Agreed, needs to be addressed this window.
Bastian Schweinsteiger | Signed for MUFC - confirmed.
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Agreed, needs to be addressed this window.
Fair enough but no harm in having options, especially in midfield.
So no room left for easily our best midfielder of the last season or pretty much any of the last 6 or so seasons?
Easily our best midfielder last season? Nothing easy about it, and anyway most on here would go for Herrera.
You need a spell check.
I think we're agreed, I'm not saying he is finished. However must not make the same mistake we did with Scholes. We need a top class replacement for him this summer, that doesn't mean hes finished but he is turning 34, when he eventually goes we need his replacement already settled here.
Agreed!
Herrera did well, but we were a totally different team depending on whether Carrick was in our out of the XI.
Which is why I'm so nervous about suddenly demoting him from the first XI, even if it's for quality new signings. If you've got a fantastic individual player, you can relatviely safely swap them for somebody you believe to be of similar or greater ability indivudally. Whereas judging whether a Swiney or a Shnidey can make the whole team tick the same way as Carrick does is much more lap-of-the-gods.
From the sounds of some people if we miss out on younger players it's the end of the world.
Look at our squad currently.
Expected first team action (and to be here):
Valdes (33)
Shaw (19)
Rafael (24)
Valencia (29)
Smalling(25)
Rojo (25)
Jones (23)
Carrick (34)
Fellaini (27)
Blind (25)
Herrera (26)
Mata (27)
Di Maria (27)
Young (29)
Depay (21)
Rooney (29)
Average age of 26.5. (Even with Valdes a GK, and Carrick who I guarantee won't be playing much)
Then you've got promising youngsters (that I expect to stick around):
Mcnair (20)
Blackett (21)
Lingard (22)
Januzaj (20)
Pereira (19)
Wilson (19)
Average age of 20.
And all of those together, you're talking around an average age of 24-25. I've missed a few players out just because I don't think they'll play much of a part next season or they won't be here. So the likes of RVP/Chicha/Nani. But at the same time I've left out a lot of youngsters too. I can't see how having some more older/experienced 30 year olds (who have won World Cups and Champions Leagues mind you), with a current average age of 24.7 (to be precise), is going to be damaging. If anything it's very beneficial.
And when people start talking about how much we pay them, who the hell cares. The club will pay them what they feel they can. If it's too much they won't sign them. This is United, we're always hovering around being 2nd to 3rd in the richest clubs.
Look at our squad currently.
Expected first team action (and to be here):
Valdes (33)
Shaw (19)
Rafael (24)
Valencia (29)
Smalling(25)
Rojo (25)
Jones (23)
Carrick (34)
Fellaini (27)
Blind (25)
Herrera (26)
Mata (27)
Di Maria (27)
Young (29)
Depay (21)
Rooney (29)
Average age of 26.5. (Even with Valdes a GK, and Carrick who I guarantee won't be playing much)
Then you've got promising youngsters (that I expect to stick around):
Mcnair (20)
Blackett (21)
Lingard (22)
Januzaj (20)
Pereira (19)
Wilson (19)
Average age of 20.
And all of those together, you're talking around an average age of 24-25. I've missed a few players out just because I don't think they'll play much of a part next season or they won't be here. So the likes of RVP/Chicha/Nani. But at the same time I've left out a lot of youngsters too. I can't see how having some more older/experienced 30 year olds (who have won World Cups and Champions Leagues mind you), with a current average age of 24.7 (to be precise), is going to be damaging. If anything it's very beneficial.
And when people start talking about how much we pay them, who the hell cares. The club will pay them what they feel they can. If it's too much they won't sign them. This is United, we're always hovering around being 2nd to 3rd in the richest clubs.
I agree with this - should have already happened. But that doesn't mean he doesn't remain a key player for us (and regular first team starter) for at least another season.
I don;t agree with this notion that we must buy two central mids per se. Pereira is the real deal in my view, and should be playing next season.
Depends. If Schweinsteiger is better than him as a #6 and we want to keep Herrera at #8 then dropping Carrick to the bench makes sense.
Carrick is certainly our most important player atm but that's largely because nobody else can do what he does for us. If that changes with Schweinsteiger's arrival then he becomes far less essential, unless we want the two of them partnering each other. I'm not sure that would necessarily be the best idea...
Bold thing to be guarenteeing... Carrick will play at least as many games as he has this season (Unless he suffers from even more injuries).
These signings could go either way .We could have much needed experience through the spine of the team.Or two players struggling to come to terms with the pace and rough and tumble of the PL.
Pereira should be competing/rotating with Herera for a spot. Schweintiger with Carrick and Schneiderlin should take Fellaini's spot in the team.
Provided we play the same formation that we ended last season with that's two players for each position. Perfect
I definitely hope Schweinsteiger comes here, his own arrival is more than enough, but also to see the early Carrick dismissal around rethink
I think Rooney/Di Maria will be competing for Fellaini's spot.
Not to say they will only be used on that position like Di Maria will also be used on the wings in that regard he is also competitng with Mata, Depay, Young and Januzaj
Rooney will also be used as a striker and in that regard I think we still need to sign somebody so he has some competion (because I don't Wilson is ready and I doubt Hernandez is what LVG has in mind for good competition). (And I assumpe/hope RVP will be off)
3 years is a long time in football, and hes 3 years younger than carrick.
7.5 million is worth it for his experience alone. Can't believe anyone wouldn't want him for that price.
In isolation, that decision is a no-brainer.
If it means passing up on, say, Schneiderlin then it's not such an easy call. I'd much prefer us to sign the latter fwiw.
If the 7.5 million is true that is peanuts nowadays in terms of transfers but because it's such a low amount I'd fully expect us to go get schneiderlain too. If schweinsteiger is our only midfield signing then yes it can be a problem but I can't see it tbh.
I really like Schweinsteiger, I love the way he plays and his experience and leadership would be a great help here. However, this could likely be him angling for more playing time and a new contract since he started just 15 games last season, and he only has a year left on his contract.
Doesn't anyone wonder how much Schweinsteiger has left, he has played an awful lot of football for Bayern and Germany over the last decade and there's no half measures with him, he doesn't leave anything on the pitch.
I found Beckenbauer's comments interesting, when he said Schweinsteiger would struggle to adapt to the Premier.
" He has played with great force and put a lot of pressure on his body for many years. That saps energy. He could end his career in the USA instead." "If I was in Schweini's place, I would stay one or two more years at Bayern"
Looks like Beckenbauer feels he has another year or maybe two in him and then he should go retire in the MSL.
Doesn't anyone wonder how much Schweinsteiger has left, he has played an awful lot of football for Bayern and Germany over the last decade and there's no half measures with him, he doesn't leave anything on the pitch.
I found Beckenbauer's comments interesting, when he said Schweinsteiger would struggle to adapt to the Premier.
" He has played with great force and put a lot of pressure on his body for many years. That saps energy. He could end his career in the USA instead." "If I was in Schweini's place, I would stay one or two more years at Bayern"
Looks like Beckenbauer feels he has another year or maybe two in him and then he should go retire in the MSL.
What kind of wages do we reckon olde Schweiny would demand? Any idea anyone?
I ask because the "money ball" side of football is often forgotten. We all thought we were getting a great transfer with Falcao, he too had injury problems and people said it was worth the risk. Well an good that we have plenty of money, but I'd prefer not to waste it on another player who possibly could turn out to be quite injury prone for us and be taking in £200+ per week! Basically another £16m down the swanny!
I ask because the "money ball" side of football is often forgotten. We all thought we were getting a great transfer with Falcao, he too had injury problems and people said it was worth the risk. Well an good that we have plenty of money, but I'd prefer not to waste it on another player who possibly could turn out to be quite injury prone for us and be taking in £200+ per week! Basically another £16m down the swanny!
He should stay at Bayern. I don't see what's in it for him if he comes here, besides what will likely be a massive salary. Don't want any mercenary type signings for players like Schweinsteiger or Ramos that would have no interest in playing for us under normal circumstances.
The PL is the absolute worst league to play in if you're an ageing, slightly past it player, who has suffered recent injuries. See Torres, RVP, Shevchenko, Falcao...
Schweinsteiger should be a luxury, low risk, worth a punt, kind of signing. Not someone we should be placing all our hope with.
Schweinsteiger should be a luxury, low risk, worth a punt, kind of signing. Not someone we should be placing all our hope with.
What normal circumstances, if they dont want to sing a new contract and want to come to us those are normal circumstances.
Either strained relationships with their club or apparently no longer being needed.
And you can bet your life that as soon as the possibility of either player leaving becomes confirmed, other clubs will come in.
Levelling mercenary at players like Schweinsteiger and Ramos is a little unfair. With Ramos there may well be money issues at Madrid, but if Bastian was to make a move here then I wouldn't perceive that to be anything untoward.
The guy is 31 and it's his last opportunity to play some football elsewhere, at a great club with a manager that he knows well. He'd also, probably, get more game time here.
I'd still take him, bags of experience could be needed to settle our midfield.
schweini also worked with van gaal before so I could see something in this. not going to be too fussed if we don't get him though.
schweini also worked with van gaal before so I could see something in this. not going to be too fussed if we don't get him though.
If it's Schweiny plus another (Schnedierlin?) then fine. But we can't pin all our hopes on him to resolve the midfield. Last summer we threw money at Falcao and this transfer for me is very similar to it. Ageing player with injuries who wants to prove he has one last run in him with a ridiculous wage for us to fork out?
For a club of our size, we should be aiming for young, talented players who have started to show genuine promise and integrate them with the experienced players we have at the club already (Rooney, Carrick, Valencia etc)
I know, I meant mercenary type signing because the only reason they'd come here is if they had no option and the money was good. We finished 4th last year in all seriousness, I just don't get why they'd come here when looking at it from their point of view and not through red tinted glasses.
I felt the same about Di Maria. These signings never work out and I, personally, never really take to these players. Most others don't either, as evidenced by the Di Maria and Falcao threads this season. It's just not how we normally operate.
Schweinsteiger could get the contract he wants at Bayern. It'd be about playing in a different environment for him while he's still at the top.
Ramos will get the pay hike he wants and stay anyways.
You don't see what schweinsteiger particularly will get by moving? He's I a team that wins the league in 3rd gear. The only competition is in the CL. He won't be at the top for more than the next 3 odd years. It's his last chance to play in a different team and league while he still can dominate.
Regarding the part I'm bold, it's just not how Sir Alex operated. We were unique in that regard. It had to change and we'd be like normal clubs again. Different managers from time to time, different ideas on how everything would be done.
From what I've read, Pep sees a more limited role for Schweinsteiger and that's why he might leave. He probably realises that you can't plan a team including a player that's injured more and more, whilst being past his peak.
Unless said team is called 'Manchester United'.
Again no strange circumstances.
He'd be better off staying at Bayern then, like I said. He's not the same physically, so why leave to a more competitive league. Especially to a club that hasn't competed for 2 years.
We need to be building a team for the future, not trying to plug holes in our squad in an attempt to win something during LVGs tenure. This is the approach Inter and AC Milan took and look what happened to them.
Normal circumstances are what they've had all their careers in that they play every week, at their peak and everybody is happy. Being forced out/falling out with your club or told you're not as important to the team isn't normal circumstances.
Seems that way. At the moment it looks desperate and short sighted to me. Just throw money at players that may or may not be past their best but are potentially available.
Injury prone 31 year old who plays for a team that walks to the league, moving to a team who'll expect him to be the defensive rock of the side in a far more physical league and the expectations are for the team to challenge for the league title.
He's a quality player no doubt but at 31 and his injuries being what they are it doesn't bode well I fear!
That's the path we seem to be taking this summer, i.e. if rumors are to be belived. Imagine a squad consisting of Valdes, Schweini, Ramos, Young, Rooney, Valencia, Nani - a year or two down the line, all of them past 30, sitting with 3 or 4 years left on their mega contracts...Yikes.- Status