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Haven't followed this at all, only really read the last couple of pages. Some text book wumming from scholesy and some pretty solid discussion from devilish. This thread has it all. Seems a pretty obvious case of the suits not really being happy with BFS and Jose being the fall guy who has to get rid of him but he doesn't want to go.

Ta ra, thought he was pretty poor when we needed him to step up last season.
 
It isnt surprising. He cares about Germany and had showed that many times. Does he care about us? Based on his performance on the pitch there's nothing to suggest that and for a 200k a week player that's not good enough.
I won't go into hypothetical discussions based on his body language. The simple fact is, any player would look better in the German team than in the Utd team last year simply because of how shit we were. It's not unique to BFS and if we went by that criteria, we'd be buying almost an entire new team bar DDG, Smalling, Martial and blind. Whether it be Herrera, Fellaini, Valencia or Mata, everyone looks a new player this year. It's not a coincidence.
 
Haven't followed this at all, only really read the last couple of pages. Some text book wumming from scholesy and some pretty solid discussion from devilish. This thread has it all. Seems a pretty obvious case of the suits not really being happy with BFS and Jose being the fall guy who has to get rid of him but he doesn't want to go.

Ta ra, thought he was pretty poor when we needed him to step up last season.
I am sorry but there is nothing concrete that I have found in the papers that suggests this is obvious. It is definitely a theory but not a very plausible one for sure.
 
I am sorry but there is nothing concrete that I have found in the papers that suggests this is obvious. It is definitely a theory but not a very plausible one for sure.
It is just born out of logic on what I perceive from the situation, so no need to apologize. Mainly all I really have to bring to the table on it is "LVG wanted him and had to convince the board" into "a pretty poor asset return" into "Suits to Ed to New manager to getting him to leave" into "Jose as the fall guy with dropping him" into "BFS doesn't want to go".
 
I get that most United fans don't mind Schweinsteiger gone, but ffs, the vile nonsense written in this thread is just sad. Many of you really deserve to see Fellaini and Herrera start for United in big games. It'll be awesome.

It's just the usual people who change their opinions any time their manager/club change theirs. Just two months ago no one wanted to give an extension to Carrick, I remember being literally one of few people who were for giving him an extension, but once Mourinho started using him in pre season and said couple of times that he likes him or whatever suddenly no one minds that he not only got an extension, but was in the plans to be our first choice player. Then you have example of Mhkitaryan, just month or two ago everyone thought he would be our first choice but once Mourinho started the season without him you have people arguing that not only he was never supposed to be first choice, but that he actually doesn't deserve to start the season as a first choice because he didn't prove himself yet. Imagine that argument. Then you have people who made threads and different points how good Rooney is in midfield after he had two good halves of football against shit teams, and changing their opinion immediately when Mourinho said he doesn't seee him as a midfielder.

Once you sign manager like Mourinho, you have to expect lot of people agreeing with his every decision no matter how much different opinion they had just month ago before he was signed. If he decided to give Schweinsteiger armband and make him our first choice player majority of same people who are criticising him here would support that decision too. Unfortunately, that was always going to happen, we had it same with van Gaal and his fans too.
 
I won't go into hypothetical discussions based on his body language. The simple fact is, any player would look better in the German team than in the Utd team last year simply because of how shit we were. It's not unique to BFS and if we went by that criteria, we'd be buying almost an entire new team bar DDG, Smalling, Martial and blind. Whether it be Herrera, Fellaini, Valencia or Mata, everyone looks a new player this year. It's not a coincidence.

I was referring to actual running.

However come to think of it. That’s a pretty simplistic way of seeing things. I think that there are three major players in this story ie Manchester United, Mourinho and Bastian. So let’s focus on them separately.

Manchester United: The prime accusation concerning United is that we want him out. We’ve just bought a new toy and we want to get rid of Bastian to balance the books. There again that argument is weak on two counts (actually 3-4). First of all we’re a money generating machine. This year we were able to spend 157m in 1 summer window and that despite being out of the CL. We can afford 30 Bastians if we want to. That leads us to the second point ie we’re not that type of club. Throughout decades we closed an eye to players overstaying irrespective if they were former world class legends (Keane, Robson, Giggs etc), simply legends (Fletcher, Gaz etc) or neither legend nor world class (ex Anderson).

We’re also the sort of club who pride in not messing in the ‘football’ side of things. Something, we’re popular for (the Italians call managers who work beyond the restraints of a director of football as un allenatore ala Ferguson, ie coach like SAF). Even if we suddenly decided to go against the manager’s decision and force Bastian out, then we’re doing that with the wrong manager. Mourinho was able to stand up against Moratti whose got a long history of micromanaging. He specifically added that in his contract at Inter and told Branca (ie Moratti’s best buddy) to back off. So seriously, that accusation is ridiculous

Mourinho: Which leads us to the second person in this story ie Mourinho. The accusation thrown on his part is that Bastian doesn’t fit his philosophy and was therefore pushed out of the squad. However from what we’ve seen till now as United’s manager, that’s really out of Mou’s nature. The man had given Carrick (whose legs are gone) a 1 year contract. He reassured Moyes love child Fellaini and someone many fans hate that he’s got a place in his team and he re-invented a role for him that he’s good at. Mou did the same with LVG’s other lovechild Blind by sticking to LVG’s philosophy of playing him as CB. Not to forget that not only he kept Mata (a player he had previously kicked out of a club) but he’s playing him as a first teamer and ahead of his new signing Mkhitaryan. Why would someone who went to such great extent to accommodate everybody, single out Bastian? That doesn’t make sense

Bastian: Which leads us to the third part of our story ie Bastian. In the past 5 years the club Bastian played in clubs who constantly added CMs in their team. In 2013-2014 Bayern signed Thiago and Kirchhoff. In 2014-2015 they brought Alonso and Rode. In 2015-2016 they brought Vidal and Kimmich which possibly triggered Bastian’s reluctance to stay there and move to our team and this summer United went big by turning Pogba into a record buy. That doesn’t look like a vote of confidence on the player’s current capabilities doesn’t it? His controversial move to our reserves has caused a shock throughout the world especially in the Bayern’s camp and yet, till the time of writing, Bayern has yet to bid for him. That despite he’s still being'rated' as a top quality player by them and such deal would be pretty easy to make (he’s on the transfer list).

His performances with Manchester United are open to everyone’s interpretation. Some may think he did relatively well while others think he somehow lacked the fighting spirit of old. However you must admit that him vanishing into the treatment room for a crucial part of our season only to return for Germany and play the best football he ever played throughout the season is somehow a bit controversial especially since he spent most of his treatment watching his gf play tennis. Maybe that's the reason why United has acted so tough on him?
 
I was referring to actual running.

However come to think of it. That’s a pretty simplistic way of seeing things. I think that there are three major players in this story ie Manchester United, Mourinho and Bastian. So let’s focus on them separately.

Manchester United: The prime accusation concerning United is that we want him out. We’ve just bought a new toy and we want to get rid of Bastian to balance the books. There again that argument is weak on two counts (actually 3-4). First of all we’re a money generating machine. This year we were able to spend 157m in 1 summer window and that despite being out of the CL. We can afford 30 Bastians if we want to. That leads us to the second point ie we’re not that type of club. Throughout decades we closed an eye to players overstaying irrespective if they were former world class legends (Keane, Robson, Giggs etc), simply legends (Fletcher, Gaz etc) or neither legend nor world class (ex Anderson).

We’re also the sort of club who pride in not messing in the ‘football’ side of things. Something, we’re popular for (the Italians call managers who work beyond the restraints of a director of football as un allenatore ala Ferguson, ie coach like SAF). Even if we suddenly decided to go against the manager’s decision and force Bastian out, then we’re doing that with the wrong manager. Mourinho was able to stand up against Moratti whose got a long history of micromanaging. He specifically added that in his contract at Inter and told Branca (ie Moratti’s best buddy) to back off. So seriously, that accusation is ridiculous

Mourinho: Which leads us to the second person in this story ie Mourinho. The accusation thrown on his part is that Bastian doesn’t fit his philosophy and was therefore pushed out of the squad. However from what we’ve seen till now as United’s manager, that’s really out of Mou’s nature. The man had given Carrick (whose legs are gone) a 1 year contract. He reassured Moyes love child Fellaini and someone many fans hate that he’s got a place in his team and he re-invented a role for him that he’s good at. Mou did the same with LVG’s other lovechild Blind by sticking to LVG’s philosophy of playing him as CB. Not to forget that not only he kept Mata (a player he had previously kicked out of a club) but he’s playing him as a first teamer and ahead of his new signing Mkhitaryan. Why would someone who went to such great extent to accommodate everybody, single out Bastian? That doesn’t make sense

Bastian: Which leads us to the third part of our story ie Bastian. In the past 5 years the club Bastian played in clubs who constantly added CMs in their team. In 2013-2014 Bayern signed Thiago and Kirchhoff. In 2014-2015 they brought Alonso and Rode. In 2015-2016 they brought Vidal and Kimmich which possibly triggered Bastian’s reluctance to stay there and move to our team and this summer United went big by turning Pogba into a record buy. That doesn’t look like a vote of confidence on the player’s current capabilities doesn’t it? His controversial move to our reserves has caused a shock throughout the world especially in the Bayern’s camp and yet, till the time of writing, Bayern has yet to bid for him. That despite he’s still being'rated' as a top quality player by them and such deal would be pretty easy to make (he’s on the transfer list).

His performances with Manchester United are open to everyone’s interpretation. Some may think he did relatively well while others think he somehow lacked the fighting spirit of old. However you must admit that him vanishing into the treatment room for a crucial part of our season only to return for Germany and play the best football he ever played throughout the season is somehow a bit controversial especially since he spent most of his treatment watching his gf play tennis. Maybe that's the reason why United has acted so tough on him?

He's not in Mourinho's plans.

My interest in the situation ends with those 5 words.

His wages, his performances with Germany, his fitness, his social media image, his legendary status in the game, his beautiful wife and him travelling with her etc etc etc doesn't concern me one bit. It's Mourinho's team now and he doesn't want him. End of story. He can stay on and pocket the wage he's entitled to, move to the MLS or retire, I don't care.
 
He's not in Mourinho's plans.

My interest in the situation ends with those 5 words.

His wages, his performances with Germany, his fitness, his social media image, his legendary status in the game, his beautiful wife and him travelling with her etc etc etc doesn't concern me one bit. It's Mourinho's team now and he doesn't want him. End of story. He can stay on and pocket the wage he's entitled to, move to the MLS or retire, I don't care.

This thread is getting worse and worse.
 
The obsession with a player who's done absolutely nothing for us is staggering. The only ones bothered are the Bayern contingent (and really its none of their fecking business), the Bastian fanboys (the BFS brigade as I like to call them) and the anti Mourinho posters who are just plain sad.

We have 5 better CM's at the club so Mourinho decides to get rid. It's a complete non story.
 
Fergie was a ruthless feck at times in his early years but since it's Jose it is spun a diffrent way because he's a tad controversial. It's what created the aura/legend of the hairdryer etc.. it is what people remember in 50 years time.

In war there is always causalities.. Bastian has made an absolute fortune out of this club and has had an amazing career few players have had.. he can't complain. Leave gracefully, man !
 
The obsession with a player who's done absolutely nothing for us is staggering. The only ones bothered are the Bayern contingent (and really its none of their fecking business), the Bastian fanboys (the BFS brigade as I like to call them) and the anti Mourinho posters who are just plain sad.

We have 5 better CM's at the club so Mourinho decides to get rid. It's a complete non story.
I coined the term and I'm proud of it :drool:. Don't really care whether he stays or leaves though given he's clearly not going to play. That's why some of the posts in this thread are weird for me.
 
I was referring to actual running.

However come to think of it. That’s a pretty simplistic way of seeing things. I think that there are three major players in this story ie Manchester United, Mourinho and Bastian. So let’s focus on them separately.

Manchester United: The prime accusation concerning United is that we want him out. We’ve just bought a new toy and we want to get rid of Bastian to balance the books. There again that argument is weak on two counts (actually 3-4). First of all we’re a money generating machine. This year we were able to spend 157m in 1 summer window and that despite being out of the CL. We can afford 30 Bastians if we want to. That leads us to the second point ie we’re not that type of club. Throughout decades we closed an eye to players overstaying irrespective if they were former world class legends (Keane, Robson, Giggs etc), simply legends (Fletcher, Gaz etc) or neither legend nor world class (ex Anderson).

We’re also the sort of club who pride in not messing in the ‘football’ side of things. Something, we’re popular for (the Italians call managers who work beyond the restraints of a director of football as un allenatore ala Ferguson, ie coach like SAF). Even if we suddenly decided to go against the manager’s decision and force Bastian out, then we’re doing that with the wrong manager. Mourinho was able to stand up against Moratti whose got a long history of micromanaging. He specifically added that in his contract at Inter and told Branca (ie Moratti’s best buddy) to back off. So seriously, that accusation is ridiculous

Mourinho: Which leads us to the second person in this story ie Mourinho. The accusation thrown on his part is that Bastian doesn’t fit his philosophy and was therefore pushed out of the squad. However from what we’ve seen till now as United’s manager, that’s really out of Mou’s nature. The man had given Carrick (whose legs are gone) a 1 year contract. He reassured Moyes love child Fellaini and someone many fans hate that he’s got a place in his team and he re-invented a role for him that he’s good at. Mou did the same with LVG’s other lovechild Blind by sticking to LVG’s philosophy of playing him as CB. Not to forget that not only he kept Mata (a player he had previously kicked out of a club) but he’s playing him as a first teamer and ahead of his new signing Mkhitaryan. Why would someone who went to such great extent to accommodate everybody, single out Bastian? That doesn’t make sense

Bastian: Which leads us to the third part of our story ie Bastian. In the past 5 years the club Bastian played in clubs who constantly added CMs in their team. In 2013-2014 Bayern signed Thiago and Kirchhoff. In 2014-2015 they brought Alonso and Rode. In 2015-2016 they brought Vidal and Kimmich which possibly triggered Bastian’s reluctance to stay there and move to our team and this summer United went big by turning Pogba into a record buy. That doesn’t look like a vote of confidence on the player’s current capabilities doesn’t it? His controversial move to our reserves has caused a shock throughout the world especially in the Bayern’s camp and yet, till the time of writing, Bayern has yet to bid for him. That despite he’s still being'rated' as a top quality player by them and such deal would be pretty easy to make (he’s on the transfer list).

His performances with Manchester United are open to everyone’s interpretation. Some may think he did relatively well while others think he somehow lacked the fighting spirit of old. However you must admit that him vanishing into the treatment room for a crucial part of our season only to return for Germany and play the best football he ever played throughout the season is somehow a bit controversial especially since he spent most of his treatment watching his gf play tennis. Maybe that's the reason why United has acted so tough on him?
Great post again.

Just like to add another on Mourinho.

At Madrid he went out of his way to get rid of Valdano and had multiple problems with Emanalo at Chelsea. Jose requires control and there is simply no way he would allow United to force him to sideline a player.

This is his decision and probably has little to do with money. Its simply a world class manager with a streak of ruthlessness and hellbent on winning deciding that an unfit,underperforming player is simply not fit for purpose.
 
Great post again.

Just like to add another on Mourinho.

At Madrid he went out of his way to get rid of Valdano and had multiple problems with Emanalo at Chelsea. Jose requires control and there is simply no way he would allow United to force him to sideline a player.

This is his decision and probably has little to do with money. Its simply a world class manager with a streak of ruthlessness and hellbent on winning deciding that an unfit,underperforming player is simply not fit for purpose.

Well, I have to disagree with that. If fitness or performance were the issue than other players would have left as well. As explained before salary isn't the issue either. So what went wrong? Why does he stands out while other players like Carrick, Depay or Fellaini were able to get away with it?

In my opinion it must be Bastian's attitude. As said in many many occasions, top management is a niche market and most people in it would probably know each other well. Mou has been in the EPL for years now and since he wanted to remain in the EPL following his Chelsea's incident he must have followed the clubs that he could potentially sign with very closely. That means strengthening bridges with former colleagues and friends including SAF & the staff whose still loyal to him (ex Nicky Butt, Joyce etc) and LVG and his men (Mou was LVG's former employee after all).

Ultimately people talk. When I was still an active member of a specific supporters club, people who had friends within the club used to pass comments about Lumsden. No one within the club knew what his role was with us and why he used to spend hours locked inside Moyes office. These people were able to get that information despite being merely fans, friends of former players and coaches. Imagine how easier it is for Mourinho whose been in the EPL for years and who was tipped to become our next manager to get access to what was going on at OT especially since he was LVG's former employee himself. Surely no one would deny him free advice especially since this guy could easily become their boss in few months time.

So Mou asks lets say Butt about whom, in his opinion, is slacking and he gives him Bastian's name. He then ask one of LVG's men and he gives him the same name and he keeps receiving that same feedback all over again. What do you think he would do once he becomes manager?
 
Well, I have to disagree with that. If fitness or performance were the issue than other players would have left as well. As explained before salary isn't the issue either. So what went wrong? Why does he stands out while other players like Carrick, Depay or Fellaini were able to get away with it?

Apart from Jones and also Shaw who got an unlucky incident, Schweinsteiger is our most injury prone player last season. He wasn't even fit enough to start the season last season. So his fitness was clearly worst compare to any of our midfielder.
Performance, he couldn't do much because of an injury and unlike our fans who think he always play well every time he plays, I'm sorry he wasn't that good either and just like any other players he was inconsistent. The games against Arsenal and Wolfsburg showed that he doesn't have the leg to support himself. He did very well against Liverpool but Carrick also did very well against Liverpool so Schweinsteiger isn't the only exception midfielder in that game.

Schweinsteiger is a box to box not a deeplying midfielder, not a no6 or defensive midfielder. Even if we force him to play in that role, his defending isn't suitable in Jose's plan, Schweinsteiger won't be able to do the task that the way how Jose used Fellaini for that role in these last three games. He's not fit enough anymore to play in Pogba's role either. I don't know why is it so hard to understand this especially after watching our last three games I expect everyone to understand why Schweinsteiger is just not in Jose's plan.
The same thing happened why Pep was willing to let him go for cheap and keeping Alonso in the team.
 
I get that most United fans don't mind Schweinsteiger gone, but ffs, the vile nonsense written in this thread is just sad. Many of you really deserve to see Fellaini and Herrera start for United in big games. It'll be awesome.


Rather them than Schweinsteiger, considering they are currently better than him.

I suspect Pogba might start one or two games though.
 
I don't know what do you mean by 29. But if it's about age, he's actually 32 years old! There is a reason why Pep picks Alonso for that role. There is also a reason why Jose picks Carrick for that role. They are older but they have better fitness. I don't think going to watch tennis will be a helpful to guide our youngster too, you don't see De Gea often leaves Manchester to watch his girlfriend's show.
What? No 29 was a random number showing we could afford a tonne of Schweini's sitting on the bench because we're so rich. And Bayern were reluctant to let Schweini leave for a reason, it was the player who wanted to leave for United only. He doesn't regularly go and watch tennis throughout the season, what on earth are you on about. The only time I've seen him do so is when injured or during Wimbledon in the summer.

Your post was rather weird...
 
It is just pulled out of thin air based on what I have decided to believe/make-up about the situation, so no need to apologize. Mainly all I really have to bring to the table on it is "LVG wanted him and had to convince the board" into "a pretty poor asset return" into "Suits to Ed to New manager to getting him to leave" into "Jose as the fall guy with dropping him" into "BFS doesn't want to go".
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What? No 29 was a random number showing we could afford a tonne of Schweini's sitting on the bench because we're so rich. And Bayern were reluctant to let Schweini leave for a reason, it was the player who wanted to leave for United only. He doesn't regularly go and watch tennis throughout the season, what on earth are you on about. The only time I've seen him do so is when injured or during Wimbledon in the summer.

I thought so, that no 29 was just a random number. But I will say it's a bid deluded if you think we can afford to pay 200k per week on 29 players each with an injury prone and poor fitness. That's like we spend £10.4m per year just for a single player.
Well I never say he does regularly watch but did De Gea ever watched of his gf show even just once apart during the break and holiday? To be honest going oversea and watch tennis isn't a big issue, schweinsteiger has already a bigger issue than this one, this one is just a small thing from the issue.
Oh well, you just said it that you saw him watching tennis when injured, well he was injured most of the times last season so he did spend a lot going oversea to watch tennis.

Your post was rather weird...

I wouldn't say that if I were you mate. Especially coming from someone who said that we could afford 29 Schweinsteiger and thinks that 200k per week is very suitable to a player who spent his time with his injury. That will be £309.6m per year that we are going to spend just for player's wages.

My post is actually telling everything that has happened so far. I don't know why do you think it's weird.
 
I thought so, that no 29 was just a random number. But I will say it's a bid deluded if you think we can afford to pay 200k per week on 29 players each with an injury prone and poor fitness. That's like we spend £10.4m per year just for a single player.
Well I never say he does regularly watch but did De Gea ever watched of his gf show even just once apart during the break and holiday? To be honest going oversea and watch tennis isn't a big issue, schweinsteiger has already a bigger issue than this one, this one is just a small thing from the issue.
Oh well, you just said it that you saw him watching tennis when injured, well he was injured most of the times last season so he did spend a lot going oversea to watch tennis.



I wouldn't say that if I were you mate. Especially coming from someone who said that we could afford 29 Schweinsteiger and thinks that 200k per week is very suitable to a player who spent his time with his injury. That will be £309.6m per year that we are going to spend just for player's wages.

My post is actually telling everything that has happened so far. I don't know why do you think it's weird.
Jesus Christ, do you know what exaggeration is? Obviously we can't afford 29 Schweini wage bills, I was using that to demonstrate how rich United are and how little another year of having Schweinsteiger on the books would mean to us.

I called it weird because you're bringing up weird topics. Why, in any way, is Schweini going to watch his girlfriend play tennis in his spare time relevant to whether we should keep him here or not? How do you know if De Gea doesn't watch his girlfriends shows? He certainly goes over to Madrid to see her.

When fit, Schweinsteiger will be in training and around the club every day. He won't be given leave to swan off to watch his girlfriend play tennis or whatever you're on about, meaning he'll have more than enough time to help the youngsters and provide an experienced head to the squad.
 
Jesus Christ, do you know what exaggeration is? Obviously we can't afford 29 Schweini wage bills, I was using that to demonstrate how rich United are and how little another year of having Schweinsteiger on the books would mean to us.

This is why I am confused why did you even called my post weird when you are the one who's been saying the weird stuff. So wasting £10m per year to someone who won't fit with the manager's system would mean a little to us? No matter how rich we are, remember that the club also has a limit to make money. It's not like we can splash any money to everything who isn't even worthy.

I called it weird because you're bringing up weird topics. Why, in any way, is Schweini going to watch his girlfriend play tennis in his spare time relevant to whether we should keep him here or not? How do you know if De Gea doesn't watch his girlfriends shows? He certainly goes over to Madrid to see her.

You didn't read my whole sentence at all. You were hoping us paying 200k per week to Schweinsteiger to guide the youngster. He spent his time with injuries so how is he able to guide the youngster in training ground? How is he able to guide the youngster off the pitch if he spent most of his injury time going to oversea like US and etc to watch tennis? I'm just saying this as an irony that you think £200k is worthy for that role. Funny thing is, we are currently spending that money to Schweinsteiger for that role in U23.

Huh, sounds like you think you know De Gea, but the truth is actually the other way around, it was his girlfriend who is the one goes to Manchester so many times to watch and visit De Gea.

When fit, Schweinsteiger will be in training and around the club every day. He won't be given leave to swan off to watch his girlfriend play tennis or whatever you're on about, meaning he'll have more than enough time to help the youngsters and provide an experienced head to the squad.
When fit, but how often? Exactly!!
 
This is why I am confused why did you even called my post weird when you are the one who's been saying the weird stuff. So wasting £10m per year to someone who won't fit with the manager's system would mean a little to us? No matter how rich we are, remember that the club also has a limit to make money. It's not like we can splash any money to everything who isn't even worthy.
I'm not saying it'd be worth £200k a week to have him guide the youngsters, but it'd be perfectly acceptable if we kept him here to do that. United can easily, easily afford it if they want.

You didn't read my whole sentence at all. You were hoping us paying 200k per week to Schweinsteiger to guide the youngster. He spent his time with injuries so how is he able to guide the youngster in training ground? How is he able to guide the youngster off the pitch if he spent most of his injury time going to oversea like US and etc to watch tennis? I'm just saying this as an irony that you think £200k is worthy for that role. Funny thing is, we are currently spending that money to Schweinsteiger for that role in U23.
Again, Schweini won't be going over to the US much to watch tennis during the season. I think he's done it once or twice whilst injured, but I may be wrong. The pictures you see of him are during the summer.

Huh, sounds like you think you know De Gea, but the truth is actually the other way around, it was his girlfriend who is the one goes to Manchester so many times to watch and visit De Gea.
De Gea was in Spain this summer seeing his girlfriend and with a few of his mates. Just like Schweini does during the summer to watch his girlfriend. Neither player will travel abroad much if at all during the season.

Ultimately that money is none of our concern. What is of our concern is that the young players develop quickly and efficiently and what better mentors to have than Ibra, Rooney and Schweinsteiger.

For the record, I wouldn't be arsed if he left. I just think it might be productive for the club if he had one more fit season here.
 
I'm not saying it'd be worth £200k a week to have him guide the youngsters, but it'd be perfectly acceptable if we kept him here to do that. United can easily, easily afford it if they want.

Firstly, being perfectly acceptable means you completely agree that it's fine to spend £200k for just doing that and it's not like he can stay fit to do it as well. You make it sound like it's fine for the club to waste that £200k per week. They might should have just give the fans a free ticket instead of splashing money like that for nothing. Our money isn't infinite mate.

Again, Schweini won't be going over to the US much to watch tennis during the season. I think he's done it once or twice whilst injured, but I may be wrong. The pictures you see of him are during the summer.


De Gea was in Spain this summer seeing his girlfriend and with a few of his mates. Just like Schweini does during the summer to watch his girlfriend. Neither player will travel abroad much if at all during the season.

Summer? Summer break? Ffs I already said apart from break or holiday mate.


Ultimately that money is none of our concern. What is of our concern is that the young players develop quickly and efficiently and what better mentors to have than Ibra, Rooney and Schweinsteiger.

For the record, I wouldn't be arsed if he left. I just think it might be productive for the club if he had one more fit season here.

You said it yourself that you personally think we should keep him and there is no reason we shouldn't and now you just can't be arsed anymore if he left? :lol:

Well it's not like I'm blaming him for being an injury prone and poor fitness and enjoy the money by doing nothing but I expected people should understand why Jose doesn't fancy him in his plan. Can't expect that Schweinsteiger is able to do the same job as what Jose gave to Fellaini as a no 6. I also can't see his leg and fitness to be able to do what Pogba does either. So the best thing for both club and player is that he leaves so he can play games and we can use that £200k per week for something better.
 
Basti is a class act and a total legend in my view. Whether he plays for Man Utd, Bayern or LA Galaxy I will remain a fan of his.

It's all these comments from others about how unfairly he's being treated that actually reflect poorly on him.
 
It's just the usual people who change their opinions any time their manager/club change theirs. Just two months ago no one wanted to give an extension to Carrick, I remember being literally one of few people who were for giving him an extension, but once Mourinho started using him in pre season and said couple of times that he likes him or whatever suddenly no one minds that he not only got an extension, but was in the plans to be our first choice player. Then you have example of Mhkitaryan, just month or two ago everyone thought he would be our first choice but once Mourinho started the season without him you have people arguing that not only he was never supposed to be first choice, but that he actually doesn't deserve to start the season as a first choice because he didn't prove himself yet. Imagine that argument. Then you have people who made threads and different points how good Rooney is in midfield after he had two good halves of football against shit teams, and changing their opinion immediately when Mourinho said he doesn't seee him as a midfielder.

Once you sign manager like Mourinho, you have to expect lot of people agreeing with his every decision no matter how much different opinion they had just month ago before he was signed. If he decided to give Schweinsteiger armband and make him our first choice player majority of same people who are criticising him here would support that decision too. Unfortunately, that was always going to happen, we had it same with van Gaal and his fans too.

I did. Carrick has been my favorite outfield player over the last 3 seasons (combination of the 3 season not best every year). Not as good last year as the season before but he still deserves a new deal.

When all is said and done though the squad should be up to the manager. He is the one who lives and dies by the results so he should get to play with the players he wants. If he had let Carrick go I would have accepted that.

I am not the biggest fan of Jose I can see the red flags that have raised in his career up to date but he's the incumbent manager at Man Utd and if I want Man Utd to be successful over the short term I have to back him. Even though I am not his biggest fan I hope he is here for the long term because that would mean that United have had long term success.

Therefore if he is throwing Bastian under a bus that's up to him. If he gave him the armband that's up to him. For then next 18 months at least he deserves complete control. After that look at where he has got the team and evaluate.
 
Basti is a class act and a total legend in my view. Whether he plays for Man Utd, Bayern or LA Galaxy I will remain a fan of his.

It's all these comments from others about how unfairly he's being treated that actually reflect poorly on him.
I would love to be treated that unfairly, £200k a week for keeping myself fit and not playing a single game. When Jose made it clear to him that he would not feature he had a choice, leave or train with the under 23's. He could leave if he wanted but chooses to train with the under 23's.

How is that treating him unfairly.
 
Basti is a class act and a total legend in my view. Whether he plays for Man Utd, Bayern or LA Galaxy I will remain a fan of his.

It's all these comments from others about how unfairly he's being treated that actually reflect poorly on him.
Yeah Bastian hasn't P'd me off about this situation, Bayern have.
 
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