[sullydnl]

Indeed. I'm not sure why fans are worrying about whether other players (who have had a chance and haven't impressed for the mopst part - not least last season) will be happy sitting on the bench. If they arent they know where the door is.

Plus a lot of those players will probably be gone before it even gets to that stage. The squad is currently a lot bigger than we need it to be for next season, we could easily get rid of a fair few underperformers even without taking new signings into account.

Not like those players couldn't be relatively easily replaced once we're back in the CL again, is it?

 

[Blackwidow]

Be sure that some players will leave in August... Van Gaal is not reluctant to tell players that they do not match in his plans...