Well what I have heard its been his knee, still think the signing would be a risk with our current injury's effecting the squad
Bastian Schweinsteiger | Signed for MUFC - confirmed.
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Well what I have heard its been his knee, still think the signing would be a risk with our current injury's effecting the squad
From Sky's transfer centre.
He had one knee injury in august who costed him 4 months it wasn't a recurring problem, from that he has been a mainstay in the team. What he struggled with was an ankle tear before the Euro that he didn't took care of because of the Euro and played with infiltration, that injury created niggling injuries but he treated that in 2013, since then his ankle seems fine.
ok, glad got that cleared, some say his knee, some say his ankle. If he is signed? would not surprise me within 2 months of the season, oh Schweinsteiger will miss 3 weeks, its just the clubs luck. If he is signed? and he remains fit, which I hate that word, he will improve our engine room. But still think we will need 2 CM players, a number 6 and number 8. Doubt Bayern will let him leave, and its just another pointless rumor of him leaving
Nothing to consider. If it's possible to bring him in then do it.
So both the BBC and Sky saying we're interested. Can't see us not getting him now, hopefully along with Schneiderlin.
Great signing. As would Ramos
There is some Voodoo in Carrington, our players can't stay fit, so yeah he will miss at least 10%-20% of the season.
The voodoo is Jones. He runs into everyone and injures them.
It'd definitely solidify our squad in terms of experience. Looking to bring in proven quality makes a lot of sense, especially if LVG wants to blood more youngsters around them during the season.
I was worried about how we'd replace Carrick so actually bringing in an upgrade on him would be impressive work on our part.
Definitely prefer this to the idea of signing Ramos, Schweinsteiger would be a much cuter buy.
Definitely prefer this to the idea of signing Ramos, Schweinsteiger would be a much cuter buy.
Mods, I think both the Swines Tiger and Ramos threads deserve a title update
When BBC reports something, it's happening
i'm retaining my pessimistic outlook. you can't lose when you're pessimistic.
They're not reporting that we are signing any of them though. Just that they're actual targets.When BBC reports something, it's happening
We'll sign at least one of them surely? it'd be horrible to miss out on both after a confirmed interest.
My worry is that signng him and Ramos will likely not mean signing Otamendi and Schneiderlinn, and considering the latter are younger, I think I'd prefer them.
Why would Woody brief the press about Schweinsteiger? Indicates to me that it won't happen.
Exactly my thoughts. Seems a bit short-termism as we will only have to replace them relatively soonish anyway.
I agree - don't want us signing a bunch of 39 year olds who are out looking for a final payday.
Hopefully both aren't contract chasing. Wouldn't be new
Rumour has it Schneiderlin in Arsenal bound, I would actually prefer him to Bastian, even though they are not exactly the same type of player
The club have definitely being briefing as Simon Stone wouldn't write an article on it otherwise. Would be an interesting signing but I'd prefer Schniderlin.
Not sure if that's tongue in cheek but whilst we do need a few more experienced heads in that area of the field, we also need to bring in some players with the hunger to elevate their game.
I don't think the signing of Bastian will necessarily rule out another midfield signing. Carrick won't be available very often at this stage in his career and Blind is the only other option in that DM role but he's more of a squad player.
For good reason. Players tend drop a level or two as the progress along their 30s. It's such a natural thing to happen. People say that players at 30 can play at the top for another 4-5 years at their top level but it rarely happens. Even the latest example of a player doing well at such an age, Terry, was looking finished for a good few years before this. Even mourinho felt he was done.
And the reservation people really have with older players is regarding big fees more than anything, which is fair.
When you sign someone like sterling for big money, you have room to manoeuvre, which is IMO how it should be for big signings. If city get him, an injury ridden year won't destroy the signing completely. Sigh a 29/30 year old for big money, and it needs to work immediately. An injury ridden really ruins his chances of making it a success.
Agree with that man & also would like to add, gettin all 4 would be a really sweet summer transfer window for us. Chance would be a fine thing though..
Would be incredible
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Well a lot of them if not most start declining in form.
Humans are at their physical peak when they are 23-27 years old (take or give year). This physical peak usually coincides with a players best period. That is not to say those players become useless when they reach the 30 year mark but they do start to decline. Some players can decline very fast very sudden with others it can be a long gradual process. It is hard to say which one you'll be in for with a 30 year old player but what you do know is they won't be at their best anymore and they have no future resale value. Often the physical decline can also increase the likelihood of injuries.
Which makes investing a lot of money in these players quite risky. And when we are talking about investing money it isn't just the transfer price is also the wages.
If you compare that a player of 25 years old the wages are usually significantly lower. There is most likely a substantial resale value at the end of his contract (or the possibility for another couple of years without needing to pay a transfer fee). And you have more chance of having a high performant player because they are at the peak of their ability.
Looking at the investment for Schweinsteiger:
Transfer price + Wages/year * years in the contract + Resale value we won't have (opportunity cost)
I'll make an hyphotecial example for Schweini
£10m transfer fee + £10m/year * 4 years + £20m resale value = £70m investment to have in our midfield for the next 4 years and that isn't the schweinsteiger from 4 years ago but the 30+ year old one that is having injury problems and will lose speed and energy and decline in form every year a little more.
Compare that to signing somebody like Gündogan
£25m + £5m/year * 4 years = £45m investment That is for a player at the peak of his ability.
Summary:
No 30+ doesn't mean they are useless but they are on the decline and the high wages + lack of resale value often makes the investment for such a declining player quite high even if the involved transfer fee to bring the here in the first place is on the low side (imagine such transfers with high transfer fee and they definitely wouldn't be worth it unless the quality of the player is truly exceptional).
Well a lot of them if not most start declining in form.
Humans are at their physical peak when they are 23-27 years old (take or give year). This physical peak usually coincides with a players best period. That is not to say those players become useless when they reach the 30 year mark but they do start to decline. Some players can decline very fast very sudden with others it can be a long gradual process. It is hard to say which one you'll be in for with a 30 year old player but what you do know is they won't be at their best anymore and they have no future resale value. Often the physical decline can also increase the likelihood of injuries.
Which makes investing a lot of money in these players quite risky. And when we are talking about investing money it isn't just the transfer price is also the wages.
If you compare that a player of 25 years old the wages are usually significantly lower. There is most likely a substantial resale value at the end of his contract (or the possibility for another couple of years without needing to pay a transfer fee). And you have more chance of having a high performant player because they are at the peak of their ability.
Looking at the investment for Schweinsteiger:
Transfer price + Wages/year * years in the contract + Resale value we won't have (opportunity cost)
I'll make an hyphotecial example for Schweini
£10m transfer fee + £10m/year * 4 years + £20m resale value = £70m investment to have in our midfield for the next 4 years and that isn't the schweinsteiger from 4 years ago but the 30+ year old one that is having injury problems and will lose speed and energy and decline in form every year a little more.
Compare that to signing somebody like Gündogan
£25m + £5m/year * 4 years = £45m investment That is for a player at the peak of his ability.
Summary:
No 30+ doesn't mean they are useless but they are on the decline and the high wages + lack of resale value often makes the investment for such a declining player quite high even if the involved transfer fee to bring the here in the first place is on the low side (imagine such transfers with high transfer fee and they definitely wouldn't be worth it unless the quality of the player is truly exceptional).
it'd be nice in theory but considering we will still need a right back and a striker along with that, it might be asking too much.
Both short term solutions, would prefer schneiderlin and otamendi.
It's important that you don't have a squad full of 30+ year olds, for sure, but there's no harm in signing one or two when you only have two or three in the squad as it is and one of those is likely leaving anyway.
For CM & CB 29-32 are probably peak years, very different to strikers and wingers.
Absolutely, but if it was for a knock-down deal & not our only CM addition - then i'd be all for it. Actually, im not bothered about the money aspect of it - i just want us to sign 2 top-class CB's & CM's..
For feck sake just buy Schneiderlin. Younger, cheaper version.
2 years ago they did the same thing about Arsenal interested in signing Di Maria and BenzemaWhen BBC reports something, it's happening
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23790314
Until they sign on the dotted line nothing is certain
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