Bastian Schweinsteiger | Exit Speculation

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Remember the club briefings when LVG got the sack? There was talk that a lot of the players were not too happy with Schweinsteiger jetting off to Germany whenever he was injured or had a day off. There was more than a suggestion that he wasn't really committed.

I'd say what's happening now could be of direct consequence to that behaviour. How would Mourinho look to the rest of the squad if he welcomed him into the team with open arms and a clean slate after supposedly taking the piss last season?

He would most likely offer little anyway. His legs are gone and he's on the treatment table regularly. £150k+ a week? The guy's an authentic football legend but there's no room for sentiment in today's game.
 
Smoking_Owl said:
Remember the club briefings when LVG got the sack? There was talk that a lot of the players were not too happy with Schweinsteiger jetting off to Germany whenever he was injured or had a day off. There was more than a suggestion that he wasn't really committed.

I'd say what's happening now could be of direct consequence to that behaviour. How would Mourinho look to the rest of the squad if he welcomed him into the team with open arms and a clean slate after taking the piss last season?

He would most likely offer little anyway. His legs are gone and he's on the treatment table regularly. £150k+ a week? The guy's an authentic football legend but there's no room for sentiment in today's game.
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Schweinsteiger had an extended injury and it's quite normal for players to fly home in that period. Happened under Fergie too IIRC.

Tbh I'm not sure how he's taken the piss if he's been given permission from LVG. Mourinho may not play that way, but that doesn't mean he's right to banish a player just because he was allowed to fly home under an old regime. Heck, even if you take Ferguson whose as ruthless as there is, he punished Anderson for flying to Brazil WITHOUT permission but never to the blind extent Mourinho is.

Contextualise it all you want but it's daft for mourinho to go this far. Last season is a testament to his overrated man management skills.
 
VP89 said:
Schweinsteiger had an extended injury and it's quite normal for players to fly home in that period. Happened under Fergie too IIRC.

Tbh I'm not sure how he's taken the piss if he's been given permission from LVG. Mourinho may not play that way, but that doesn't mean he's right to banish a player just because he was allowed to fly home under an old regime. Heck, even if you take Ferguson whose as ruthless as there is, he punished Anderson for flying to Brazil WITHOUT permission but never to the blind extent Mourinho is.

Contextualise it all you want but it's daft for mourinho to go this far. Last season is a testament to his overrated man management skills.
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It seemed from the briefing that fellow United players were dismayed by his behaviour and favoritism shown towards him. If his fellow teammates were feeling like that, it's easy to believe he was taking the piss.

This is all based on the assumption that those media reports were true (maybe they were exaggerated) but looking at how Mourinho and the club are treating him now, I have to say that those repercussions allign perfectly with someone who was taking liberties.
 
Orc said:
And to think I actually got into an argument with a poster here a couple of weeks back saying that Schweinsteiger is still world class and would be one of, if not the best midfielder in the league this coming season. That he would take Schweinsteiger in his current state over Kante without hesitating. :lol:

Clear as day when the club where he is a legendary figure was so quick to sell him that he was past it.
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:wenger:

@Balu can you correct Orc on this...
 
The role is not the league to go in when you are on the wane. The pace and the physicality is just too much
 
VP89 said:
Contextualise it all you want but it's daft for mourinho to go this far. Last season is a testament to his overrated man management skills.
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Mourinho is still an infinitely better man manager than the last idiot manager will ever be, so I'll trust him on this than the manager who saddled United with Schweinsteiger to begin with. Wasn't there even reports that Woodward never really wanted him and it was LVG mostly who pushed for it.
 
Seveneric said:
Mourinho is still an infinitely better man manager than the last idiot manager will ever be, so I'll trust him on this than the manager who saddled United with Schweinsteiger to begin with. Wasn't there even reports that Woodward never really wanted him and it was LVG mostly who pushed for it.
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Strongly doubt Woody would have had a problem with a big name German in for 6-7m.

Smoking_Owl said:
It seemed from the briefing that fellow United players were dismayed by his behaviour and favoritism shown towards him. If his fellow teammates were feeling like that, it's easy to believe he was taking the piss.

This is all based on the assumption that those media reports were true (maybe they were exaggerated) but looking at how Mourinho and the club are treating him now, I have to say that those repercussions allign perfectly with someone who was taking liberties.
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Even if those reports were true, do the repercussions really align perfectly? Taking away the liberties would be justified, but banishing the player completely is mind boggling.
 
I never got the impression he was particularly arsed about being here, to be honest. Won't be particularly sad to see him leave.
 
Earlier in this thread, I described the whole situation as the "next Evra". I was not precise enough, I didn't mean that Evra was forced out but that he left when a lot of fans had the feeling that he is too old for us, but then he did a very good job at Juventus (in a different league though).

I don't get it. Why is the club/Mourinho humiliating Schweinsteiger in public? I am a huge fan of Schweinsteiger, but of course I see that he is no longer the player he once was. But even if we want to get rid of him, we could do it in a much better way, right? It's a question of style and even a question of a few millions. I know, peanuts these days, but still money. (The way the club/coach deals with Schweinsteiger means that we are not interested in getting any money for him, right?)
 
Haven't read the thread. BFS played well in the Euros at least in parts. Think he still has a lot to offer. He deserves respect, at least.
 
Kant-ona said:
Earlier in this thread, I described the whole situation as the "next Evra". I was not precise enough, I didn't mean that Evra was forced out but that he left when a lot of fans had the feeling that he is too old for us, but then he did a very good job at Juventus (in a different league though).

I don't get it. Why is the club/Mourinho humiliating Schweinsteiger in public? I am a huge fan of Schweinsteiger, but of course I see that he is no longer the player he once was. But even if we want to get rid of him, we could do it in a much better way, right? It's a question of style and even a question of a few millions. I know, peanuts these days, but still money. (The way the club/coach deals with Schweinsteiger means that we are not interested in getting any money for him, right?)
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What does it even mean? Have we come out to the media and told them 'hey lads, check who's training with u23s jjajajajaja'? At the moment it's all pretty much speculation that somehow (uhm) hit the media that Schweinsteiger has trained with u23s and that allegedly he was told to move his shit from the first team locker. What about Mou told him that he has no future and asked him to look for a new club and he said 'no, I have a contract, feck you'? Or that narrative isn't that good because Mou is not the dick in this plot?
 
They want to get rid of 12M in salary after throwing around over 250 million dollars this summer. Simple as that. I wonder who would win a lawsuit, if Schweinsteiger simply refused to show up for the U23. Surely, when you sign a professional to be a professor at a university, you cannot demote them to student´s childcare services.
 
Kostur said:
What does it even mean? Have we come out to the media and told them 'hey lads, check who's training with u23s jjajajajaja'? At the moment it's all pretty much speculation that somehow (uhm) hit the media that Schweinsteiger has trained with u23s and that allegedly he was told to move his shit from the first team locker. What about Mou told him that he has no future and asked him to look for a new club and he said 'no, I have a contract, feck you'? Or that narrative isn't that good because Mou is not the dick in this plot?
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How is saying I have a contract being a dick? :confused:
 
Kostur said:
What does it even mean? Have we come out to the media and told them 'hey lads, check who's training with u23s jjajajajaja'? At the moment it's all pretty much speculation that somehow (uhm) hit the media that Schweinsteiger has trained with u23s and that allegedly he was told to move his shit from the first team locker. What about Mou told him that he has no future and asked him to look for a new club and he said 'no, I have a contract, feck you'? Or that narrative isn't that good because Mou is not the dick in this plot?
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I see your point and I don't say that you are wrong. But even if Schweinsteiger is not professional, the club should be. Instead of letting all these rumours flooding the world, the club could say the usual blablabla: He is still a fantastic player, his spirit is unbelievable, but the coach is rebuilding the squad... blablabla...

With all these rumours and no real diplomatic statement from the club, it seems as it is something personal and emotional. (The opposite of being professional imo.)
 
JustFootballFan said:
They want to get rid of 12M in salary after throwing around over 250 million dollars this summer. Simple as that. I wonder who would win a lawsuit, if Schweinsteiger simply refused to show up for the U23. Surely, when you sign a professional to be a professor at a university, you cannot demote them to student´s childcare services.
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The club, obviously. Fecking hell. Has the world gone mad? Manager drops player he doesn't want from first team squad. How very dare he?!? The hyperbole in this thread is demented
 
JustFootballFan said:
How is saying I have a contract being a dick? :confused:
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Am I saying it is? I'm saying that narrative that's being peddled at the moment points to Jose being a dick, which doesn't have to be true. If he asked to find a new club and Schweinsteiger doesn't want to do it due to the wages he earns here why is there any outrage that Jose told him to train with the reserves?
 
Kant-ona said:
I see your point and I don't say that you are wrong. But even if Schweinsteiger is not professional, the club should be. Instead of letting all these rumours flooding the world, the club could say the usual blablabla: He is still a fantastic player, his spirit is unbelievable, but the coach is rebuilding the squad... blablabla...

With all these rumours and no real diplomatic statement from the club, it seems as it is something personal and emotional. (The opposite of being professional imo.)
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I don't think that club should respond to every rumour one finds in newspapers to be fair, now that would be unprofessional. Mind you that at the moment there is no word from Schweinsteiger himself, there's all rumours of him moving his locker and a cryptic tweet from his brother, nothing else.
 
kouroux said:
I don't understand how some fans can get attached to players so quickly, specially when they haven't that much for the club nor haven't performed that well for it. A decision like that on a player like him wasn't taken just like that, something which displeased Mourinho and his coaching staff took place. I honestly don't care if this means that he'll leave, he's done next to nothing for the club for many reasons.
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It's something I've noticed too and I find it very odd.

Schweinsteiger contributed so little towards Utd and yet you've got people bringing up Vidic and Evra in comparison with him. As if they're all on the same level.
 
JustFootballFan said:
They want to get rid of 12M in salary after throwing around over 250 million dollars this summer. Simple as that. I wonder who would win a lawsuit, if Schweinsteiger simply refused to show up for the U23. Surely, when you sign a professional to be a professor at a university, you cannot demote them to student´s childcare services.
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There's no professional football contract that states you're a first team player or an U23s player.U23s players are also on professional contract and the manager has all the right to promote/demote player between the 1st team and U23s.
 
VP89 said:
Even if those reports were true, do the repercussions really align perfectly? Taking away the liberties would be justified, but banishing the player completely is mind boggling.
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Yeah, I think they do actually. Perfectly appropriate, especially if Mourinho told him he's not in his plans and he hasn't been making an effort to find a new club. He should swan off and get his pay day in the MLS and stop using OT as a retirment home. Although the US might be too far from Germany for his liking.
 
Smoking_Owl said:
Yeah, I think they do actually. Perfectly appropriate, especially if Mourinho told him he's not in his plans and he hasn't been making an effort to find a new club. He should swan off and get his pay day in the MLS and stop using OT as a retirment home. Although the US might be too far from Germany for his liking.
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Hasn't been making an effort to find a new club? :lol:

If clubs want him, they'd go ahead and bid. Its never appropriate in this case to shun a well decorated player like him away from the first team set up. Its not like he refused to train like Valdes was. Christ who would have thought wanting to fight for your place is a crime.
 
Some serious aggression towards Schweini in here. What's he done exactly to earn this?
 
VP89 said:
Hasn't been making an effort to find a new club? :lol:

If clubs want him, they'd go ahead and bid. Its never appropriate in this case to shun a well decorated player like him away from the first team set up. Its not like he refused to train like Valdes was. Christ who would have thought wanting to fight for your place is a crime.
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He'd get a club no problem if he reduced his wage demands. If he doesn't want to do that, fine - go train with the reserves Mr. World Cup winner.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Spent most of last season overweight and out of shape. Got repeatedly injured and seemed to use that as an excuse to go on vacation, with rumours that the players were pissed off with his constant absenteeism.
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I get the impression that he has been using the club as some sort of lucrative retirement home.

I think we will have a task on our hands getting rid of him.
 
It's a shame it's panned out like this. If he goes then I hope him all the best. I just wish it was handled better. This is no way to treat a player.
 
I feel a little sorry for him but this is football. If he's unwanted and we're trying to shape the squad up for pre-season then this makes sense. Given his massive wages to go along with his injuries and age, it makes sense to me.

He seems like a nice guy but I think it was one of Carrick or Schweinsteiger.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Spent most of last season overweight and out of shape. Got repeatedly injured and seemed to use that as an excuse to go on vacation, with rumours that the players were pissed off with his constant absenteeism.
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Is there anything more to it than yellow press slander?
 
Smoking_Owl said:
He'd get a club no problem if he reduced his wage demands. If he doesn't want to do that, fine - go train with the reserves Mr. World Cup winner.
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What is wrong with wanting to fight for your place?
 
GhastlyHun said:
Some serious aggression towards Schweini in here. What's he done exactly to earn this?
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A lot of reports that he made no effort to get back to full fitness after getting injured and was taking a lot of time off. Apparently a lot of players in the squad were unhappy with him getting special treatment.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
When the manager tells a player to leave they can't fight for their place. There's no place to fight for.
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Is it normal for managers to cast players available for sale out to the U21s, move their locker etc?

Again, I'm not saying he should be in our starting lineup if Mourinho doesn't rate him. But this is overkill and disrespectful.
 
VP89 said:
Is it normal for managers to cast players available for sale out to the U21s, move their locker etc?

Again, I'm not saying he should be in our starting lineup if Mourinho doesn't rate him. But this is overkill and disrespectful.
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Would you have 50 players in the first team locker room and training sessions then? Just so nobody feels left out and hurt? Or maybe even 100? Give the U15 players a spot there as well?

If Mourinho's decided that there's not a place for him in the squad, he's got no business being in the squad. We're laughing at AC Milan for being a retirement home, yet people want us to do the same because he's a legend of the game. And that's without even mentioning that he's costing us about £10m a year in wages.

I was as excited as anyone when he signed, but based on what we saw last season, telling him to find a new club is the right thing to do if we want to challenge for the title. I can't make any sort of argument for him staying and holding down a position in the squad, considering that he was severely unfit for the entire season at 31, and now he's 32.
 
It's funny how those rumours in the media were pedalled only days after Wayne Rooney's evening meal with the Manchester press prior to the Euros.
 
Anustart89 said:
Would you have 50 players in the first team locker room and training sessions then? Just so nobody feels left out and hurt? Or maybe even 100? Give the U15 players a spot there as well?

If Mourinho's decided that there's not a place for him in the squad, he's got no business being in the squad. We're laughing at AC Milan for being a retirement home, yet people want us to do the same because he's a legend of the game. And that's without even mentioning that he's costing us about £10m a year in wages.

I was as excited as anyone when he signed, but based on what we saw last season, telling him to find a new club is the right thing to do if we want to challenge for the title. I can't make any sort of argument for him staying and holding down a position in the squad, considering that he was severely unfit for the entire season at 31, and now he's 32.
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A manager would give training session to those of the right quality to be in the first team. U15s/U21s aren't at the right level of competence.

Not sure what your point is here. Condemning an experienced player to the U21s because he was allowed to go to Germany by the old manager is mind boggling. Its not like Schweinstiger has reportedly had the same demands made to Mourinho.
 
Wade3 said:
I remember how people criticized me when we signed him and I said he was no longer in his prime and would be injured a lot of the time. Looks pretty true now.

Anyways, I'd like to keep him as a veteran option off the bench.
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It was funny because you were basically battered for saying something that was true, while they lived in a delusional world.
 
VP89 said:
A manager would give training session to those of the right quality to be in the first team. U15s/U21s aren't at the right level of competence.

Not sure what your point is here. Condemning an experienced player to the U21s because he was allowed to go to Germany by the old manager is mind boggling. Its not like Schweinstiger has reportedly had the same demands made to Mourinho.
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And Schweinsteiger has been deemed not good enough by the manager, for reasons only known to him and his staff.

Or do you believe it's your right to determine who's good enough to train with the squad and who isn't? I'd leave that decision to the manager.
 
Kag said:
It's funny how those rumours in the media were pedalled only days after Wayne Rooney's evening meal with the Manchester press prior to the Euros.
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:wenger:

Are you for real? Even if Rooney wanted to undermine his team-mate in the press, why would the evening meal have anything to do with it? He could pick up his phone and tell them whatever he wants, whenever he wants.

The constant desire some people have on here to blame Wayne Rooney for everything that goes wrong at United is bordering on mental illness...
 
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