I don't understand the large amount of hate held towards Bastian tbh. He had a poor season with a lot of injuries, anyway hope he gets better and does well elsewhere.
Bastian Schweinsteiger | Exit Speculation
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What hate?
Imagine the outrage here if Real Madrid did something like that to one of its players 
Are you for real? Even if Rooney wanted to undermine his team-mate in the press, why would the evening meal have anything to do with it? He could pick up his phone and tell them whatever he wants, whenever he wants.
The constant desire some people have on here to blame Wayne Rooney for everything that goes wrong at United is bordering on mental illness...
The evening meal with the broadsheet chief writers wasn't organised out of thin air. These meetings serve a purpose. The major one in this case was his desire to play in midfield for the national team at the Euros. They all ran with it days later. Van Gaal and Schweinsteiger were duly criticised around the same time upon the manager's sacking. I think Rooney is a canny operator and was one of a few people behind the release of these reports.
Nobody blames Rooney for everything. That's a concept you've made up in your head. You were told this yesterday when people (quite rightly) thought it would be a bit daft to buy Paul Pogba for £100 million and play him in a different position to the one he's made his name.
Imagine the outrage here if Real Madrid did something like that to one of its players
You mean like Cassilias and Raul? No they are as pearless as the come.
I think I read somewhere Basti was Van Gaal's pet, he had privileges that others didn't have, he was based on games he played also sort of smartass to his teammates constantly gesticulating how, when to pass him the ball, who to move where etc. I think he was/is not good for the team morale he didn't fit in, Mourinho knows this and that's the only reason he is isolating him, not some personal agenda.
I don't agree with it but the frustration, or disregard for him is pretty understandable. He came for a year, seemingly didn't really give it his all to begin with then spent the rest of the year injured, hanging out in Germany, rather than keeping up appearances here.
Hehe. Sure that's the way it works. Rooney decides he wants to play in a particular position, so arranges a meal with a journalist and job's a good 'un. Might as well stick the knife in Bastian and the manager while he's at it too. For shits and giggles, presumably. Do you actually believe what you just typed there?
Yeah. That was a good example of exactly the kind of insane bullshit I'm getting at. Rooney is getting stick for the manager deciding to ask another player to play out of position. Even though that player has not not been asked to play in any particular position, what with him still being on the books of another club. Fecking Rooney. He's ruining everything!
Read the thread
I like to stick to the facts; Bastian wasn´t fit most of the season and struggled with injuries. It is perfectly understandable that Mou doesn´t want him but you don´t let such a veteran clear out his locker on his birthday, that is poor. That was big in the German Media. ( not that anyone gives a shit about that ) Bastian being unprofessional ( flying to germany for fun ) is gutter press for me.
) Bastian being unprofessional ( flying to germany for fun ) is gutter press for me.I agree, think he deserves another season. Problem though is that we have two squad players that play in a similar role that are both in their twilight years; Carrick and Schweini. Evra however was poor for a good couple seasons, he'd clearly got into a rut post France fiasco and I doubt he'd have shown much improved form. He needed a new challenge and environment to reset and be the great player he can be.
That's not an answer to my question, but if you want to duck it, then so be it.
I won't be sad if he leaves , he's a great footballer but when he runs he feels like he's 50, the same with Rooney and Carrick, the less people like this, the better for us, we need to inject more energy into the team..
It is, since I was talking about the hate that I read in this thread, come on man, its not that hard
So what was the purpose of the dinner? Rooney had been replaced by Rashford in the United line up and by Kane in the England one. By his own admission, he wanted to be a midfielder and he explained to the press why he thought he could do the job. He also explained how he'd always envisioned this kind of role, ala Scholes. It's all there in print.
Rightly or wrongly, when a United and England captain goes on record like that then it puts a degree of pressure on both (out of favour) managers. It's fair to say Hodgson only decided on playing Rooney in midfield a couple of weeks before the Euros. Rooney only started playing in midfield for United because Rashford was too good to drop.
You seem to have made it up in your head that the whole world is against Wayne Rooney. It really isn't. You're entitled to your beliefs, but I'd argue it's a little naive, on the whole, to suggest that Rooney doesn't use the media as a tool to leak information and get his points across. And it wouldn't surprise me at all if he was one of the people behind the anecdotes regarding both Van Gaal and Schweinsteiger.
Utterly bizarre that his boyhood club has no qualms about letting him go and yet our fans are so enamored after a season of sporadic play.
I also hope to get a nice contract here, after all it's my boyhood club too.
So when, exactly, did this dinner happen where Rooney put pressure on his manager to start playing him in central midfield? Because Van Gaal started playing him there in mid-December and he'd already played there a number of times for Moyes. It seems utterly bizarre to me that anyone could believe he ended up playing in that position when Rashford came onto the scene because of something Rooney said to the press. When he'd already played there a bunch of times and could say the exact same stuff directly to the person that really matters. His manager.
Anyway. This thread isn't about Rooney. I'll leave it there.
Where the hell is everyone getting news of this from? Not seen anything on BBC, SSN or the Guardian other than he played for the reserves.
He needs to prove his fitness nothing wrong with making him do that with the reserves.
He needs to prove his fitness nothing wrong with making him do that with the reserves.
FFS. Is there any non Rooney related thread left on Redcafe ?
I haven't seen any hate, really, which is why I'm asking.
People are jumping on reports that José's freezing him out of the squad because there's not room for him in it. People (presumably those you claim 'hate' him) are then arguing that he doesn't deserve a spot in the squad because reports have said that he received preferential treatment over the past season, while not justifying that treatment on the pitch. It's also, according to the reports that people are referring to, been a matter of the notion that him jetting off to where-ever has had a negative impact on his rehabilitation to fitness, which is a valid concern and one that strengthens the case of him not deserving a spot in the squad.
I've seen a bit, which was the reason for my comment, I have no issue with him leaving which was also in the same comment you quoted.
We will because of how much he is paid. Which club will pay his wages?
I think you should be the one who needs to read the thread. No one is actually hate him. Some people understand why Schweinsteiger isn't in Mourinho's plan.
Could he be training with the U23's as he might feature for them in the Lancashire Senior Cup tonight? There might not be a place in the squad for Rooney's testimonial but they want him to gain some sort of match fitness and will play some part tonight.
TBH I don't really expect him to feature much under Mourinho and I've not really seen much of these reports but it's potentially press speculation for clicks.
TBH I don't really expect him to feature much under Mourinho and I've not really seen much of these reports but it's potentially press speculation for clicks.
I'm not sure Bastian deserves being treated like this but at the same time I'm not too bothered.
I am a bit confused about how he went from being out for the season to miraculously being fine for the Euros. He misses the entire end of our season without training and being around and next thing we know he pops up with the German national team? It does seem like he didn't particularly care to actually play here.
I am a bit confused about how he went from being out for the season to miraculously being fine for the Euros. He misses the entire end of our season without training and being around and next thing we know he pops up with the German national team? It does seem like he didn't particularly care to actually play here.
And then I am laughed at when I say some people have an agenda ... "oh we just critisize" they say.
Can't believe fans are taking Basti's side here. Lets get it right, what he did for his former club shouldn't come in it at all, we can only judge him based on last season, where he he half arsed it.
I'm guessing JM wants to get rid of him, Basti wants to stay and fight for his place. JM doesn't want that, so he's forcing the player out. No respect my arse, where was the respect he showed the club last season?
I'm guessing JM wants to get rid of him, Basti wants to stay and fight for his place. JM doesn't want that, so he's forcing the player out. No respect my arse, where was the respect he showed the club last season?
Is injury a sign of disrespect towards the club now? 
I thought he was pretty good last season when he was able to play. Ridiculously calm head in our scatter-brained midfield, never gave the ball away, ensured we barely conceded*.
* Except, of course, when LVG chose him to be some bizarre Ji Sung Park defensive attacking midfielder against arsenal for 20 minutes, and we got hammered.
* Except, of course, when LVG chose him to be some bizarre Ji Sung Park defensive attacking midfielder against arsenal for 20 minutes, and we got hammered.
Is injury a sign of disrespect towards the club now?
Nope, but spending more time in Munich than Manchester and being overweight at the start of the new season kind of is.
Put me in the disrespect camp if the story is true. World Cup winners deserve a bit better and he's hardly out of shape that much compared to the rest.
Seems some on here never liked him for some reason. He was the real captain on the field last season when he played and we could worse in terms of his leadership.
Seems some on here never liked him for some reason. He was the real captain on the field last season when he played and we could worse in terms of his leadership.
I support him staying and seeing out his contract, however his fitness all last season was poor and being a World cup winner doesn't mean he should be treated better than anyone else.
I'm one of them
Why does it matter if he won the World Cup? The whole Germany squad won the cup. That shouldn't matter.
This megathread is getting on my tits. Same conversation in two different threads. This one's supposed to be about his performances. Only he hasn't had any. Maybe lock the thread until after he next kicks a ball for United? Be quite funny if he was picked for the U-21s tonight...
Might very well be the case. But surely the real question here is who's responsible, ultimately, for the truly horrendous state of affairs the conspiracy theorists seemingly believe in: According to the latter Rooney does far more than promoting and protecting his image (or his brand – or whatever); he actually manipulates managers into making detrimental calls. He's a shite player who effectively forces his managers into playing him – which then brings about their downfalls (Moyes, LVG, Hodgson – and now Mourinho is next in line, having been duped or bullied himself).
So, I ask, whose fault is this? Answer: In United's case, it has to be Woodward. He's the one who keeps hiring managers who are so spineless (or clueless) that they keep shooting themselves in the foot by indulging Rooney.
Alternatively, these people genuinely rate Rooney highly. They aren't being manipulated or bullied. They don't consider Rooney a liability they simply have to endure because they're scared of his mates in the media. They actually fancy him as a player – for whatever reason.
For how long does he deserve a token spot in the squad based on winning the WC? Three years? Four? Forever?
I know that. Jose stated that but im just saying i would rather have him here so that we wouldnt be lacking numbers that would result in wazza being played there again. Anyways if sky sports are to be believed it looks like bastian will be gone. I am sure jose knows what he is doing. I have total faith in him.
So question: Is it true that Schweisteiger is in the reserves? Did Mourinho really do that?!?
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